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Theology / Apologetics / Re:Mormon
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on: January 22, 2005, 04:39:29 PM
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WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I went to the link you provided above for the website Wikipedia, which is where you got your quote "Mormonism is based on belief in Jesus as the Messiah." They are dead wrong, and probably have no clue to what they are really talking about. Please Sleeker, be very careful as to what you believe.
Messiah is a transliteration of the Hebrew word ‘masiah’, which means “the anointed One.” The Messiah was more than just a prophet or good man or a son of God (which the Mormons believe), HE IS GOD. The Jews knew who the Messiah was supposed to be, that He would be God in the flesh, and the Old Testament made this very clear.
As a young teenager, Joseph Smith saw a glorious pillar of light, which after resting upon Joseph became God the Father and Jesus standing next to each other and then they spoke to him. This is literally impossible according to the root meaning of the word Messiah since Jesus is in fact God the Father.
In other words, those who claim that Jesus is the Messiah yet claim He is anything other than Almighty God, are ignorant of the meaning and significance of who Messiah really is. Please Sleeker, do your homework before placing any trust or belief in a system of anti-biblical teachings and deceits. I'm not saying that they are right for doing that. I'm not condoning it in any way. I'm just saying they are Christians, but they are extremely radical and have a skewed vision of Jesus. By the way, Wikipedia is a very good and reliable site.
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Theology / Apologetics / Re:Faith and Deeds?
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on: January 22, 2005, 04:34:22 PM
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No it isn't compatable, The Bible teaches creation. Evolution, and against forum rules. Which you need to read. All I'll say is that is your interpretation of it, not mine.This is a warning Moderator All right, all right. I've read the rules and no where does it specifically mention evolution, but instead mentions stuff about the Bible, which is subject to individual interpretation. I'd add evolution in there somewhere, so that nobody else gets the idea that you can talk about it. Anyways, I'll stop talking about evolution.You know...Maybe you'd better look toward some other profession...This astrophysicist thingy isn't looking too good my friend. I actually think astrophysics is a great field for me to go into.God hasn't hid His truth from us my friend. He actually provided us with a really neat book...it's caled the BIBLE...you really should read it, it's quite good! So, what's the truth about the meaning of life?I'm sorry that you feel that God is a bigot. He is not, but if he bases salvation on being a Christian who believes in Jesus as the Son of God, or to a harsher degree, only Protestants, and not being inherently good, then I've lost some (not most) respect of him.
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Theology / Apologetics / Re:Faith and Deeds?
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on: January 22, 2005, 01:11:42 PM
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I am not being ignorant. The truth is one of the questions you asked was about Salvation. A Christian would have known the answer because the answer is what it takes to become a Christian. I was wondering about the finer points in the Protestant stance of salvation. I got them. The main thing I was wondering was if there is an exception to some non-Christians for salvation. You said there was no exception. I believe that's just discriminating against them, in fact, a form of bigotry in my opinion, and is used as a threat to try and convince conversion.
Anyways, I'm a Christian. It's that simple.
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Theology / Apologetics / Re:National Geographic slams Christians!
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on: January 22, 2005, 01:05:06 PM
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Was I addressing you on that post? I don't believe you were even a poster here at that time.
In our exchange, you brought it up first. (this is childish isn't it?) Irrelevant. You made a post where you cited "evidence" against evolution. It was wrong. I needed to make the correction about the transitional fossils.By the way. I am presently building a web site which, among other things, presents strong, clear evidence for creation and against evolution.
As soon as it's complete, I will invite you to visit and learn the real facts, as opposed to the garbage and outright fraud you have picked up in school. I've never been taught evolution in school. The closest thing to evolution taught to me was in 8th grade when we had a section in the science book talking about how the solar system was made (which was old news to me). I've always believed in evolution, and not in creation, which was taught to me non-stop at Sunday School. Anyways, your soon-to-be site probably won't be in the same league as TalkOrigins.Org.
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Theology / Apologetics / Re:Faith and Deeds?
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on: January 22, 2005, 12:55:21 PM
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This was evident from the start. Christians wouldn't have asked such questions. They would already know those answers. All right, now you're just being ignorant and ignoring the facts.
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Theology / Apologetics / Re:Faith and Deeds?
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on: January 22, 2005, 12:46:14 PM
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So, now your a Mormon huh? I said, "I'm also trying to represent those who have no other representatives (like Mormonism in the other thread, of which I'm a part of..." Sorry if that was confusing, but that means I'm part of the thread. I worded that poorly, but if you've listened to me in other posts, you would've already have known I'm not Mormon.There is only one Truth my friend and if you refuse to acknowledge Him and follow only Him you will condemn yourself to eternal fire. It's not pretty, but it's what God has warned us about my friend. There is only one Holy Bible - if you accept anything else, you will walk willingly into the pit of dispair - it will be of your own choosing my friend, so don't blame God, He has clearly warned us all, we either obey Him or we chose our own destiny...Hellfire. I thought only God knows the Truth. We can't understand all of God's works. Surely you're not comparing yourself to him?Told you he wasn't a Christian. Yet, you are wrong.
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Theology / Apologetics / Re:Faith and Deeds?
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on: January 22, 2005, 12:38:15 PM
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Yes...? Is there a problem with being a Christian evolutionist? (Hint: There isn't.) I won't get into evidence for evolution, I'll just try to convince people that it is compatible.
