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1  Theology / Completed and Favorite Threads / Re:Am I Going to Heaven ? on: November 02, 2004, 07:08:22 AM
I do not deny that it is faith, through the blood of Christ, which saves us.  I do not believe that anything I do will even begin to repay that gift; and it is a gift.  I do not say anyone should do as I do.  In fact I do not do as I wish to do many times any single day.

But as part of my faith I try to help others not as repayment, but it is what I believe Christ wanted of us.  

That still leaves me asking what that scripture meant.  That is irrelevant I will work on that on my own.
2  Theology / General Theology / Re:Just a couple of questions on: November 01, 2004, 08:56:11 PM
Yes on the first question I think that fits.

On the second part I of the second I think you are also correct.  Though I find that hard to live with.  

I would like to Know the times that God justifies War.  I wonder if our current War fits that criteria.  How dose one know?  There are many human arguments, but are they Gods?  

By the way I was in the military for 8 years.  And I am well out of its call now.  In the First Gulf war I was trolling around the bottem of the Atlantiic.  So I do not oppose the war.  I am just wondering if I should.

Anyway thank you for your help.
3  Theology / Completed and Favorite Threads / Re:Am I Going to Heaven ? on: November 01, 2004, 02:09:29 PM

Are you truly calling me a servant of Satan?  Or are you saying that the scripture is Satan’s work.  Or are you saying that I am being tricked by Satan?

I will choose to believe that you meant the third as it allows us both the most grace.

First I apologize for the scripture from Revelations as it was a side track caused by my poor memory of the scripture.  I however thought it was an interesting side note and left it.  I realize now that it probably caused confusion.

Second.  You seem to assume that I disagree with you that Christ is the only way into heaven.  I do not.  Though I strive for good in all things I have only to look in my heart to know that I have not achieved it.  I can not even say, despite my best efforts, that my actions always reflect what is good.  So know for your comfort that I do accept Christ as my savior, I do believe that he died on the cross to save all who come to him from the cost of their sins.  He is the son of God.  He did rise again and go to heaven to prepare our new home.  He has also sent to us the spirit of truth, the advocate, that we might find the truth.

What I intended to ask was this.  In light of our shared faith what does this scripture mean?

When the son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory.  All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, and he will put the sheep at his right hand and the goats at the left.  Then the king will say to those at his right hand, ‘Come, you that are blessed by my father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.’  Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry and gave you food, or thirsty and gave you something to drink?  And when was it that we saw you a stranger and welcomed you, or naked and gave you clothing?  And when was it that we saw you sick or in prison and visited you?’  And the king will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, just as you did it to the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me.’  Then he will say to those at his left hand, ‘You that are accursed depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’  Then they will also answer, ‘Lord when was it that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not take care of you?’  Then he will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’  And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Matthew 25:31 – 26:

Since you did not answer me I will venture one of my own.

Faith has saved us from our sins.  Because we have faith in Christ we must strive to do as he commanded.  If we do not then we do not have faith.  We are instead trying to cover our bases.

There should be scriptures to cover this but I can not find them at the moment.  So perhaps I have made it up.  But I do not think so.  For now I am posting this to see if you all think I am on the right track.  Or perhaps I have made yet another wrong turn.
4  Theology / Completed and Favorite Threads / Re:Am I Going to Heaven ? on: November 01, 2004, 04:03:39 AM
What dose this mean?

Revelations 20:11 - 20:12
Then I saw a great white throne and the one who sat on it; the earth and the heaven fled from his presence, and no place was found for them.  And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened.  Also another book was opened , the book of life.  And the dead were judged  according to there works, as recorded in the books.

That is not what I was looking for though it is interesting. But it is from the second death.  If you belive you will be part of the first resurection right?

Ahh Mathhew 25:32 - 25:46 Decided not to type though.

5  Theology / General Theology / Just a couple of questions on: November 01, 2004, 02:52:29 AM
Hello all,

I have recently been reading the New Testament.  Actually reading the bible is a new experience for me.  Someone has always read it at me and told me what it means, or simply told me what it means without even reading it.  For my part I ether accepted what they said blindly or rejected it out right with out any basis.    Some of you may no doubt be cringing the way I do when my manager at work picks up a computer book.  

Then the Lord said to him “Now you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness.  You fools! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also?  So give for alms those things that are within; and see, everything will be clean for you.

But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and herbs of all kinds, and neglect justice and the love of God; it is these you ought to have practiced, without neglecting the others.”
Luke 11.39 – 11.42

He said to them, “Then do you also fail to understand?  Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile, since it enters, not the heart but the stomach, and goes out into the sewer?”  And he said “It is what comes out of a person that defiles.  For it is from within, from the human heart, that evil intentions come: fornication, theft, murder, adultery, avarice, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride, folly.  All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”
Mark 7.18 – 7.23

Ok, I get that.  It is not the filth you have collected on the outside that is the problem.  It is the filth you have collected on the inside that is the problem.   I can honestly say that while I have in action committed one or two of these items, in my heart I have committed all of them.  

My first question then was: How do I clean the inner cup?  But I think I found the answer to that.

But I say to you that listen, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, prey for those who abuse you.  If anyone strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also; and from anyone who takes away your coat do not withhold even your shirt.  Give to everyone who begs from you; and if anyone takes away your goods, do not ask for them again.  Do to others as you would have them do to you.

If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you?  For even sinners love those who love them.  If you do good to those that do good to you, what credit is that to you?  For even sinners do the same.  If you lend to those from whom you hope to receive, what credit is that to you?  Even sinners lend to sinners, to receive as mush again.  But love you enemies, do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return.  Your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High; for he is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked.  Be merciful, just as your father is merciful.
LUKE 6.27-6.36

How do you come to the point of truly feeling that way?

If you truly feel that way how can you justify war, or even defending yourself?

I understand that Jesus died for our sins.  He bears that burden for us, so that we will come into heaven despite our failings.   But does that mean I can neglect what the lord has said?
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