[Christ fulfilled all the just demands of the Law in His perfect and sinless life]

Boiler room and i'm a bit confused here so if any one can answer it i'd be much obliged.  M't:5:17: Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. M't:5:18: For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled

1. The word *Law* is used in Scripture for both the Mosaic Law and the entire Tanach (OT), depending on the context.

2. Christ fulfilled all the just demands of the Law in His perfect and sinless life. He challenged the Pharisees and religious leaders of Israel to prove that He had broken any law, and they could not (John 8:46). So as the Last Adam Christ cancelled the sin debt incurred by the First Adam both in His life and in His death. He lived the Law for all of us.

3. Christ also fulfilled the just demands of the Law in his perfect sacrifice for sin as the Lamb of God. Since the wages of sin is death (first and second deaths) and the curse (Romans 5:6-21; 6:23) Christ paid this penalty on behalf of all mankind (Jn. 1:29).

4. Christ nailed the Law of Moses as well as the sin nature of every sinner to the cross, thus abolishing the Law and its demands altogether (Rom. 6:1-23; Gal. 3:10-13; Col. 2:14). That is why He cried *It is finished!* and the veil in the temple was torn from top to bottom, thus signifying that the temple, the sanctuary, the priesthood, the sacrifices, the feasts, and the ordinances of Moses had come to an end. The four injunctions given to Gentile believers from the Law are further revealed to be incorporated into the Law of Liberty which comes with the New Covenant. The injunction to not eat blood and strangled animals [also blood] predates the Law and covers a commandment to the entire human race through Noah.

5. Christ replaced the Law of Moses with the Perfect Law of Liberty, the Law of the Spirit, the Law of Christ, the Law of Love. Every commandment is covered by ONE COMMANDMENT  -- love [agape] -- which can only be obeyed by the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit, since this is God's love. Love is the fulfilling of the Law (Rom, 13:10).

6. *Till all be fulfilled* speaks of the unfulfilled prophecies that are still in the Law and the Prophets (also called simply the Law). These prophecies tie in with the end-times, the Second Coming of Christ, the covenants with Israel and David, and the establishment of Christ's kingdom on earth in the New Heavens and the New Earth. Once the old heavens and the old earth are replaced, then all will indeed be fulfilled.

Michael:

If you had a proper understanding of Christ and what He accomplished for us through His sinless life and His perfect sacrifice, you would know that the day Christ died was the day that the Law of Moses was fulfilled in every detail and then abolished!

The New Covenant brought a new Law of Love, written on the hearts of believers by the Holy Spirit. Since this is God's love, only God within the believer can keep this Law, and does keep it: *FOR IT IS GOD THAT WORKETH IN YOU, BOTH TO WILL AND TO DO OF HIS GOOD PLEASURE* (Philippians 2:13). That is totally different from keeping the Law of Moses in our own strength or with our own efforts, since it is supernatural. Study the New Testament Scriptures and ask the Lord to opne your eyes. You have been blinded.

The only problem I have with your theory is that the Holy Spirit is present at all times in all ages.

There is a difference bewteen all ages and the "Last Days". The last days began the day that the Lord Jesus Christ began His minsitry on this earth. After He left,  the Holy Spirit came to this earth at Pentecost to continue His work, with some  very specific reasons, one of them being to indwell all believers on Earth, the other to convict unbelievers of sin, convince them of the righteousness of Christ, and speak of the judgement of sin when the Gospel is preached. The harvest of souls can only be gathered today through the Word of God and the Holy Spirit working on a sinner simultaneously.

However. for the Man of Sin to be revealed, God send's *strong delusion* upon this earth. This in itself says that the time of harvesting souls is over. You can't have strong delusion and Gospel success at the same time.

So who hinders Satan on this earth? Ultimately there is no one other than the Lord Himself who can rebuke Satan. Both in Zechariah and in Jude, it is the Lord who rebukes Satan. In Job, it is the LORD who controls and limits Satan's activities.

However, God will allow Satan 3 1/2 years of power along with the Man of Sin, the Beast, the Antichrist, not only to delude the world but to control Christ-rejecting humanity. Since they had no love for the truth, they are blinded to believe *a lie* which is *the LIE* -- that Satan is God.  

Satan has longed to be recognized as God ever since he rebelled in heaven, and this will be his chance in order to bring about his own eternal damnation (along with the Beast and the False Prophet). Even Michael who wars with the devil does it only with delegated authority. It is *the power of His Christ* that brings down Satan to earth (from the atmospheric heavens).

The restrainer could be an angel. Look at Rev. 20.

