twobombs

There is something familiar here---it seems like this construct is quietly happening here in the USA.

uzzia

[resurrection at the last day]

Early57

Daniel's allotted portion is the same rapture/resurrection we are waiting for.

John 11
23   Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24   Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
25   Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Daniel 12
1   And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2   And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

uzzia

asaph

I consider myself post-trib; meaning I believe the rapture will occur at the 7th (ie. last) trumpet. This is, of course before the 7 vials are poured (ie. God's wrath)---so I guess that is sort of pre-wrath. My scripture references would be Matthew 24, 1 Corinthians 15, 1 Thessalonians 4, Revelation 11 and 14.


I am just wondering in your pre-wrath thinking where the rapture occurs. I guess I really don't understand the pre-wrath position since we may have the same views with different names. I do believe we are not subject to God's wrath.

uzzia

twobombs

You are correct in saying that there are some churches and ministries in America that are not sold out to the Harlot and the Beast.

Sadly the large majority of churches here have already sold there soul to the Beast system and then joined the Harlot. You see most of the churches are incorpoated so that they get their tax exempt status. As soon as your church is incorpoated you then must obey the Beast (ie. following the laws and enjoying the benefits of being incorporated).

In the laws for a tax emempt entity is 501c3 which states..

TITLE 26--INTERNAL REVENUE CODE
Sec. 501. Exemption from tax on corporations, certain trusts, etc.
(c) List of exempt organizations
(3) Corporations, and any community chest, fund, or foundation, organized and operated exclusively for religious, charitable, scientific, testing for public safety, literary, or educational purposes, or to foster national or international amateur sports competition (but only if no part of its activities involve the provision of athletic facilities or equipment), or for the prevention of cruelty to children or animals, no part of the net earnings of which inures to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual, no substantial part of the activities of which is carrying on propaganda, or otherwise attempting, to influence legislation (except as otherwise provided in subsection (h)), and which does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office.

 
By law, the 501c3 church may not:
1)preach politically incorrect sermons (propaganda)
2)influence legislation
3)participate in political action
4)endorse candidates
5)oppose candidates

In this small clause the Beast has taken control of the voice of THE TRUTH and most of them don't know or even care---they like the benefits (ie. MONEY from the tax breaks).

So now the the Beast and the Harlot operate in harmony just the the Bible said they would.

ephod
publish or distribute political positions

[Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.]

twobombs

Here in the USA there are many churches. Most of the churches are sold out to the beast system and are therefore apostate.

We have become what Paul warned Timothy about......

2 Timothy 3
1   This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2   For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3   Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4   Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5   Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.6   For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7   Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

This is a description of the church in America, on first glance it looks alive, but alas it is, dead. And as Paul tells us---"from such turn away".

So more and more, we as the remnant of Israel, are leaving the organized churches here and starting our own fellowships. We have a group of 5 and the fellowship we have is astounding. We have no leader per se and we meet from 3-4 hours at a time. The entire time is spent around the WORD OF GOD and he is truely blessing our time.

So, twobombs as you can see it is no better on this side of the pond.

uzzia

Hi All

I to, am convinced the Michael is the restrainer in the spiritual realm. All of the kingdoms described in Daniel were of satan and operating in the auspices of one of his fallen angels. They all came to power as each restrainer was taken away in the heavenlies. They then had earthly kingdoms (ie. the visible kingdoms of Babylon, Greece, Rome etc).

As the Pale Horse (ie. antichrist) gets ready to ride God will allow Michael to defeat Satan in the heavenlies and he will be cast to earth to set up his visible kingdom.

The USA as one of the heads of the beast (ie. system of world affairs) will, in the very near future, recieve a "seemingly fatal wound". The earthy manifestation of the restrainer is the USA and when we get the wound---the Pale Horse will ride.

uzzia