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58171  Theology / Apologetics / Re:IS YOUR BIBLE THE RIGHT ONE? on: October 28, 2004, 12:56:20 AM
Here is another one that causes a lot of problems.

KJV
1Co 14:14  For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

NIV
For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
58172  Theology / Debate / Re:Speaking in Tongues on: October 28, 2004, 12:38:58 AM
1Co 14:14  For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
1Co 14:15  What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.


The greatest gift is Salvation through Jesus Christ (charity).

I will stick with charity and the seeking of understanding.

58173  Theology / Debate / Re:god's word on: October 27, 2004, 10:28:13 PM
I questioned "change in tone" as that is a very popular term amongst atheists.

58174  Theology / Debate / Re:god's word on: October 27, 2004, 09:32:56 PM
Change in tone?

58175  Theology / Debate / Re:God's word on: October 27, 2004, 09:01:24 PM
Many of the laws and rules that you speak of in the Old Testament was under the old covenant. We have a new covenant with God through Jesus Christ. As for what to eat the Bible tells us:

Mat 6:25  Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

Rom 14:2  For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3  Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.


58176  Theology / General Theology / Re:The Penalty on: October 27, 2004, 08:33:41 PM
Amen, brother.

58177  Theology / Debate / Re:Speaking in Tongues on: October 27, 2004, 08:02:43 PM
I agree that God does bestow us all with different gifts. I Corinthians chapters 12 through 14 tells us that speaking in tongues is a lesser gift as it does not benefit God that frequently. Three whole chapters was devoted to this subject because the church it was written to put to great an emphasis on the speaking in tongues instead of what is really important. It is more important to be able to prophesy or to be able to understand the Word of God. It is most important to have charity.


1Co 14:14  For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
1Co 14:15  What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

The three most important things:

1Co 13:13  And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Charity here is not the present day meaning of it, the giving of material things to a needy organisation. The meaning of Charity here is LOVE. God's love for us, our love for God, our love for our brothers and our enemies.

The other gifts will pass away and be of no importance when Jesus returns. But charity will never pass.

1Co 13:8  Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
1Co 13:9  For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Co 13:10  But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.


I will stick with charity and the seeking of understanding.
58178  Theology / Debate / Re:Speaking in Tongues on: October 27, 2004, 12:30:25 PM

 Speaking in tongues is a gift. When i first accepted Christ as my saviour at the age of 12 i could speak in tongues when the holy spirit came into me (Christ). It's a prayer language between you and God. Chapter 12 in 1 Corinthians talks about different gifts and tongues and Chapter 14 in
1 Corinthians. Dont let anyone tell you any different, If you desire to speak in tongues keep praying and anoint yourself with oil or possibly fasting and God will hear your prayers and grant them for you.

Michael

Chapter 13 also discusses it. Chapter 13 is one of the most important one to read on this.

In your last statement.... Are you saying that if you don't do this that he won't hear me and/or won't answer my prayers?

58179  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:Religious Sensationalists on: October 27, 2004, 12:18:08 PM
Yup, all the time. I am dealing with 2 of them on another forum right now.

58180  Fellowship / For Men Only / Re:AN OLD GEEZER TEST on: October 26, 2004, 11:58:51 PM
Where's my glasses now?

 Grin Grin
58181  Entertainment / Politics and Political Issues / Re:Election 2004! on: October 26, 2004, 07:13:18 PM
Pastor Roger,

Brother, I'm glad to see that you are back.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Ditto!  Cheesy

Thank you.
58182  Entertainment / Politics and Political Issues / Re:Election 2004! on: October 26, 2004, 06:47:48 PM
Pastor Roger,

Brother, I'm glad to see that you are back. We are dealing with a couple of trolls now, but they probably won't be here long. Their little horns are already showing.   Grin  That usually means a troll melt-down. They usually come here thinking that Christians are entertainment. It's really pretty sad, but most of them get exposed to some good while they are here.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Thank you, brother. I just couldn't stay away.

58183  Entertainment / Politics and Political Issues / Re:Election 2004! on: October 26, 2004, 05:31:49 PM
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I think you hit the nail on the head. He wants us to beleive he is a Christian yet the majority of his posts indicate elsewise, that he wants us all to do the devils bidding by not voting so the devil can have his way and that we should all turn our backs on atrocities in other countries.

If you knew how little I cared about your belief concerning my salvation, your hair would stand straight up in shock.

The majority of my posts? Well, I don't worship George Bush, and frankly think him a simple minded fool, but aside from your claiming to know the motives of the Devil you haven't even demonstrated, or even tried to demonstrate one instance of where my theology differs from historic, orthodox Christian teaching.

Nahhh......I wouldn't be shocked at all. That doesn't matter but what you a teaching here does.

Worship George Bush? Not me, he is a man and as such capable of making mistakes. He is however the best candidate running for President.

As for your theology, many on here have pointed it out myself included. You just chose to ignore it because as you said you don't care.

As for your salvation, I apologize if it seemed I was judging that. That is not my place to determine if you are or are not saved, that is between you and God. My intentions were in reference to your teachings.

58184  Entertainment / Politics and Political Issues / Re:Election 2004! on: October 26, 2004, 02:45:08 PM
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Tim Vaughn Said:

Goldwater was great, you don't spend what you don't have. But the modern Republicans have left traditional conservative values far behind. The best policy is not to vote at all in this presidental election to send a protest out.

 Roll Eyes


Right???, that's exactly what the devil wants all Christians to do.

I think you hit the nail on the head. He wants us to beleive he is a Christian yet the majority of his posts indicate elsewise, that he wants us all to do the devils bidding by not voting so the devil can have his way and that we should all turn our backs on atrocities in other countries. He indicates that he is a military tactician by putting down someone for their tactical ideas. He may be knowledgeable in history but he has learned nothing good from history. He thinks he knows how I stand on politics but he doesn't have an inkling. He calls my stance (what he tinks it is) as dangerous to the world. I say that his stance is dangerous as it will let Satan have more control in this world.
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