[I know all the specifics of the doctrine of Eternal Security.I was saved in a Free Will Baptist Church On June 10 1990.Since that day, I have read the Bible, 23 times, from Genesisto Revelation. so I am quite familiar with the Scriptures.I graduated in the top 5 students with a 4.0 garde average from a Faith based Bible college in Arkansas in 2000.I have studied the doctrine of eternal security extensivelly, and have found that there are too many faults in it, to justify it's credibility.Main point being, all of Gods word is NOT used as an accurate and acceptable foundational basis for it's authencity.Let him who thinks he is secure be careful because he is capable of failing.Only our past sisn have been forgiven, no future sin can be forgiven until that sin has been confessed, common sense tells us that.No person can lose their salvation, I agree 100% with that factBUT anyone can forfeit their salvation.satan knows the word very well, he instituted the OSAS teaching, Not God..]

Evangelist I would recommend you read your Bible and study.  Go to it in prayer that Jesus will help you along.  The Bible tells us that if we go to Him in prayer that He will provide us the knowledge and understanding.  Follow up on the posts mentioned and I am sure there are others. 

I know all the specifics of the doctrine of Eternal Security.

I was saved in a Free Will  Baptist Church On June 10 1990.

Since that day, I have read the Bible, 23 times, from Genesis
to Revelation. so I am quite familiar with the Scriptures.

I graduated in the top 5 students with a 4.0 garde average from a
 Faith based Bible college in Arkansas in 2000.

I have studied the doctrine of eternal security extensivelly,
and have found that there are too many faults in it, to justify it's credibility.

Main point being, all of Gods word is NOT used as an accurate and acceptable
foundational basis for it's authencity.

Let him who thinks he is secure be careful because he is capable of failing.

Only our past sisn have been forgiven, no future sin can be forgiven until that sin
has been confessed, common sense tells us that.

No person can lose their salvation, I agree 100% with that fact

BUT anyone can forfeit their salvation.



satan knows the word very well, he instituted the OSAS teaching, Not God.

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No one is arguing the definition of prosperity. 
But what you have to realize is that God is the ultimate definer of what is prosperity for each and every person.

What happens is that when we decide that how prosperous we are is supposed to represent how faithful we are or how blessed we are by God is when we are not following the teachings of the Bible.  This is what the Jews had fallen into.  They were very big on financial wealth being a sign of God's blessings. 

We are to turn our entire lives over to God.  And thus in doing so it is up to Him to decide what is prosperous for us.  If God says that for me prosperity is living in a cardboard box under a bridge, then you can bet I will be thankful for what He has given me.  If God says that prosperity for me is living in a $500,000 home then I will be thankful for what He has given me.  It is not what I say or you say is prosperous.  The Bible lets us know it is what God says is prosperous.

Did I ever say the definition of prosperity was being wealthy?

No I did not.

I said Prosperity defined is having every need, Spiritually, Physically, and
Financially fully met, on time, everytime.

God promises he will do this, the subject of the thread is that having Prosperity is
evidence of apostasy.

THAT is what the author of the thread has implied, that any person who
seeks God for prosperity is an apostate.....

As I already said in accordance to 3 John 2 the word is "wish" not will. The original Greek word is "euchomai", meaning wish, by implication to pray to God: - pray. So it is not necessarily "Gods perfect desire, intent, and will that we prosper and be in health" as you portend.

 

The primary motive for every argumrent against prosperity,
and health, is jeaolousy, plain and simple.

Prosperity defined is having every need, Spiritual, Physical, and financial,
met, adequately, and on time every time.

Look that up in your Greek Dictionary, I did....

The key word here in the KJV is "thinketh". In the BBE is "seems to himself" and the ISV is "the person who thinks he is standing securely". We see in this chapter that it is speaking of those who are idolaters, fornicators and those that tempt Christ.

1Co 10:21  Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.

We are being told that we cannot be followers of God if we are followers after those things of the Devil. We cannot be followers of God if we have our eyes set on the things of this world.

No, Paul was not speaking to idolaters. He was speaking to the members of the church at Corinth.

The Apostle Paul was speaking to saved Christian believers, not unsaved unbelievers.

People who believe the eternal security lie will do anything to justify their license to sin. 

No where did I say that "prosperity is apostasy". Those are your words. It is when worldly prosperity and physical health above what is sufficient becomes the main focal point above the spiritual health and wealth of people that it becomes apostasy.

According to 3rd John 2, it is Gods perfect desire, intent, and will that we prosper and be in health.

Any teaching contrary to Gods perfect will, IS apostasy.

End Time

The verse that PR quoted as well as those that you cited.  You have to always remember their context and a couple of other items as well.  In the II Cor 9 that PR cited.  There is a word in there that is very very important, sufficiency.  God will bring His full grace upon us so that we will have all sufficiency in all things.  What we have to remember is what is sufficient.  God knows what is sufficient for us, God will provide that which is sufficient for us.  Even the verses you sited, we have to remember what is prosperous for us.  And who designates what is prosperous.  It is not us that determines that we are prosperous, or that anyone else is for that matter.  It is only up to God to determine that.  It is when we interject our own definitions of these things in that we come to problems.  When we say that "God needs $5 million dollars to do blah blah blah" that we have problems...God does not NEED anything we have.  That is sin interjecting and man saying that God needs something. 

