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2311  Theology / General Theology / Buddhism on: July 22, 2003, 12:20:38 PM
Can you be Buddhist and Christian? Why or why not?
2312  Theology / Apologetics / Re:Is It Right? on: July 22, 2003, 03:03:20 AM
Have you taken the test? The NIV says the same things any other bible (other then the OKJV, that is) says, but it paraphrases. It is more accurate then, say, the KJV. Why do you think they made the New King James Version? To correct the mistakes in the older one, the mistakes revealed in the text. It has been edited and changes so many time over the pass few years, and there are cases where the KJV says just the opposite of what every other Version says. It was the King James Version that incorrectly names the Reed Sea the Red see.  It was also this version that used “week” to describe a 7-year period.

Petro, The Jehovah’s Witness use the New World Version. They read the NIV like a Protestant would read the New American bible, during research. The JW believe the NIV has many errors.

I guess it all boils down to this: most translations still carry the most important messages from God, but to read just one is foolish. Sorry, it is late (or early, depending on how you look at it Grin), and what I’m starting isn’t the most coherent, but you get what I'm saying  
2313  Welcome / Questions, help, suggestions, and bug reports / Re:Idea for the forum on: July 22, 2003, 02:33:07 AM
Have you been to the Theogoly Board lately? How about Apologetics? We DO talk about this stuff. If we are talking about blood transfusions or Gods and one of the parties was Morman, we would would be at odd, even before we start our Denomination. If we were talking about the Pope and one of the parties is Catholic, we are already at odds, You don't need to tell me you are Adventist, you would still speak out against it. Posting Denominations, that is just for our imformation. We we are going to argue about an issue, we are going to argue.
2314  Welcome / Questions, help, suggestions, and bug reports / Re:Refreshments??!! on: July 22, 2003, 12:51:21 AM
Yeah, lets call! Someone, find the number!

SniperSpy- Bro, why all the aggression? Have we done something to offend you?
2315  Theology / Apologetics / Re:Is It Right? on: July 22, 2003, 12:30:39 AM
God in Heaven, Jason , what are you taking over there in Philly? Zoloft? Prozac? Or are you just tired of everyone arguing, and no one listening? lol, When you realize no one wasn’t to listen to what you have to say, and that no one here is going to change what they believe no matter what, it does get dull. lol

Allinall- I’m impressed Grin I bow to you, sir.
2316  Theology / Apologetics / Re:New International Version Bible Authority Test on: July 21, 2003, 05:39:04 PM
I hate to break it to your pastor friend, but Matthew 5:44, Matthew 27:2, Matthew 27:35, Mark 3:15, Luke 7:28, Luke 9:55, Luke 9:56, Luke 22:14, Luke 23:38, Luke 24:42, John 3:13, John 7:50, Acts 9:6, Acts 24:8, First Timothy 3:16, First Peter 4:14, and Revelation 1:11 are ALL in the NIV. Look it up in your book, look it up in bible gateway, go to your local Christian books store and look for those verse in as many copies of the NIV as you can, it is in all.

Conclusion: Either this so-called Pastor doesn't have any idea what he is talking about, or he does but he thinks he is preaching to idiots! And when reading the misses verse, and comparing them to the verse in other bibles, you will find the "misses" verse are in fact there, in the context. See, the Verses and Chapter was made by man, not God, and where added Centuries after the fact. They are a guild to help in study, not a requirement, Christians read it for ages without Chapters and Verse, and did fine. If you base your belief that the NIV is corrupt because the guy told you, perhaps your should rethink this belief.
2317  Theology / General Theology / Re:What do you think of President Bush? on: July 21, 2003, 03:57:34 PM
I really don’t think we need this topic in more then one thread, but ok…

Defense: He is spreading us to thin. MAYBE he could have pulled it off if his Predecessor hadn’t cut Defense spending to drastically. For now, the majority of our troops are in the States still, but we need to stop playing the Interational Cops. No one likes cops!

Economy: I’m a laissez-faire Economist, and I think he is doing poor job, just by don't something!

Religion: I have to ask why you guys don’t think he is a Christian? What has he done?

Intelligence: You don’t graduate from 2 Ivy League’s and a State accredited University and train to fly a Fighter Jet with a low level of intelligence.

He is main problem is he is trying to please all of the people all of the time. He needs to stop that, and just be the President, don’t his job. His job is to help run the country, not please the ignorant masses.
2318  Welcome / Questions, help, suggestions, and bug reports / Re:Refreshments??!! on: July 21, 2003, 03:44:32 PM
No, just your average American movie goer  Wink
2319  Prayer / Prayer Requests / Prayer for sevreal things on: July 21, 2003, 12:50:43 PM
I have a small list. lol, if yo uwant, pray for "That stuff" GOd knows Wink and he will do his will regardless.

1. Because my Hich School only requires 3 years of math, my last year of schools had no math in it, and now I'm going into college. Thrusday is my Freshmen Orientation for College, and I have to take a placement test for math. If I don’t do good, since my school doesn’t offer remedial course, I will have to shell out 300 bucks and spend a semester in a Math class that doesn’t even count at a Jr. College across town, like a 30 minute drive from the Campus! I’ve been getting some sites and studying, so please pray that I remember something about Sophomore year math, and pass the test with a descent grade!

