Pastor Roger
I thought that I was welcome even if  we don,t agree,as long we can discuss anything in love and respect to each
other. Please if anything I write must be in agreement with you, erase me from the forum. 

I think this the topic we are discusing under the title 'how Christianity differs for other religions".
Let us do it under the right title of the topic.

Pastor Roger
The Lord commissioned the church to preach the gospel, and He empower His church by His Spirit  to do it. Jesus said "Go YOU into the world and preach the gospel..." . Paul says....how then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed?and how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard?and how shall they hear WITHOUT A PREACHER? Pastor Roger, do you think Paul was definitely wrong? because he didn't say, God may use a preacher but actually doesn't need him because He has His mouth and He does the preaching fulfilling the great commission.
As for the other things you are saying base on some of my phrases,I have to say this,your not only using what I wrote out of context but out even from a sentence,by this way somebody can say that the Bible declares there is no God!

Brother Jerry,you asked me for a verse promising that the believers when they lay their hands on the sick they would recover. I just wrote these verses as an answer. These funny stuff as you call it,I didn't say it, Jesus said it.
Now let us see how much the miracle power waned in Apostle Paul based on the 2Tim.4 as you said.
After a few years (not before)that he had left Trofimus at Miletum sick(Acts 20)in Acts 28 we see Paul be bitten by a venomous viper and nothing happens to him....... and it came to pass that the father of Publius lay sick of a fever and of a bloody flux;to whom Paul entered in and prayed, and laid his hands on him and healed him. So when this was done, others also, which had diseases in the island, came,and were healed ACTS 28:8-9.   
But I would agree that after the early church,  we see the church loosing her first glory and enter into the darkness of the middle ages(if we can call church that thing). Every good thing waned in the church but it wasn't God's will. Out of  that darkness the church emerged and God is restoring her first glory until the coming of the Lord. 
God never removed His gifts or His power from us,we are the ones,that we don't take what is freely given to us. We think that we can make it without the manifestation of the Spirit,something that even the Apostles couldn't do it .

Pastor Roger
When  Mark says that Jesus couldn't do mighty work in His town,obviously he didn't mean inability for the Lord's side. He couldn't because of their unbelief which was so big that He marvelled.
God does nothing to us by force. God wants everyone to be saved, and He did all that is necessary towards that cause through the death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ but all those who do not believe Him and what He did they will perish in spite God's willingness to save them.
Jesus was moved always with compassion healing the sick, the same Jesus is in you pastor Roger and He wants to reach out to the sick in your church and heal them but He have no hands to lay on them but your hands and no mouth to speak the word of healing but your mouth.










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Brother Jerry,of course not,as he couldn't lead to salvation anyone he wanted. The Lord Jesus in His town He COULDN'T(not wouldn't) heal anyone He wanted! Mark 6:5. 

Hello brothers, God bless you all.
These verses are for you brother Jerry.
And He said unto them,go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.He that believes and is baptized shall be saved;but he that believe not shallbe damned. And these signs shall follow THEM THAT BELIEVE;IN MY NAME SHALL THEY(the believers not the Apostoles)cast out devils;they shall speak with new tongues;they shall drink any deadly thing,it shall not hurt them ,THEY SHALL LAY HANDS ON THE SICK,AND THEY SHALL RECOVER.MARK 16:15-18
Is any sick among you?let him call for the elders of the church;and let them pray OVER HIM,anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord;and the PRAYER OF FAITH SHALL SAVE THE SICK,ANDTHE LORD SHALL,RAISE HIM UP....JAMES 5:14-15
Did you notice in both cases is a definite "yes" answer,they shall recover and the Lord shall raise him up?
If we don't know God's will for an issue,the only prayer we can pray is "God reveal your wil for me on this issue" or if you want to answer you with yes or no, you ask "God is this your will?" The basic prerequisite to pray the prayer of faith YOU MUST KNOW GOD'S WILL.
Brother Tom, are you saying that there was a time God was healing the sick and now only comforts them?

Hello Marios,

Welcome to Christians Unite.

