Speaking of which, how old are you Tibby? Just want to know if I'm debating against some hardheaded, 70-yr old man or something. I do not judge you, I simply try to show you my opinions as well. Your responses to my questions are all so vague anyways.

Show me how I've been judgmental and where in those lyrics it preaches rebellion. "Rightly divide the Word of truth, profit for doctrine and reproof, Rightly divide the Word of truth, understand scripture and its use" - that doesnt seem rebellious at all to me, it's telling us (as I said before that you managed to ignore) to be careful of how we interpret scripture and not to use it out of context.

"Would Christ ask someone something like that? Would Christ ask a prostitute that? Would Christ ask a Tax collector that? Would Christ call someone an “idiot” and a “fools” and an “arrogant [expletive]” what ever “[expletive]” originally. Would Christ say “Does anyone like you?” in an attempt to anger and upset them? Please, post like a Born-again Adult, or don’t post at all." - Obviously you missed the point I made that none of us are perfect (or you must believe only you are). Nevertheless, how can you compare anyone to Christ since He is perfect? I know I mess up a lot, and I'm sorry for stuff like that and if I offend you. I honestly dont understand why you had to put in your 2 cents when it doesnt help anything at all.

Remember, I'm only asking about those churches, not asking for your judgments or beliefs about them. I can decide for myself whether the church is something truly worshipful and God-honoring or not. It's not for you to try to lead me away from the kind of Christian fellowship I enjoy. I have met some incredible Christian metalheads who are continually having truth revealed to them everyday. My question to you is, do you believe God can speak to us outside of the Bible? Also, do you believe that people can corrupt our view of Christianity? And finally, what made you conclude that most of all talented Christian music doesnt belong in church? I think God would want us to show the talents He gave us.

Man you are an arrogant [expletive] arent you? You call me a hypocrite and then do exactly what I claim you do. What have I done that's been in my posts? I don't judge you, I can't see how I do. Prove some of this trash you're talking to me and then we'll see. I am certainly not self-righteous either, I can atleast admit when I'm wrong. You go on and on about this trivial issue just because you are so convinced you're the right one. Would Christ turn away prostitutes? No, they're sinners too, he'd forgive them. HOW DID THAT SONG PROMOTE REBELLION IN ANYWAY??? Its saying, be careful how you interpret the Bible! I obviously see now what a blind Christian you are, and I'm not saying I'm perfect, but if you got THAT idea from that song - seek counseling (Godly counseling). Does ANYONE at these forums like you?

Good lord are you an idiot, Tibby. Beethoven and Bach are overrated?!? The song is ABOUT God, not to Him?!? What difference is that going to make? If you know so much, you should know that song is a direct quote from Ecclesiastes 12 - so dont tell me its not God honoring. People dont want to hear "praise God" if they don't know who or what God is ABOUT! Don't be ridiculous, you're only proving why so many people don't like stereotypical Christians. "Christian porn"? You're carrying it a bit far now, aren't you? The fact is, I have changed for God, and if He sent an angel or messenger to tell me Christian metal is not pleasing to Him, I would not listen to it. You are so judgmental and you don't even realize it.

Who are you to tell people what's right to have in the house of God? I'm sure you be the kind of fool who'd turn away prostitutes and such because of your extreme judgment. God can use ANYONE AND ANYTHING. He created it, so don't tell me a musical style is displeasing to Him. The Bible and Scripture is not a toy for you to abuse and misuse to see whatever view you accept. Here's another song for you:

Liberal Mediocrity
Taking from The Word is a disgrace.
Politically Correct,
Tickle the ears and kill the faith.

Rightly divide The Word of Truth,
Profit for doctrine and reproof,
Rightly divide The Word of Truth,
understand Scripture and it's use.

Liberal Mediocrity
Modernistic tainted by the world.
Politically Correct,
Open mind is poisoned to death.

Read it, live it.
The Lord is coming for a spotless church.
Repentant, forgiven.
Not deceived by words of man.

Now does that sing about or to God? No, but that doesnt make it evil. Songs dont have to be blatantly Christian or fit your mold - its called creativity. Why do you obsess so much over this? Its not your call to tell people what should be a part of Christianity and what shouldn't. I'm not saying every church should play metal, I'm simply looking for one that I would enjoy going to.

