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1  Prayer / Prayer Requests / Past post about trip out of town on: November 26, 2004, 06:55:21 PM
I am going to say my good-bys. I have bone cancer that is spreading very repid and a 84 yr old mother who is blind and can not come to Texas. Just thought I would drop that on you. Gone 3 or 4 weeks and then to MD Anderson for maybe arm amputation hopefully it will spread any more while I am going.
2  Prayer / General Discussion / Re:Instead of Witnessing,Legislate! on: November 26, 2004, 11:07:49 AM
I can quote all of our forefathers on this nation of Christianity, because I have a book that has about 50,000 quotes from the founding fathers , christanity, and polictics. But I want. This is now, not when George was president ot F>D> even. We are in a different time zone. Most people don't even know what Thansgiving is really about anymore, or Christmas as far as that goes.

This is a Message for SYMPHONY, being humble comes from a type of personality and is not taught by a hand full of (or they humble) teachers. This is suppose to start at home. which it has slowly declined in the last few decades.lI don't want any teacher teaching my grandchildrean about being humble or sexual activity. Thier parents or maybe "even" me.
3  Prayer / Prayer Requests / Trip out of town. on: November 25, 2004, 07:32:14 PM
I will going to Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama in the next three weeks .Please keep me in your prayers for sfaety and especially for my health.
4  Fellowship / Witnessing / How To Save A Nation (2 Chronicles 7:14) on: November 25, 2004, 09:35:17 AM
To our flash, changing the direction of a nation seems somewhat impossible. With all the other objects or ideals people worship outside of God, it's no wonder the thought os seeing an entire nation turn to God seems unlikely, especially when it appears godless men and women are running the country.

Wowever, we must remeber that whoever is in authority over us is placed there by God.

"It is He who changes the times and the epochs;He removes kings and establishes lings;He gives wisdom to wise men and knowledge to men pf unstanding" (Daniel 2:21). Kings, mayors, governors, senators-they're all placed in their postions of authority by God. And they can be removed by God just as easily.

And through our prayers-contrite and himble-God can turn a nation of rebels into a nation of disciples. "If....My people who called ny My name humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear them from heaven, will forgive their sin and will heal their land" (2Chronicles 7:14).

Do you want to see God move in our nations and other nations?

Get on your knees and make the biggest difference you can possibly make as a Christian; ask God to the nations to Him.
5  Prayer / General Discussion / Our Helper in Prayer - John 14:16-18 on: November 25, 2004, 09:18:52 AM
One of the greatest hindrances to our prayer life is a lack of perseverance. Oftertimes people quit praying too soon. We feel that since we have asked, our answer should immediately be forthcoming or our need should quickly be met. God is not a bellhop, waiting to give us just what we want the moment we ask. We often have to exercise patience and continue praying.

Every believer is givenly the Hole Spirit to seal our relationship to God, and it is He who counsels us how to pray.(Romans 8:26) We have the idea that we need to come to God only when we have a need. However, prayer is about intimacy. If God gave us whatever we wanted as soon as we asked, we would not be able to understand the dynamic of our relationship-we might never learn important skills like patience or dependence.

Think of Paul, who tells us that he implored 3 times for his "thorn in the flesh"to be removed before God gave a firm answe of no. (2Cors. 12:Cool This probably refers to three protected periods of time Pail begged for relief. When we have been praying for a long time about and don't feel as if out words are going anywhere, that is not the time to quit. You have to pray through those situations.

God is listening attentively to our cries, and His Spirit is our constant companion-even when we cannot "feel" His presence or involvment. Instaed of ceasing to pray, will you call on the Holy Spirit to aid you in presevering?

6  Fellowship / You name it!! / The world wants your best but God wants your all. on: November 20, 2004, 05:09:28 PM
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. (Matthew 22:37)
7  Fellowship / What are you doing? / Re:My ministry on: November 19, 2004, 05:04:58 PM
Yes, I do care very much. Even the SBC has female chaplains, in hospitals and such. I said,"plant the seed".Anyone with the faith the size of a mustard seed can do that. Maybe as you grow in Christ, you will see where I am coming from. Not from me, but from the great"I AM".
8  Prayer / General Discussion / Instead of Witnessing,Legislate! on: November 19, 2004, 04:49:50 PM
I received one of those e-mails that Christians love to pass around. This was one of those that referred to the violence in schools. The theory offered was that weak-minded excuse that the violence began when prayer was taken out of the public schools.

Actually, the real reason all these things have happened is because Christians have been pursuing material security and worldliness, and trying to think they are doing God's work by playing politics .... all that instead of doing what Jesus said to do: make disciples. We can't legislate righteousness, and forcing prayer in school won't change the sinfulness of the people.

Doesn't it bother anyone that Christians claim Grace and want to legislate law upon non-Christians? Actually, the mentality is frightening as well as repulsive.

But, why should Christian parents go on pursuing "the American dream" and think the world will be alright if they can just get prayer back in school and stop abortions?

Let's ask the question: which prayer should be said in public schools? A Catholic prayer? A charismatic prayer? A Wiccan prayer? A New Age Prayer? On what basis can we force a Christian prayer to be used in school, and no other kind of prayer? Do Christians really think we have the right to force pagans to be subjected to our traditions and liturgies? On what basis?

