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Theology / Apologetics / Re:Woman Preachers
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on: November 25, 2003, 09:27:22 AM
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petro, allinall; I agree that the scriptures on hair length and women usurping authority over men are clear cut and quite clear. I believe that it is wrong for women to preach for women to have short hair, and men to have long hair. what I am saying is that some people do not interpret those scriptures that way, and for them it is not a sin to be a woman preacher. Romans 16:16 Greet one another with a holy kiss. Corinthians I 16:20 All the brethren send greetings. Greet one another with a holy kiss. Corinthians II 13:12 Greet one another with a holy kiss. eter I 5:14 Greet one another with the kiss of love. 99.9 percent of all christians do not greet their brethern and sisters with kisses. Actually, the figure may be even higher than that. yet those scritpures are straight forward and clear cut. So by you guys reasoning, all of you are sinning. You don't greet christians with a kiss, you have found a way around those scriptures. Likewise, women preachers have found a way around the scriptures against women preachers. I say that their conscience is clean because their understanding permits them to preach and wear short hair and wear pants and try and look like a man. I say your conscience is clean because your understanding doesnt permit you to kiss anyone in the church.
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Theology / Apologetics / Re:Woman Preachers
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on: November 24, 2003, 09:23:47 AM
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All & Jesus; I do not think women with short hair and women who usurp authority over men by preaching and being pastors (pastorettes?) are sinning if they believe it is ok. I also do not think God is convicting them of it. Every Christian has some verses in the bible that he or she disobeys. Are you sinning because you dont kiss your brothers and sisters with God's love as the bible commands in 1 pet 5:14? No, I don't think so. Even though it is straight forward and repeated some 4 or 5 times in other verses, you have no doubt found away around that verse, just as women preachers with short hair have found a way around Timothy I 2:12" But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. " and Corinthians I 11:15" But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. "Corinthians I 11:6" For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. " You no doubt say something like, " oh if i kiss somebodys wife I'll be tempted to have sex with her so I'm not going to kiss anyone" and you therefore have found a justifiable way around Peter I 5:14"Greet one another with the kiss of love. Peace to all of you that are in Christ. " ( the word translated love here is agape, which means God's love). Same thing with women preachers with long hair.
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Theology / Apologetics / Re:Woman Preachers
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on: November 22, 2003, 03:21:28 PM
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Jesus; In Ezekiel 47 there is a river that flows out from the throne of God, the further along this river gets the deeper it gets. This speaks of more revelation, deeper truths that we chrsitians get as we go deeper in the things of God. All of us have some doctrines that are false. If God refused to use anyone who had any false doctrines , God would not be using anyone. God is always calling us out deeper into the things of god. We don't always go. I dont know if women with short hair and women preachers are sinning if they believe the bible doesnt condemn it. BEcause I believe the bible condemns it. I suppose God has sent them blindness in this area so that they wont be sinning willfully but in ignorance. Or maybeits like in james,"James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. " They dont know to do good by having long hair and not teaching men so its not sin to them. Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law." Perhaps there is no law for them against short hair and usurping authority over men and their conscience is clean. I will say this though , that there is comming a time when God will come down like the rain, when the church will reach maturity and Christ will have a perfect bride formed. At that time people will have a choice to make , either to enter into the move of God and be perfected, (just before the rapture) or remain outside and attack it. There are christians who will see many wonderfull marvelous miracles, healings, things nver before seen and will reject it because it doesnt fit in their churchs doctrines. They will miss out and have to go through the tribulation and either be maryterd or take the mark of the beast and loose their salvation. ONly the perfected bride of christ will make the rapture.
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Theology / Apologetics / Re:Woman Preachers
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on: November 21, 2003, 10:48:22 AM
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Corinthians I 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
Corinthians I 11:13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? orinthians I 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. Corinthians I 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. Timothy 2:12. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
I know a woman preacher who violates all these scriptures, yet people say God uses her tremendously. I don't listen to her or watch her because to me she so flagrantly violates these scriptures that she is an insult to me. But I guess God uses her. I suppose all of us violate some scritpure but god uses us all. God takes us where we are. Her understanding allows her to violate these scriptures because she interprets them wrongly. So her conscience is clean before God. It's an imperfect world and an imperfect Church that God uses.
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Theology / Apologetics / Re:Genesis 6:1-2
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on: November 19, 2003, 02:21:27 PM
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As to angels having sex with women and procreating, I find this concept to be untenable because angels are spirit beings and they do not have sperm with which to impregnate a woman. Angels also do not have the power to create sperm. angels cant turn themselves into a human being. Angels can manifest as humans but they arent human its all an illusion. God , who is the major spirit being in the universe did not have sex with Mary and procreate with some of his sperm. How did God do it then? simple . God created a new sperm to fertilize an egg of Mary's, thus creating the second adam , Jesus.Jeremiah 31:22 How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? forthe LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man. the new thing the Lord created was a spermazoid. a woman (Mary) compassed or went around a man. went around a man for what? what does a woman need a man for? the answer should be obvious. so, since the bible says Angels do not marry, and since even God had to create sperm to fertilze a womans egg, I conclude that angels do not and cannot procreate with humans. I'm taking a chance using the word sperm but I dont know how else to express this idea without using that word. Besides it's not a dirty word.
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Theology / Apologetics / Re:Genesis 6:1-2
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on: November 18, 2003, 03:53:31 PM
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Well, my church teaches that the sons of God were sethites, descendants of Seth. they were the godly people back then, the daughters of women were descendants of Cain or canninites. See, the canninite women had jewlery on and make up and stuff and made themselves look very pretty while the sethite women were modest and didnt dress as provocative. As far as giants in the land , well it could mean they were makers and shakers, or like goliath , really big. But everyone back then was really big. that was before the flood when people were healthier and lived longer because the air was purer and there was a protective covering of water over the atmosphere.
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