["I am the Lord your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt,..........."]

 Leviticus 26:13.  "I am the Lord your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt,..........."


  Leviticus 26:23.  And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me;
 24.  Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins.


 Hebrews 9:1.  Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
 2.  For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.
 3.  And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
 4.  Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
 5.  And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.
 6.  Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
 7.  But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
 8.  The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
 9.  Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
 10.  Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
 11.  But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
 12.  Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.


Some reformation rumblings from God's word.

Hmmmmm.

My sentiments exactly!

"And by this we may be sure that we know him, if we keep his commandments."  I John 2:1-3"

What does it mean to "keep His commandments"? Looks as if this requires some action on the part of man. It means repenting of lying, fornicating, all sinning. Grace is not license to sin. One must maintain him/herself in Christ. The Holy Spirits sword is there to cut deep into the hearts the will of God for His people.

If christians see acts of sin in public places, they are not required to challange these sins but withdraw from them, have no part of them, and that place. Christians are a group called out of the world and are not to be a part of the sinful world. To start a ruckus over sinful public acts would be putting oneself on the same level as the sinners.

A Christian walk's by a religious building and reads a sign saying, "Welcome To Our United Segregated Group" Our services are held up twice weelly by pastor Shyster called a gift offering to avoid rendering unto Cesar. All doctrinal bible studies will be privately interpreted by our head office to avoid personal discreation. Mrs. Backslid will be singing, "I Wonce Was Saved But Now On Probation" while quire hums "Paid In Full" Healing services may be postponed due to illness. So be paying for unity and indoctrinate other labeled groups.Signed; The labeled self righteous group of law and grace in your hometown.

You ommited the hotdog and chili lunch served right after closing prayer.

 1 Corinthians 15:58.  Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

Ollie-

You know very well that this isn't what the early church meant when it relied on apostolic succession.  You can deny it all you want, but history belies your contention.

To which early church are you refering? Deny what? Secular history? I donot deny the schisms and divisions and unrightly dividing the truth of the early churches when man in and of himself wanted to twist the truth and work for his own power agendas. Paul said it would happen and was starting even in his time.

Secular history is not of God!

It's a shame you missed the fact that the drawing of lots was not good enough, and that Paul obviously took his place.  He did after all write 2/3's of the NT.

Share this knowledge. Maybe all have missed it. Where is the book, chapter, and verse that says Paul took Judas' place as an apostle?  Act 1 says the lot fell to Matthias to be numbered with the 11 and take the number of apostles back to 12.
Does the percentage amount of authorship of the Bible really tell us that Paul took Judas' place? Is this not personal opinion?

[And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3. But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.]

posted by smatinez as reply #6, Was Not Adam decieved?

Wasn't that same commandment given to Eve? She knew about it:

The nscripture is silent, in that there is nothingm said about God, explicitly giving her the same command.  If the scriopture is true, concerning Adam being her head ( 1 Cor 11:3)

Genesis-
2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "

It appears to me Adam, never conveyed to her, exactly what God had commanded him not to do, concerning the fruit of  the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.  his is a common thing, husbands fail to lead their wives and families, in spiritual matters.

Then she, TOO, transgressed willingly, didn't she? They were either both deceived (Eve by the serpent, Adam by Eve) or they both transgressed knowingly and willingly, no?

If she was deceived, and the scripture seems to confirm this, then her sin is one of ignorance.

Paul seems to indicate a lesser role for the female based on the fact that Adam was not deceived but he was, wasn't he? If not, then neither was Eve, was she?

I'm sincerely trying to figure this one out...

-Samson

Adam was judged also, for "hearkening unto the voice of his wife, instead of God's. It was a willing disobedience to the command of God.

The woman was judged at Gen 3:16, after claiming to have been beguiled by the serpent.

So, it isn't Paul who "indicated a lesser role" for the woman, he simply makes the point, the man was not decived while the woman was.

Petro

Genesis 3:1.  Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
 2.  And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
 3.  But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

[The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam (refering to Jesus) was made a life giving spirit.]

Adam was not deceived because God gave him this commandment;

"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."  Gen 2:17


So if Adfam was not deceived, then he trangressed the commandment knowingly and willingly.

The result is stated in Romans 5;

12  Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam (refering to Jesus) was made a life giving spirit.  1 Cor 15:45


Petro

Very true.

There was no deception, but transgression. Adam knew full well what God had commanded and the consequences but he chose to disobey. And sin entered the world.

The verse quoted says Eve was the one deceived, Then she transgressed.
The deception:?
 
" Genesis 3:4.  And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
 5.  For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
 6.  And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."

[Revelation 22:14. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.]