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Theology / Apologetics / Re:Faith and Deeds?
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on: January 22, 2005, 12:24:55 PM
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Pastor Roger don't waste your time with this guy. Just look at the rest of his posts here, he's no Christian. This wannabe future astrophysicist is a troll - there's no doubt in my mind that there's no mind in his doubt. Ahh... I must've missed this post. I'm Christian, and have been my whole life. I don't get what my wanting to be an astrophysicist has to do with anything. I'm not trolling, I'm just trying to gain a better understanding of the Protestant beliefs. I'm also trying to represent those who have no other representatives (like Mormonism in the other thread, of which I'm a part of, and evolution in a different thread, which I do believe, but I try to show how it fits with the Bible).
Edit: I do believe the description of this particular forum is "Defend the faith, or ask questions." I'm defending my faith and others, and if you have a slightly different faith (since we're all Christians, so it won't be too different), you can defend your faith, and in this thread, I was just asking questions.
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Theology / Apologetics / Re:Faith and Deeds?
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on: January 22, 2005, 11:59:01 AM
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I'll let the scriptures answer that for you as it is quite clear.
Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. That's the part I don't like. I just don't believe the non-Christians are doomed to hell forever. Now that I've gotten a clearer picture of the Protestant teachings, I don't feel the need to post in this thread anymore, unless I must respond to someone after me.LOL! Theres the root of your problem Sleeker, You believe "in" the Bible, and you obviously dont believe "it" True believers dont try to override Gods Word with human reasoning I also believe that true believers don't go around saying that he/she is a true believer, kind of like real war heros don't talk about war much. Men are fallible. Men wrote the Bible. Not all of it will be true. Some parts are exaggerations, some parts are morals stories, but that's just my interpretation of it. You will obviously have a different interpretation of the Bible.
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Theology / Apologetics / Re:Mormon
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on: January 22, 2005, 11:49:08 AM
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You say your a Christian, then you make statements like that??? Which is it my confused friend? are you an evolutionist - a Mormon - or a Christian? There is only one truth, pick a side and go with it, get off the fence before your bum gets sore! Make up your alleged mind Sibbal! Bronzesnake I'm both an evolutionist, and a Christian (not of the Mormon sect either).THEY USE "slight modifications" of the bible they have there own bible which isnt a bible and they have changed so many times its redicilous and to have additional testaments and teachings. Is totally saying that I dont believe that God knows what he's talking about so im going to change this so it agrees with me and since the Bible is God breathed or inspiried. your messing with God's word and also these people are polythesistic because they dont believe in the Trinity they see it as three gods seperate. And they believe they themselves can be God to. Also its a matter of there salvation they dont have any. They are lost. The world might consider them a sec of Christianity but they are not. They are one of those groups who are off seperate and think they believe in what believe in but they dont. And some of those other groups you mentioned Sleeker they aren't Christians either because they dont believe that salvation is permnant and comes from and through Jesus Christ dying on the cross for our sins and raising up again.
It's all relative. You believe they aren't Christians because they are so radical. They probably believe all the other Christians are extremely conservative who don't want to change. If another sect of Christianity comes by that's even more radical than Mormonism, they'll think that both Mormonism and the rest of Christianity is really conservative.
"Mormonism is based on belief in Jesus as the Messiah." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism
"The Christian religion, founded on the life and teachings of Jesus." http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Christianity
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Theology / Apologetics / Re:National Geographic slams Christians!
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on: January 22, 2005, 11:34:56 AM
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Ah...ya you did start it. You said Anyways, "there are transitional fossils"
Sounds to me like you pretend to be an educated person, but your own words betray you. Actually, I just realized, you brought evolution up. This is from the first post:
"I wonder if the fact that the absolute lack of even a single series of transitional fossils, which caused die-hard evolutionists to produce many fake "missing links" to prove their case, turned the general population onto the fact that macro-evolution only exists in the minds of anthropological fanatics!"
I can't just let a misconception go, so I felt like I had to comment.
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Theology / Apologetics / Re:Faith and Deeds?
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on: January 22, 2005, 11:31:31 AM
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I'll end the line of can a bad Christian go to heaven, and start the line of can a good non-Christian go to heaven. Say, would Gandhi be able to go to heaven, or must you accept Jesus and your Savior?
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Theology / Apologetics / Re:Mormon
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on: January 22, 2005, 10:54:59 AM
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"Christianity and Mormonism [/size][/b][/u] Mormonism is a form a Christianity in the sense that it traces its roots back to the teachings of Christ, and uses the same Old and New Testaments with only slight modifications and additional testaments and teachings. However, its practices are very different from contemporary Protestant and Catholic Christianity. Many Protestant and Catholic sects exclude it from Christianity entirely, and subjected Mormons to a great deal of persecution during the early years of the Church. For an extensive and detailed explanation see the following articles discussing differences and similarities." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity#Christianity_and_Mormonism [/color]
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Theology / Apologetics / Re:Faith and Deeds?
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on: January 22, 2005, 01:31:25 AM
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If he truly believed and truly repented of His sins.
Is there a certain way he has to repent? Or could he just have said, "I'm sorry for what I did," immediately before he committed suicide?
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Theology / Apologetics / Re:Mormon
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on: January 22, 2005, 01:29:49 AM
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I don't see where you got your definition of "cult." I still think they are just really, really radical Christians.
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