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Welcome / About You! / Re:ABout Me (I'm not new)
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on: May 18, 2004, 06:58:46 PM
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I know the answers, but.. then again I don't
I'm confused kinda. One more thing. They NEVER act christian. They act... so wrong. I ask them if they are christian and they say "Yeah" and when I ask them stuff like "do you do this ..." they just try to change the subject or say "I don't care. I believe in God and that's final"
It makes me mad...
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Theology / Apologetics / Re:Pentocostals and United Pentocostals
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on: May 18, 2004, 06:36:42 PM
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Here is my proof God is Jesus:
The Jews therefore said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am." Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple. (John 8:57-59)
"I and the Father are one." The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God." (John 10:30-33)
And Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in Me does not believe in Me, but in Him who sent Me. And he who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me. I have come as light into the world, that everyone who believes in Me may not remain in darkness." (John 12:44-46)
And so when He had washed their feet, and taken His garments, and reclined at the table again, He said to them, "Do you know what I have done to you? You call Me Teacher and Lord; and you are right, for I am. If I then, the Lord and the Teacher, washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet." (John 13:12-14)
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how do you say, 'Show us the Father'?" (John 14:6-9)
Some say, If Jesus (Y'shua as his hebrew name is) was GOD, then he could not have sacrificed his life. The truth is, He was GOD in the FLESH.
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Theology / Debate / Re:Some Facts
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on: May 18, 2004, 06:19:30 PM
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Ummm, I get what you posted, I think... So, your not catholic? I get that much.
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Theology / Debate / Some Facts
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on: May 15, 2004, 03:07:35 AM
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According to the Handbook for Today’s Catholic, page 47, "If you die in the love of God but possess any ‘stains of sin,’ such stains are cleansed away in a purifying process called purgatory. These stains of sin are primarily the temporal punishment due to venial or mortal sins already forgiven but for which sufficient penance was not done during your lifetime." The Catholic Catechism, paragraph 1030, says that purgatory is for "All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation, but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven." Among the many doctrines that Catholicism claims to be derived through Sacred Tradition, purgatory is one of the most interesting and puzzling, particularly to a Protestant. In light of the Pauline doctrine of justification by grace through faith, how is it possible that an afterlife cleansing through punishment is necessary for a Christian who has trusted in Jesus to cleanse him from all His sins? Wasn't Jesus' punishment for our transgressions sufficient? Didn’t He take our place in that He suffered our death? It would seem that the words of Christ, "It is finished," (John 19:30) do not mean that the cleansing of our souls was completed on the cross. Of course, Roman Catholic doctrine states that eternal life is bestowed upon the one who receives baptism (Catechism, par. 1265 - 1266, 1992). It is the stains of the sins committed after baptism and not removed through penance, good works, prayers, the Mass, etc., that are removed in the fires of purgatory (Handbook for Today's Catholic, page 47). In light of the doctrine of justification by faith (Rom. 5:1), where Jesus bore all of our sins, purgatory would seem to have no theologically justifiable right to exist. But the Bible alone is not appealed to by Catholic theologians in support of Purgatory. By far, the main support for Purgatory is found in the Catholic doctrine of Sacred Tradition. Nevertheless, what does the Bible say about justification, punishment, and our sins? They are cleansed, they are purifed by the death of Jesus Christ. Jesus bore our sins in His body, paid the penalty for them, and died. He said, "It is finished." In Greek, the phrase, "It is finished" is one word, "tetelestai". In ancient Greek (Roman?) papyri texts that were receipts for taxes, when a debt was paid in full, the word "tetelestai", was written on the document. This meant that the debt had been paid in full. In other words, Jesus had finished the work of atonement. But not only atonement (to make amends, to make right), but also of propitiation (turning away God’s wrath). He had fully paid the debt invoked by the sinner. There was nothing more to be done... It was finished. Yet, the doctrine of Purgatory, in effect, is saying that we must suffer in purgatory for sins not ‘covered by baptism’ and not covered by the cross. It is to say that the work of Christ is not finished and that there are things we must do to complete the sacrificial, cleansing work of Christ. This amounts to earning heaven by our good works, albeit, a work of suffering. Additionally, the doctrine of Purgatory implies that a person must atone for his own sins. It implies that the person must do more than what the Law of God requires of him. This is called supererogation. When Jesus said, "It is finished," all that was necessary in the atonement was concluded and all in Christ were justified. We cannot complete or add to Christ’s work through our suffering. Purgatory is not only unnecessary, but it contradicts God’s word.
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Entertainment / Music / Re:Christian Rock/Metal
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on: May 15, 2004, 03:01:45 AM
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LOL! This place is getting run over by you guys! Well, ANYWAYS, back on topic: I like Termaze, from melbourne australia (or some other autralian place). They have awsome lyrics.
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Welcome / About You! / ABout Me (I'm not new)
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on: May 15, 2004, 02:43:02 AM
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Hello, I already posted an introduction, yet, I just now thought of posting stuff about My belifs:
I am Pentocostal, Born Agian. If any one else is, PM me.
Many of my friends are of all denominations. Baptist (i used to be baptist), methodist, lutheran, prespyterian(sp?), and even catholics.
I have a question concerning "Cussing." Almost ALL of my friends (mainly the catholic and prespiterian ones) say that smoking, fonication, and pervertion (you know, stupid nasty people) is not wrong. Most ear Mary around their necks and crosses, and they still do drugs and stuff. My question is, Is cussing and drugs a sin. I think it is. For one thing, Cussing is insulting, drugs are like self mutilation. I know Fornication is a sin along with the perverted stuff.
Another thing, if you plan to marry a girl, and you have sex BEFORE your wedding night or around before, is it considered fornication.
Please, I want people to answer these cuz it has been rattling my brain for the past week. THANKS!
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Theology / Debate / Evidence for stuff.
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on: May 15, 2004, 02:18:18 AM
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I kno, I know. NO ADVERTISING. But as fellow christians, you MUST understand this. For God is the father and we MUST know more: You said something besides john or jack or joe Chick or whatever his name was right? Well, here: http://www.carm.org/ look on the navagational bar an see what it says FOR EVERYTHING. I know advertising here is wrong, but as I said, Christians SHOULD know MORE about other things and also Christianity it'sself more. This site helps alt. Some stuff, is kinda odd and confusing, and one thing is against my beliefs, but all the same, a great site. PLEASE! This has to be done.
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Entertainment / Music / Re:Christian Rock/Metal
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on: May 02, 2004, 03:17:59 PM
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You made it sound modern. God said NOT to change his words.
Also: You guys split one of the ten commandments, and took one away.
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Theology / Debate / Re:Allah or Jesus?
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on: May 02, 2004, 03:13:36 PM
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I don't even know who Jack Chick is. I just found the site, and it was toward my beliefs, and was acurate.
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Theology / Debate / Re:Allah or Jesus?
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on: May 01, 2004, 11:29:42 PM
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We know all about Chick Publications. They have been exposed numerous times for there lies and slander. If you are ever in a situation where you need to make a Priest laugh, then the knowledge you gained from Jack Chic might come on handy. If you want some Anti-Catholic Recourses, I would go with some more credible sources. PM Petro, he can give you plenty of good sources for the errors in Catholic Doctrine. He has plenty of good info for you.
Actually, what you have posted just now, dissed my beliefs, calling it "slander." Lay off. Not only thiat, it's true. I bet no one has even read that stuff. Historically it is all true. The catholic religion has lied for a long time, The Pope means nothing well.
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