I was not attacking you. I was trying to show you.

Your heart is the the right place. But I have seen what you are showing me, and I have reseached it from both sides.

Are you a RC?
If so, you still can't see it's a cult?

I am not Roman Catholic, I’m a member of a separate rite. But, being from South Louisiana, and knowing the history of the Church (the true history, not the revisionist garbage) I hold a special place for the RCC.

Can you serve God and the RC at the same time?

Of course. Why shoulding you be able to, Tony?

Tibby, you seem to be forgetting; you should only believe "history" that supports your preconcieved prejudices.  Forget common sense and academic credentials - go for the conspiracy theory every time.

  Thats right, I totally forgot   Sorry guys, I was looking at all the angles. My bad...

I just don't see how a God fearing Christian can do the ones below:

the mass,
the veneration (of worship) of Mary,
when they throw away their rosaries and repent from claiming that Mary was free from original sin,
purgatory,
and when the priest of Rome concede to the priesthood of all believers etc...

And serve God too.
Yeah we all sin. But once that person knows its wrong they shouldn't do it anymore. Yet the RCC has/still does those above. They still do it today. In plain view.

I do read history. Church History, modern history, and everything in between. I would suggest you do the same before you start attacking your brothers in Christ again.

I was not attacking you. I was trying to show you.
Are you a RC?
If so, you still can't see it's a cult?

Can you serve God and the RC at the same time?

J. S. Conway? Jack Chic uses this guy as a source.

So then, tell me, if what J. S. Conway says is true, then why did the Nazis murder countless Catholics for being Catholic? He is making a mockery of the death of countless Christians and Jews with these Asinine conspiracy theories. You think Rome helped the Nazis? Well, they Jews Rome aided in freeing disagree. Pope Pius XII deplored the Nazi belief, and clearly stated that. I have given you dates and times. Conway has given you a few guesses formed out of Circumstantial evidence and his anti-catholic bias

I give up.  

Believe what you want.

Just read history and you will know.

But how can you be a part of the Lord's Supper and part of the RCC at the same time? One cannot!

Half of the stuff in the RCC is man-made and not in the Bible.

But again, believe what you want friend.

God's Word....every word is true, now put  the Bible against the RCC and you will see.

Im done on this topic.

Franz Von Papen, another powerful Nazi, who was instrumental is setting up the concordat between Germany and the Vatican had this to say " The third Reich is the first world power which not only acknowledges but also puts into practice the high principles of the papacy."

Signing the concordat is cardinal pacell (later to become Pope Pius XII) by 1933 he was the Vatican secretary of state.
Franz Von Papen, a sinister Nazi and devout Roman Catholic who was Hitlers ace diplomat and the Vaticans agent in helping to bring Hitler to power.

The little known Vatican prelate, Montini, later to become Pope Paul VI.
all those were in the signing.

Look at the past, and now. Has Rome changed?

When the RCC dumps the mass, the veneration (of worship) of Mary, when they throw away their rosaries and repent from claiming that Mary was free from original sin, when they admit they cooked up the idea of purgatory, and when the priest of Rome concede to the priesthood of all believers,and tons of other false teachings......

then maybe we can believe they have changed.

When World War II ended, the Vatican had egg all over its face. Pope Pius XII, after building the Nazi machine, saw Hitler losing his battle against Russia, and he immediately jumped to the other side. General Eisenhower saved his neck. Pope Pius XII should have stood before the judges in Nuremburg.

Too many people knew that the Vatican was responsible for World War II so it was time for a face lift. The Vatican II Council came into existence and they put on a new face lift. She wiped her mouth with her bloody hands and said "I've changed. Now I like the Protestants. I'm not going to call them heretices any more but searated brethren, she told the Protestants to forget the past.........just like in France and Ireland remember?

Hello Tibby,

I am not trying be mean. Let that be known now ok?
I know everyone makes mistakes, thats a fact of life.
That quote you wanted is from "The Nazi Persecution of the Churches" by J. S. Conway, pgs. 25,26 and 162.

The Catholic Church was opposed in principle to the policies of Hitler and the Nazi Party?

The three big defenders of the Roman Catholic faith were Hitler, Mussolini, and Franco. All three had concordates with the Vatican. When the Nazi war machine swept through the Balkans on the way to attack Russia, Yugoslavia had become a Nazi occupied country. The Pope despised the Russian Orthodox members. They were called Serbains and they were
marked for death in Yugoslavia. They were giving one choice,
to convert to Catholicism or die. The communist party was created by the Vatican to destroy one of her greatest enemies, the Russian Orthodox Church. The communist had double-crossed the pope and refused to destroy the Russian Orthodox Church members and at last, Pope Pius XII had created a machine to do what the communists had failed to do, butcher every Orthodox Church member and their clergy.
The Catholic priests changed their robes for the uniforms of the dreaded Ustachi killer squads and led the most barbaric, brutal raids upon the people and practiced satanic torture never before known in this century. We are not talking 800 years ago. We are talking 1940.

The whore of Revelation showed her fangs, tore her enemies to shreds and clevery covered up her crime. All this is documented in many books, including Catholic Terror Today by Avro Manhattan.

next page.....

To those RCC members:

Have you read the RCC history?
 
how about on August 22, 1572 The bloody St. Bartholomew
massacre?

or

the 1641 Ireland massacre-October 23.