There are examples after examples of how the Isrealites were prospering in their own terms, wealth, health, and power.  And they grew apostic.  When they truly prospered is when they were doing the will of God and prospered in their faith.  That is the true prosperity gospel we should be preaching.  It is not about money, cars, houses, positions, or anything else.  It is only about our prospering faith. 

The statement was made that prosperity is apostasy.

That would insinuate that any person who prospers, in any area
of their life, has no other hope other than that of being
labeled by god as an apsotate.

[Regarding Eternal Security, Security Of the Believer, Or Once Saved Always Saved,Please Comment On The Following Verse OF Scripture, which I Have Posted Using Three different Translations Of the Bible, And It's Effect On The Doctrine.1st Corinthians 10:12(KJV) Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.(BBE) So let him who seems to himself to be safe go in fear of a fall.(ISV) Therefore, the person who thinks he is standing securely should watch out that he does not fall.]

Regarding Eternal Security, Security Of the Believer, Or Once Saved Always Saved,
Please Comment On The Following Verse OF Scripture, which I Have Posted Using Three different
Translations Of the Bible, And It's Effect On The Doctrine.

1st Corinthians 10:12

(KJV)  Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

(BBE)  So let him who seems to himself to be safe go in fear of a fall.

(ISV) Therefore, the person who thinks he is standing securely should watch
out that he does not fall.

[If the Prosperity teaching is an apostasy doctrine, why did God say: Beloved I wish above all things that you would prosper and be in health, even as your souls prosper in 3rd John verse 2?And why did he urge David to say: Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favour my righteous cause: yea, let them say continually, Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.in Psalm 35 verse 27?It would seem to me that IF the doctrine ogf prosperity was a doctrine of apostasy, then certainlyGod wou;ld never delight in the prosperity of his servants, neither would he ever wish above allthings that his servants prosper!]

Apostasy And Prosperity


“And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work” (II Corinthians 9:.

One of the most tragic movements in Christendom today teaches that God promises to make each Christian prosper in material wealth. Suffice it to say, the Bible teaches no such thing, as seen in our text and elsewhere, but this false teaching is not new, and is associated with apostasy.

Consider Chapters 17 and 18 of the Book of Judges, which describes a period of rampant apostasy and confusion. The chapters provide character sketches of an itinerant Levite, the tribe of Dan, and a man named Micah. First we see that Micah steals 1100 shekels of silver from his mother, who then places a curse on the unknown thief. Micah, fearing the curse, confesses the crime. His mother tries to lessen the curse by dedicating all the money to the Lord, and converts 200 shekels into an idol. Micah places the idol with his others, and consecrates his son as priest, even though they are of the tribe of Ephraim. Later, he hires the Levite to be his priest and exclaims, “Now know I that the LORD will do me good, seeing I have a Levite to my priest” (Judges 17:13).

In the next chapter, spies of the Danites go to the priest for God’s blessing on their efforts to find land that they can conquer. When the marauders return, they recruit the Levite to a more prosperous position. He joins them, having stolen Micah’s idols, and establishes the tribal priesthood.

Each one in this story was confident that God would bless them materially because they had the trappings of religion. The common denominator was greed. Their desire for personal prosperity led them to a prostitution of the true worship of God. But whenever religion is “used” to justify the “love of money,” it suffers degradation. “Ye cannot serve God and mammon” (Matthew 6:24).

If the Prosperity teaching is an apostasy doctrine, why did God say:
Beloved I wish above all things that you would prosper and be in health, even as your souls prosper in
3rd John verse 2?

And why did he urge David to say: Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favour my righteous cause: yea,
let them say continually, Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.
in Psalm 35 verse 27?

It would seem to me that IF the doctrine ogf prosperity was a doctrine of apostasy, then certainly
God wou;ld never delight in the prosperity of his servants, neither would he ever wish above all
things that his servants prosper!
 

[HE accepts us, warts and all.]

HE accepts us, warts and all.
Love In Christ,
Tom

Psalms 139:16 NASB  Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Your book were all written The days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was not one of them.

WOW, now That statement really brings back some OLD memories!
The very first time I ever preached was in a Free Will Baptist Church in Arkansas, I took my text from 1st Samuel 16 verse 7 Man looks on the outward appearance, but God looks on the heart.

My entire message consisted of these words: 'No Matter what you like, even if you have WARTS on your face God still loves you and God will still accept you!

I was 17 years old.

My son and daughter in law both have tattoos, I love them both, and I KNOW Jesus loves them both.

My son plays drums in a Christian band, and my daughter in law is the leader of a Christian drama team in their church.

AND I am considering getting a tattoo myself....