If that were the case, then which angel? The archangel Michael by himself is not sufficient? The more important question is who crushed the Serpent's head? Who defeated the devil in the wilderness? Who destroyed the power of the devil on the Cross? Who comes with his armies from Heaven to overcome the Beast and all his forces? If God could have sent an angel to do the redemptive work of His Son, why would He send His Son? The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are inseparable, yet distinct. They restrain the devil and his angels until they are cast into the Lake of Fire.

No 'OBEDIENCE' No Holy Spirit! It is that PLAIN!

The *obedience* you speak of is obedience to the Gospel -- *the OBEDIENCE OF FAITH* (Rom. 16:26).

The Gospel message is believe, repent and receive. An immediate response to this offer of ETERNAL life is the obedience of faith that Christ wants. As a result, we received the GIFT of the Holy Spirit, and the gift of God Himself (1 Jn. 4:15-16)..

I hope you are not being contentious simply for the sake of being contentious.  Anyone who needs Christ must know without the shadow of a doubt that salvation is by grace through FAITH in the Person and finished work of Christ. That is a guarantee of eternal life. Salvation is a Person, and once that Divine Person -- the Holy Spirit -- comes to take up residence, it is for all eternity (Titus 3:4-7).

The sins of believers are dealt with separately (1 Jn. 1:5-10).

[sin]

T is for "Total Depravity" which according to Calvinists means that no one can respond to the Gospel unless they are made to respond by the Holy Spirit because they are one of the Elect.

This is not what the Bible teaches. The Holy Spirit convicts the world (sinful humanity) of sin, convinces the world of Christ's righteousness, and reveals to the world the judgement of sin (John 16:8-11). At the same time the preaching of the Gospel and the hearing of God's Word generate faith in the heart of the sinner (Romans 10:6-15; 1 Pet. 1:23-25).

All are invited to Christ (Isa. 55:1-3; Jn. 3:14-21; 35; Rev. 22:17) but only those who believe, repent and receive Christ are saved.  Christ died for the world, and came to save the world, but all will not be saved. That is not because God does not choose them but they do no choose Christ.

[*A STILL SMALL VOICE*]

Amen. The true power of God is seen when the Word of God and God the Holy Spirit work jointly to bring about the new birth through the Gospel -- the saving power of God.  This does not come *by observation*, since the *kingdom of God is within you* and is like the wind which can be heard but not seen (Jn. 3:8). Further, His power is seen when the Lord transforms a vile sinner into the image of Himself, as evidenced by the apostle Paul himself.

In this connection, it is important to note how God communicates with His saints and servants, through the incident with Elijah (1 Kings 19:11-13). God was not in the gale force wind, nor in the earthquake, nor in the fire, but was *A STILL SMALL VOICE* (v.12).  Do we hear Him, because that's how the Lord speaks today?

Today the only signs and lying wonders are from the adversary and deceiver, and *seducers shall wax worse and worse*.

He's also coming to establish His everlasting Kingdom on this earth and throughout the universe (1 Corinthians 15:24-28).  We have absolutely no idea what it will be like when the whole universe is permeated with God -- His holiness, His righteousness, and His light -- *THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL*

Believers will have responsibilities in this everlasting Kingdom -- we shall live and REIGN with Him (1 Cor. 6:2-3; 2 tim. 2:12).  Also, David's throne will be established in the New Heavens and the New Earth (Ezek. 37:20-28).

[Did God not deliberately conceal those 30 years?]

I do not understand how anyone can think that God would conceal important information in His word.

Other than the incident of Christ in the temple with the Jewish teachers at the age of 12, we have absolutely no record of His life until His coming to John the Baptist for baptism and His leaving for the wilderness. Did God not deliberately conceal those 30 years? There are many speculative tales of what Christ did during that time, but as far as God's Word is concerned, that portion of His life was sealed off from mankind.  Only God knows why. My guess is because our focus must be strictly on the Lamb of God who took away the sins of the world, and is now seated at the right hand of the Father.

Nothing serious. You were just musing about lonely Adam. You know, there's a lot of information in those first two chapters that has been deliberately concealed by the Lord, just like the first 30 years of the Lord's life. Irenaeus (the early church *father*) speculates about how Eve handled her temptation better than Adam, but finally succumbed.

Hello, I am new but have been reading this forum for a while. I hope someone else replies so I can have something to read on my lunch break. 8)

Congratualtions to the admin team for restoring this forum. I guess most of those who were participants are still under the impression that this forum is under repair. However, let's praise the Lord for enabling those who administer this board to cause it to be up and running. Perhaps a notice on other similar boards might help bring back the former participants.

As to Adam, he was quite busy naming all the animals to think about his own condition. It was the Lord, in His grace and mercy, who said *It is not good that man should be alone*.  We tend to forget that that statement not only applied to Adam, but had a future application to the Son of Man, who is the Son of God. The Church is Eve in final fulfillment.