 Ollie: Scripture teaches that we are saved thru faith (Eph.2: alone. It also teaches that faith which is without works or righteousness is not a real faith (James). Scripture never teaches that our works or our personal goodness save
us. They DO teach that if those things do not accompany faith then the faith is not genuine.

Revelation 22:14.  Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

[And such were some of you:]

Anyone who pratices sin as a matter of everyday living, whether it be homosexuality or lieing, stealing, coveting, even one who lusts after a woman by watching sexy movies, magazines or other media, reveals himself to be someone other who he claims to be.

The Apostle writes this;

1 Cor 6
9  Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10  Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11  And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Note the words of verse 11, "SUCH WERE SOME OF YOU", they use to practice these things but,  not after being washed, sanctified, justified in the name of Jesus by the Spirit of God.

So, any active sinner involved in the practice of sinning regularly denys the very word of God, whom he claims to believe in , this plain frfom this scripture, we all practiced sin without regard to Gods commandments, but the willingness to practice contrary to Gods commends shows that we may not be whom, we claim to be.

As for faith in Jesus, anyone can claim to believe in Him, the proof of whether one does or does not  keep Jesus words, if one can't keep the commandments of God ..neither..will he keep the commandments of Jesus.

Petro

Are you saying one must not only believe, but also do?

Hi,
it sounds like a NO BRAINER question, huh?  

Sure does and is.

There are those with ears that cannot hear and eyes that do not see. Once in awhile the no brainer has to be forthwith again praying that some may see and hear at last the light that is Jesus Christ.

[he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:]

The Everlasting Kingdom begins, in the Temporal world, upon the return of Jesus to earth, Job said;

Job 19
25  For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

That day begins in a literal day, and last one thousand years on the earth, when Jersus shall be "King over all the Earth", according to the prophet Daniel.

Furthermore, the new heaven and new earth, are created after the first heaven and first earth pass away (Rev 21:2)

The saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever. (Dan 7:18)

The saints do not go up to heaven to take possession of the kingdom, according to Daniel, it occurs here on the earth. Note that the Ancient of Days comes to the earth according to verse 22 thru 27, and judgement is given to the saints,  the kingdom under the whole heaven spoken of herein, is on the earth vs 27.

Jesus, spoke of this clearly in Mat 24..

No sense in being confused about this matter, it is clear, the kingdom established on the earth is the everlasting kingdom, which Jesus takes back, upon His second comming.

He shall create the new heavens and earth, after He has destroyed the last enemy death.

For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. (1 Cor 15:25-28)

It is hard to believe this, I know, but,  there it is  "written that you might believe"

God Bless

Petro

 1 Corinthians 15:50.  Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Thanks.

Ollie

[It boggles my mind that the same words I can understand so clearly, seem to blind and confuse so many!]

     It boggles my mind that the same words I can understand so clearly, seem to blind and confuse so many!

    You made your case blackeyedpeas, some refuse to believe the Gospel as written. They almost seem to perfer Moses and the Law than Jesus and Grace. I wonder if they have ever had a hotdog? The Apostle Paul would eat a hotdog, if it took that to get you to listen to the gospel with a teachable spirit.

                                                              Paul2

                                                       

Oklahoma Howdy to Paul2,

It is a real shame to ignore and deny the Gospel of God's Grace. The joy of serving our Lord and Saviour is in HIS LOVE AND GRACE, not the law. Some would say that we "Gospel of God's Grace" types live in darkness and sin, but the opposite is true. Some would also say that we do nothing for God because of our beliefs, but the opposite is also true. We are FREE to do as much as we wish, and it is all done from a grateful heart instead of fear.

In fact, HIS GRACE AND LOVE is the only GOSPEL. Thanks be unto God for HIS unspeakable GIFT.

In Christ,

Tom

The perfect law of liberty, not the law given to Moses.

In this perfect law of liberty one must be a doer of the word.
He will be blessed in his deeds.


James 1: 22.  But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
 23.  For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
 24.  For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
 25.  But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

This was addressed to Jame's brethren, the twelve tribes, scattered abroad. It can be infered from this that James is addressing brethren in Christ. Those that have already come to Christ in faith and are such as should be saved.

James 1:1.  James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
 2.  My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;

James is admonishing them to be not hearers of the word only, but doers. It is continuing in the perfect law of liberty.

[That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.]

The homosexuals in the episcopal church that want to be bishops in that organization appear to believe in Jesus Christ?
Are they saved? Is their faith alone enough for righteousness to salvation? Or is righteous living in faith necessary?


 Romans 10:3.  For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
 4.  For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
 5.  For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
 6.  But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
 7.  Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
 8.  But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
 9.  That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
 10.  For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
 11.  For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


 1 Peter 21.  For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ als:o suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
 22.  Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
 23.  Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
 24.  Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.