Of course, if we were making disciples, there would not be the divorce, the abortions, and the godlessness among those who are discipled. But, the method that most Christians want to use is: a) avoid making disciples, and b) legislate our faith upon unbelievers. Jesus never authorized us to do this, but it isn't going to stop most Christians from making up the "Christian" agenda, is it?

But, what can we say? Christians want to PLAY, and FEEL spiritual instead of doing God's will, God's way.

What do I know? Who am I? I suppose I'm just fed up with spiritual sandbox "pass the good feelin' e-mail" games which just play around with feel good answers instead of affirming what Jesus says we are to be and do.

Gaither wrote a song: "you talk about weather, you talk about things that really aren't important at all ..." [that includes patriotism, pagan politics, and trying to "fix things" by forcing prayer in school instead of living as Jesus prescribes, so far as I can understand the Scriptures].

Oh, yeah, we "think" we are doing that ... but why don't we look any different from our pagan neighbors? And why are we trying to solve society's problems with worldly methods?HuhHuhHuh?

Anybody want to try to quote Scripture on why it is necessary to force prayer to be in school instead of making disciples? Is there any reason why we have to have prayer in schools in America when Christians can't force prayer in schools in China, Malaysia, Thailand, Japan, etc, etc, etc?

Why is it that Christians in the USA are so racist and superior that they think they have "rights" that Christians in almost every other nation of the earth have no hope of ever experiencing? Would we still serve Jesus if we were black and dirt poor in Haiti?

And how can "rights" be part of discipleship when Jesus tells us we must deny self in order to follow Him? (Luke 9.23) Are we worldly citizens of a pagan society, or are we citizens of the Kingdom of God, which never asks us our opinion nor gives us an opportunity to vote? Have I missed something? Is God now operating by opinion polls and democracy?

Maybe being Christian results in split personality disorders, eh? We can be obedient to God in the quiet corners of our heart, but look and act like the world in our "real" life? There is something radically wrong with such carnal faith, don't you think?

How about we get back to submitting to Jesus' commission, and let God take care of the pagan government and public schools? We might see the world start to change if we took the task of making disciples absolutely serious.

9  Fellowship / What are you doing? / Re:My ministry on: November 19, 2004, 11:35:07 AM
If you have given your age right, I can understand if you are really only 15 years old. I just hope by the time you get my age you will have seen the light a little different. Become a Chaplain with the faith you belong to. I don't know of any denomination that will stop a female from becoming a chaplain unless it is the Catholics. Aynway, hang in there and keep that love for Jesus and helping Him to plant the seeds. God bless you energizerbunny.
10  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:Revelations on: November 18, 2004, 04:34:44 PM
I am glad that you enjoy my post. I hope that they help someone understand and want Jesus in their lives.

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No man knows his true character until he has run out of gas, purchased something on the installment plan and raised an adolescent.

"Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance."(James 1:2,3 NAS)

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11  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:Revelations on: November 18, 2004, 03:48:41 PM
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This prophecy has already been fulfilled through television, radio, missionaries, the translation of the Bible into many languages, and the internet.  People all over the world now hear the message of Christ from missionaries who have the means to travel the globe, and via technology that allows us to communicate with people on the other side of the world right from our own homes, churches and offices

There are still literally 1,000s of people that do not or have they heard the message of Jesus Christ preached to them in their own tongue so that they could understand what was being said. Look at China,sure there are ubderground groups, but Christians are being locked every day over there for trying to spread the word. Viet Nam just passed a anti-Christian law.
12  Prayer / General Discussion / Christmas on: November 16, 2004, 05:09:33 PM
Christmas will be here before we know it. And when I think about Christmas, I am mindful of the wise men. We know they were exceedingly wise because they sought the Lord Jesus Christ to worship Him.

The wisest thing you could ever do is to worship Jesus. I hope you don't miss that! Now there are a lot of people who want the joys of Christmas without the worship of Jesus. Impossible! You may have a giddy time, but you're never going to know the joys of Christmas until you learn to worship the Lord Jesus Christ.

These wise men were so interested in worshipping Him that they came in spite of great difficulty, distance, discomfort, and even danger. Does worship mean that much to you, or do you have a take-it-or-leave-it attitude? If He's worth anything, He's worth everything. Yet, we let the slightest inconvenience stand in our way of worship. But, the wise men came to worship the Lord in spite of difficulty. What is Jesus worth to you?

We need to look past the tinsel, music, and food at Christmas and truly draw nigh to Jesus. We often see too much of the festival and not enough of the devotional.

One way to ensure against this is to make a priority of honoring the Lord Jesus. Many are looking for a way to bring Christ into Christmas, and I don't know of a better way than the Proclamation Ornaments. They are one of the greatest Christmas teaching tools that I've ever seen.

God bless you and your family as you worship the Lord Jesus this Christmas.