What about the sacrament, do you kneel before the sacrament? I didn't ask if you believed I asked do you kneel before it?

Every church more than about 50 years old has got some horror stories under it's belt.  The only reason the rest haven't is that they haven't yet had the time.   RCC has more than most because its been around longer than any (except the Orthodox) and is far, far, bigger.

You are right every Church has some hurror stories.
But why did the RCC side with Hitler?

Hitler said:

"I am personally convinced of the great power and deep significance of Christianity, and I won't allow any other religion to be promoted. That is why I have turned away from Ludendorff and that is why I reject that book by Rosenberg. It was written by a Protestant. It is not a  party book. It was not written by him as a party man. The Protestants can be left to argue with him....As a Catholic I never feel comfortable in the Evangelical Church or its structures. That is why I will have great difficulty if I try to regulate affairs of the Protestant Churches. The evangelical people or the Protestants will in any case reject me. But you can be sure I will protect the rights and freedoms of the Churches and not let them be touched, so that you need have no fears about the future of the Church."

Hitler was also ready to discuss with the Bishop his views on the Jewish question: "As for the Jews, I am just carrying on with the same policy which the Catholic Church has adopted for fifteen hundred years, when it has regarded the Jews as dangerous and pushed them into ghettos etc, becouse it knew what the Jews were like. I don't put race above religion, but I do see the danger in the representative of this race for Church and State, and perhaps I am doing Christianity a great service."

To those RCC members:

Have you read the RCC history?
 
how about on August 22, 1572 The bloody St. Bartholomew
massacre?

or

the 1641 Ireland massacre-October 23.

What about the sacrament, do you kneel before the sacrament? I didn't ask if you believed I asked do you kneel before it?

Um... but you forgot to add that this is how the early church felt about it, too.

As for the monstrance, well, that is seperate from the Lord's Supper.

Nope, give me one scripture from the early Church that says that?

The Roman Catholic Institution in their Canon laws state:


" If any one shall deny that the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and therefore entire Christ, are truly, really, and substantially contained in the sacrament of the most Holy Eucharist; and shall say that He is only in it as a sign, or in a figure, let him be accursed."

That's when the priest walks out holding up the cookie in the monstrance, which looks like a sunburst, and people come up and kiss it and adore it. And if any Protestant would say,

" hey, that's idolatry," that Protestant is to be accursed.

Now to sum this up, the Roman Catholic Institution teaches that you must believe that the bread, or host, consecrated in the mass actually becomes Jesus Christ and it is to be worshipped as God Almighty.

It holds firm, just as strong today, as it did in the time of the Middle Ages, that anyone who ridicules it, or says that it only represents Christ, is damned. The Vatican II Council re-affirmed this. Pope John XXIII said, " I do accept entirely all that has been decided and declared at the Council of Trent."

That Canon law is in effect today!

There are some Christians who are awake to what is going on, but there are many Christians today who believe everything is just fine. Everyone loves everybody else. The Christians, Mormons, Jews, Jehovah's Witnesses, Moslems are all serving the same God, but in different ways.

I read a letter to the editor on WND that basically said the sky was the limit to who or what you could "marry". What  if you wanted to marry your pet goat, or a cabbage?

The sodomites want special privileges for their abominable lifestyles. Will pedophiles be standing in line next? What if they want to marry their 8 year old neighbor boy?

America needs to wake up and get serious about this situation! There is nothing funny about this perversion. We can expect God to give a response if "gay" marriage becomes the law of the land.

Psalm 119

Yeah America needs to wake up, but what can we do beside pray?

How about all Christians overthrow the gays? We do out number them.

Since the gays march, has speaches..etc...we can too. And once the governmemt see's everyone in the streets, they can't do anything. They would be to scared to say anything becouse they would loose their job.

Christians can take back America, the way it should be.

I think most people don't do anything becouse they are scared to stand up.

And the gys know that.

Anyone else have any more ideas?

 

I enjoy carprenty. Been doing it since age 12.
When ever it was toreing down homes or building decks or building add ons to a home.

I too have have done all those.
And the ol' days of racing ...LOL.
We only have one cop here and he's always sitting at the co-op drinking coffee.  
Not much is better then a small town when you are growing up. And talk about deer seaon...the guys when they kill a dear, sit at the co-op....with the pickup tail down, showing off the deer. (bragging rights).LOL
And the best place to eat here is the fishcamp. 99% of fast food is yuck. Unless its a all you can eat buffet.  
Best is Barnhill's. But thats in a differnt city.

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put to death....

The question: What do women really want?

Such a question would perplex even the most knowledgeable man, and, to
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The hour approached. Arthur, steeling himself for a horrific experience,
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when she'd appeared as a witch, she would henceforth be her horrible,
deformed self half the time, and the other half she would be her beautiful
maiden self.

Which would he want her to be during the day, and which during the
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privacy of his home, an old witch? Or would he prefer having by day a
hideous witch, but by night a beautiful woman with whom to enjoy many
intimate moments?

What would you do?

What Arthur chose follows below......but don't read until you've made
your own choice.......

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Noble Arthur replied that he would let her choose for herself. Upon
hearing this, she announced that she would be beautiful all the time,
because he had respected her enough to let her be in charge of her
own life.

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