You never addressed my main point: Worship comes in many forms, music is just one. I enjoy Christian contemporary and hymn songs, but I want some variety. God is not an angry old man waiting to squash anyone who thinks outside the box or chooses a different view - he created free will. I try to follow His Word, but none of us are perfect (sorry to burst your bubble). How can you not see how God can work through Christian metal? Another point you never addressed: How would you minister to those kinds of people? The Bible says to preach to every living creature - that includes metalheads, whether you like it or not. You go up to a metalhead with all the piercings and tatoos and try to preach your KJV to him, I guarantee he wont fall on his knees. There are many different ways to present the gospel, but you're just blind to God's power if you can't believe that he can use anything and anyone for His will. I'm taking a stand against people like you all the time, the judgmental and self-righteous Christians who have polluted our world. Seriously, you all are hurting everyone more than helping them.  

Yes, I've heard of the Beach Boys. I don't just like heavy metal either, but I know thats what I want to play. I like all kinds of stuff from SRV to Led Zeppelin to Hendrix to Beethoven and more.

[The Silver Cord Is Severed]

Find something unBiblical or evil in this Christian metal song:

The Silver Cord Is Severed

Remember God before the silver cord is severed
Or the golden bowl is broken
Remember your creator
In the days of your youth
Before the days of trouble come
And you find no pleasure in them
When the keepers of the house will tremble
And the strong men will stoop
When the grinders cease because they are few
And the sound of grinding fades
Are you a judge of another man?
Is your life just vanity?
Maybe look where you will stand?
On the day of your death!
Fear God and follow his commands
For this is the duty of man
God will bring every deed to judge
Including any hidden sin

The church doesn't have to conform to your ways either. There's nothing wrong with a church being "up to date".
It's ridiculous to consider a style of worship to be heretical. Jesus was with the times when he taught, knowing more of your environment will help you to conquer it. I never said I'm on a mission from God, I simply believe music ministry is my calling. I do agree that "Christian" rock/metal music should be labeled so carefully. How is rock/metal something of rebellion? Because our world has made it that. Nothing and no one has to conform to the world, just as music doesnt have to. And for your information, Christian "metalheads" happen to be some of the most spiritually mature and strong people I know. How is your statement against those types of people not judgmental? I say you all need to seriously loosen up. God is not this stiff and anti-fun God who will condemn music that praises Him only because of its sound/style. Bach and Beethoven were frowned upon by the church in their time for writing "horrible music that doesnt glorify God" because it wasnt traditional style. There we go again: tradition. Its all that stands in the way of our full possibilities as Christians/people. Traditional values are not always going to support us in these new times. People putting limits down is ridiculous. God wants us to be limitless, so he can use us to our full potential for His glory. None of you can deny that.

A KJV Bible believing Christian? Sounds like a close-minded, holier-than-thou, hypocritical "Christian" to me. Who says God cant be glorified through a different tuning and faster pace? Who says you have the right to judge something you've got no concept of at all? Who says that playing a different musical style is worldly? Hymns were worldly for their time. I really hope you see that not everything has to conform to your views.

Don't you think God is big enough to even work through heavy metal music? There's an entire group of metalheads out there that need to hear the gospel in a way thats appealing to them. Would you just say, "repent or suffer the wrath of hell when God shalt smite you"? While you'd be puritanical about it, I'd be sharing truth with them on their level. Christ used parables to interest the people and get his message through. Heavy metal can be used to interest people and also get the message through. I don't like re-stating this multiple times, but it seems as if you all don't get it.

Perhaps you'll never allow your minds and eyes to be opened, but atleast don't judge other people because they're different. As I said, Jesus was different. God has the only power to condemn and judge, and I believe it is my calling from Him to go into the music ministry, play the music I like and spread His message through the lyrics. Don't debate me on this, because you're all seriously coming off as pompous, pious hypocrites. Have I offended some of you here? Undoubtedly yes, but one day I will stand before God and answer for all I've done. While you're fruitlessly ministering in the ways of the colonial times, I'll be more up to date and using new tactics to help spread salvation. Get with the times. The world changes, so how do you expect to reach people the same way you'd have done several centuries ago? This is NOT ABOUT ME. This is about GOD. This is about doing what He has called me to do. This is about seeking His ways. If I can't be comfortable and enjoy worshipping God, its not truly worshipping Him and somethings wrong. I leave you with such an important verse again: John 7:24!

No it doesnt, but I think that kind of place would be a great idea to target today's youth. That is the kind of music everyone I know (including myself of course) is into. There are several Christian rock/metal bands that have become very well-known in the secular market because of their style - its spreading the truth in a modernistic way. I've also heard of these hardrock/metal churches that exist, but dont know any of their names.

Is there such a thing? I'm looking for a new church to start going to, particularly one with a more modern style of worship and is targeted to youth more. Something with a hardrock/metal worship style and not all hymns and contemporary. I live Austin TX, by the way, so there has to be something similar in this huge city/state!