13  Theology / Debate / Re:Meat is Murder on: November 16, 2004, 10:05:54 AM
Seems like someone should read their Bible before inserting foot. God provided for man ever since Eden (the stomach);There some verses worth looking up on man -animals of the earth. The person who started this originally should base his decesions on the Bible and not some "singing group".
14  Prayer / General Discussion / Identifying the Enemy on: November 15, 2004, 07:18:37 PM
"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."(Ephesians 6:12 NKJV)

It's no coincidence that as Paul warns us about the deceptive wiles of the enemy he immediately fraws our attention to the fact that "we do not wrestle against flesh and blood." I believe that one of the enemy's favorite wiles is to confuse our understanding about his true identity. Satan's plan is to get us thinking that the people in our daily lives (the flesh and blood) are our real enemies. If he can accomplish this, then we're beaten out of the gate because we can't defeat an enemy that we can't identify.

When we focus on the flesh, we do two things that are determental to us. We encourage our own carnality because we stay subject to the wordly level instead of seeing things through the spiritual perspective. We also ensure the world's captivity because when we see our fellow man as the enemy, we certainly won't be inclined to share the saving message of the gospel with them. They stay bound in their captivity, and we stay bound in our carnality.

There are three things that we can do that will help us to stop focusing on the flesh and start identifying who the real enemy is. First,we need to love those who wh're tempted to call our enemy. Second,we need to pray for the people who rub us the wrong way,especially those who don't know the Lord. The more we pray for people, the more we will desire what's best for them. Lastly, we need to share the gospel with them, understanding their spiritual condition and need.When we do these things, we will see people in a much different light, and we will also see our real enemy for who he is.It's a terrible tragedy whenever friendly fire occurs on the battlefield.We need to remember that God calls us to befriend the people in our lives that we mistakenly identify as our enemies.
15  Fellowship / What are you doing? / Re:My ministry on: November 14, 2004, 02:42:50 PM


 




 

 

 

 

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First Timothy 2:13-14 gives the reason why this command is set forth and necessary in the local church: "For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." The Divine command in no way denotes any form of inferiority of women. Rather, this text reminds the reader that God has determined an order for the institutions that He has established. Paul's reasons for prohibiting a woman from authoritatively teaching the Word of God to men in the local assembly were based upon two historical events: the creation and the fall. Concerning creation, Kent writes, "The very chronological order of creation proves that Eve was not intended to direct Adam."29 Bowen agrees, noting that Adam's "chronological primacy in creation carried with it some degree of authority."30 Notice Brown's observation concerning the theology of the Progressives in relation to their view of women in the church:

The rejection of the special and separate creation of man and of woman is so common in our day that many may not even notice the ... pressure placed on them to deny every principle of order derived from it. It is in this climate that rejects (or ignores) the fundamental doctrine of creation in which egalitarian (re)interpretations of 1 Timothy 2:12 have flourished. It seems hardly promising to dispute the details, for it is often the fundamental principles that effectively control the outcome of one's interpretation.31

Such is certainly the case! If the Progressives do not even accept the literal, special, and separate creation of man and women, then the very underlying principle of why men hold a position of authority within the home and church is worthless, and no practical implications can be built from it.

 

Yet, not only are women to refrain from authoritatively proclaiming the Word of God to men due to the very order established by God from the time of creation, but they also must heed God's order as a result of the very nature of the fall. Again, verse 14 does not in any way denote the idea that women are less intelligent or even more easily deceived than men. Such is obviously not always the case, for men and women are equal as individuals in the sight of God, though each has been entrusted with a differing function or role. Rather, this verse relates the fact that Eve usurped authority over her husband by partaking of the fruit in disobedience to the clear command of God. Kent writes, "Thus the fall was caused, not only by disobeying God's command not to eat, but also by violating the divinely appointed relation between the sexes. Woman assumed headship, and man with full knowledge of the act, subordinated himself to her leadership and ate of the fruit (Rom. 5: 19)."32 Bowen calls this the "reversal of roles" and says that "Paul's point is that this role reversal that caused such devastation at the beginning must not be repeated in the church."33 While such a standard of male headship might not be popular or politically correct within today's culture, such are the norms God has established for His church, and those who are His children will only honor and glorify Him by subscribing to His standards with a willing heart and mind.

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If one accepts the inerrancy and historical accuracy of Scripture and correctly interprets 1 Timothy 2:9-15, then all portions of New Testament Scripture that address the role of women in the local assembly will fall into place. For example, one will understand what Paul meant when he commanded women to "keep silence" in the local church (1 Cor. 14:33-34). One will also understand why the proscriptive nature of the Pastoral Epistles declares that a pastor/bishop/elder must be "the husband of one wife" (1 Tim. 3:2). The reader of the Pastoral Epistles must understand that Paul is giving direct, divine revelation concerning the roles and behavior of men and women in the local church, and women and men both possess certain ministries and responsibilities to fulfill. However, the woman is forbidden from preaching, or authoritatively proclaiming the truth of the Word of God, to men in a local assembly of believers. Today, this authoritative proclamation of the Word of God would include any form of pastoral ministry or the holding of any ordained office. The reasons for this divine injunction stem from God's prescribed order in creation, in the family and in the local church.
 
 
 




 

 
 
 
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