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1  Theology / General Theology / Re:Can a Christian Lose Their Salvation? on: February 10, 2004, 08:53:06 PM
Hebrews 6:4-6  For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

I had a huge problem with this passage a few years ago.  I thank God that he has put in a church that has men and women who understands the Bible better than I do.  I have learned a great deal from them.  

The author of Hebrews is warning the readers the dangers of renouncing their newfound Savior because persecution.  It has been noted that this is only a hypothesis.  But the question that  I have is would you warn someone about the danger of falling down the steps if there was no danger?  

The answer is no, unless you are twisted in some way.  

When I was trying to understand verse 6, I read several different versions and it only confused me more.  Each version seemed to have its only take.  My assistant pastor finally was able to point me in the right direction when he explained that "seeing" should be taken as "as long as."

So, to get the correct meaning of verse 6, it should be read as:

 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; as long as they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

If they were to repent, God is faithful to forgive.  If they don't repent, God has no choice but to pour His wrath upon them.
2  Theology / General Theology / Re:Can a Christian Lose Their Salvation? on: February 07, 2004, 08:15:15 AM
Ephesians 1:1  
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 5:3-5
 For let fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness not be once named among you, as becomes saints, neither baseness, foolish talking, jesting, which are not becoming, but rather giving of thanks. For you know this, that no fornicator, or unclean person, or covetous one (who is an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Galatians 1:6  
I marvel that you so soon are being moved away from Him who called you into the grace of Christ, to another gospel,

Galatians 5:19-21  
Now the works of the flesh are clearly revealed, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lustfulness, idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, fightings, jealousies, angers, rivalries, divisions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkennesses, revelings, and things like these; of which I tell you before, as I also said before, that they who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Since Paul was addressing Born-again, spirit-filled Christians, why do you think he felt it necessary to remind them that if they practiced such things, they would not inherit the kingdom of God?
3  Theology / General Theology / Re:Can a Christian Lose Their Salvation? on: February 06, 2004, 06:34:18 AM
The scriptures you shared in your response gives me the impression that not everyone has an equal chance to be a part of God's kingdom.  That kind of mentality is not consistent with the God that I have come to know.

2 Pet 3:9  The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

What God did to Pharaoh is consistent with what we read in Romans.

Romans 1:29-32  Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, UNMERCIFUL: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

God will use us to glorify His name, just as He used Pharaoh.  It is we who decide whether the results will be positive or negative for us.
4  Theology / General Theology / Re:Can a Christian Lose Their Salvation? on: February 05, 2004, 10:43:28 PM
Yes, a person can lose their salvation.  All we have to do is look at Judas.  He was counted among the twelve before he betrayed Jesus.  He, like the others, was sent out by Jesus.  Which we can see in Mark 6:12,13 And they went out, and preached that men should repent. And they cast out many devils, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them.

If Judas was not saved, could he have done these miracles.  Jesus told us that if devils cast out devils their kingdom should fall. I cannot imagine any devil wanting their kingdom to fall.  So if a devil didn't do it, that must mean that Judas did it.  Remember, it says "they" so that has to include Judas.  

We know that Judas is called the son of perdition.  Which means "one that is hopelessly lost".  

I believe we have enough evidence to show that Judas lost his salvation.
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