Unfortunately there are those today that take this teaching much too far. When God promises riches He is speaking of spiritual riches not earthly riches. today we see a Health and Wealth theology that is also called the Prosperity Gospel. It is a false gospel teaching. If it were true then no Christian would grow old and die or suffer from the many physical ailments that go with a fleshy body, especially those that accompany an aging body. Meeting our needs does not mean providing health and wealth.[/color]

Hello, Pastor Roger
Apostle Paul says to us,as far as concerning those who takes this teaching much too far,and they  supposing that gain is godliness ,that we should stay away from them. I TIM.6:5. Also he warned us that if we make purpose for our lives to become rich, this we lead us to destruction and perdition, because the LOVE of money(not the money) is the root of all evil. 1TIM.6:9-10.
Paul saying all these things,in the same letter,he is advising the rich of this world to not be proud and to not put their trust in the uncertain riches(he doesn't say that they should get rid of them) but in the living God,who gives us RICHLY ALL THINGS to enjoy. I think we should be careful,not out of fear of one extreme to fall in the other. God is a good Father,cares for His children more that we care for our own. Pastor Roger, did you pray ever for your children that somehow God will put them in poverty and lack? You don't want the best for them? I am sured you do. How much more our heavenly Father wants the best for us.
Let us go to the issue of healing. Is there an earthly father,who wants his child sick? The answer is obvious. How someone could come to the conclusion that God's will for us is sickness out of the Bible is amazing. The God of the Bible created man healthy and put him in paradise. This God makes covenant with Israel in His blessing is healing. He sent His Son to do His will and one main part of His ministry is healing the sick. The Lord Jesus sent His disciples to heal the sick. He commissioned all believers,of all times to lay their hands on the sick, promising that they shall recover and  after all these, God wants us sick,God wants to heals some not all, God sends sickness as a disguised blessing(but in the mean time we run to the doctor to get rid of the blessing).   

[Favorite Bible Quotes 492 - 1 Chronicles 16:8-12 Give thanks unto theLORD, call upon his name, make known his deeds among the people. 9Sing unto him, sing psalms unto him, talk ye of all his wondrousworks. 10 Glory ye in his holy name: let the heart of them rejoicethat seek the LORD. 11 Seek the LORD and his strength, seek his facecontinually. 12 Remember his marvellous works that he hath done, hiswonders, and the judgments of his mouth;]

Hello Marios Pontos,

WELCOME!

I sincerely hope that you enjoy Christians Unite, and I look forward in having fellowship with you. I think that I understand what you're saying - let's see. As Christians, our riches are in HEAVEN and beyond the imagination of man. What the world calls wealth is temporary. Thus, I know many strong Christians who are poor by the world's standards but RICH IN CHRIST. Likewise, SPIRITUAL HEALTH is forever IN CHRIST but temporary in this short life.

As Christians, we are Children of the KING OF KINGS, and this world has NOTHING to offer us. Our citizenship is in HEAVEN and so is our HOME FOREVER with JESUS CHRIST. I definitely understand your statement about Religion versus CHRIST. CHRIST is our ALL IN ALL!

Love In Christ,
Tom

Favorite Bible Quotes 492 - 1 Chronicles 16:8-12 Give thanks unto the
LORD, call upon his name, make known his deeds among the people. 9
Sing unto him, sing psalms unto him, talk ye of all his wondrous
works. 10 Glory ye in his holy name: let the heart of them rejoice
that seek the LORD. 11 Seek the LORD and his strength, seek his face
continually. 12 Remember his marvellous works that he hath done, his
wonders, and the judgments of his mouth;

Hello brother Tom.
I agree with all that you mention about riches in heaven and spiritual health in Christ. In few words  we should be heavenly minded and not earthly minded. But this doen't mean that spiritual riches and health are against prosperity and healing for the body in this life too.Actually is the opposite true. A heavenly minded man can live more in prosperity and health "accintetally" than an ealthy minded man who pursuits these blessings. Matthew 6:33 says that we should seek first the kingdom of God and His rightousness AND ALL THESE THINGS SHALL BE ADDED UNTO YOU.
Yes, is true that  is much better somebody to be poor by the standards of this world and rich in heaven but God WILLS to provide for ALL OUR NEEDS in this life too. The firt doesn't nullify the second.actually suports it.Philipians 4:19
Likewise with spiritual health and healing for our body. God wants to heal our bodies. jAMES 5:14-15
In His name
Marios

Christianity is not a religion.Religion is mancenter, christianity is Christcenter.The big defence of christianity is Jesus Christ the Savior.All religions do not have a savior.
Prosperity is a blessing from God. Poverty is a curse. Health is a blessing from God.Sickness is a curse.Deuteronomy 28.
Christ has redeem us from the curse of the law.