2. This is a 2 parter: I was very pleased a while back then I found NASA, it is an all natural Strength Sports Organization, and one of the best I’ve seen. Anyways, in this little corner of Texas, Football owns, and many of the star high school jocks are… shall we say, not clean. Anyways,  ever sense I found this group, I’ve been building up my team to go to East Texas Regionals in October ever since. I know if we place high, we will gain local attention, and the people will see you don’t need supplements or illegal drugs to get big and strong.
As you know I’m starting College next year, my first year in college, and I’ve heard it is the hardest, because your still trying to get used to it. So, I need prayer, for team, that we can win and spread the good news of all natural to the area, and for me, that God lights a fire under me that makes me works as hard in the classroom (and outside study) as I do in the gym, because if I’m not doing good when October comes, the meet is off! Thanks guys. I know it doesn’t seem like much, But I’m freaked about not doing very good in college, and lifting is my lift.
2320  Theology / Apologetics / Re:Is It Right? on: July 21, 2003, 12:21:31 PM
If you think that the NIV is corrupt then what Bible version do you think is right?  How do you know that the version that you have is right?  I read from the KJV.  My dad goes nuts and says that, that one is the most correct, but is it?

Kris

No, we talked about this in another post. The NKJV was written in another version of English that we speak. Not only was it written in a Dialect used in Britton, but a Dialect used in Britton centuries ago!

Where has saved_4_ever been? Either way, this should bring him out of hiding Grin

Allinall- Yeah, and John the Baptist baptized people in the Jordan river, not a bath tub. The Jordan, as I’m sure you know, is a mess. It was a sacrifice to get dunked there. Where were you baptized? the bible also says to cut off body parts that causes us to sin. Are you without sin, or do you type with your tongue? When Jesus was doing the first lord’s supper, and he told us to “do it in remembrance of me,” he was eating a full meal with his buddies. They where not munching in a cracker and grape juice. But when was the last time YOU ate a full Passover meal for the Lord supper? A lot of things we do in the church today don’t follow thing TO THE LETTER. That is a problem with our Doctrine, not your translation. On top of that, it looks like you have taking the definitions from the strong’s-like books. These books are good for study, but they are pretty vague, and they only tell the Lateral Translation, not the Connotation of the word, not what it REALLY meant. Think of if you told a non-native speaker to “Get up” In his own language. He would think “How can I TAKE up? How can I get raise from the bed?” That is the same problem we have with the Greek Dictionaries some times.
2321  Welcome / Questions, help, suggestions, and bug reports / Re:Refreshments??!! on: July 21, 2003, 01:23:27 AM
But we don't want water! We want coke and popcorn and candy, and all at prices WAY over the normaly price!  Grin
2322  Welcome / Questions, help, suggestions, and bug reports / Re:Refreshments??!! on: July 20, 2003, 08:21:32 PM
Good question. The Admin need to look into that!  Grin
2323  Theology / Apologetics / Re:Is It Right? on: July 20, 2003, 08:15:48 PM
I was just joking about the church thing, we had some guess speakers, so my church ran a little long and I had to run a few errands afterward, so by the time I got back, the thread was 10-12 posts bigger, and not small post either. I was joking around, don’t sweat it.

Yeah, translation problems are a big thing. And the Crusaders did a good job of burning down the building holding the original texts, so we have some trouble getting our hands on the first manuscripts, or the first few copies. I advice, if you can’t get a hold of a good piece of the text in the old Hebrew and Greek, and you don’t speak fluent Hebrew and Greek (the ancient verse, not the modern), then you need to read several translations. When doing research, I read New international, New King James, New living, Amplified, New American, and in extreme cases, the Message. I mean, the chances of reading the verse in context in 5-6 different versions and getting a different meaning each time is highly unlikely.

 For the non-native English speakers reading the bible in English, I know they find the NIV to shed light in verse that where not clear in the NKJV or other popular version.
2324  Theology / Apologetics / Re:Is It Right? on: July 20, 2003, 03:34:13 PM
You people have been busy this morning, doesn’t anyone go to Church anymore :-D lol A

Back to the NIV really fast, to add my 2 cents. How about you read the verse above and below the those “missing” verse in the NIV. They are there, they are just mixed in with other verses. The bible was not written in Chapter and Verse, this was done by the Roman Catholic Church. I mean, there a verse that start with AND! They will split phrases mid-sentence, and all this does is help make it easier for guys like good ol’ Benny to make them say what he wants.

Speaking of which, who is this Pastor your keep quoting!? He is like Jack Chick, only he seems to have it in for ALL Christians! Tell me, what does htis guy beleive? Does he have any beleif other then that everyone else is wrong? Lets see a post where he is tell why what HE beleives is true, not about what we beleive is fault. Lets try and built up, not tear down! Instead of telling us what we beleive is wrong, post a link from him telling us what he beleives in RIGHT.
2325  Theology / General Theology / Re:owls, frogs. on: July 20, 2003, 10:53:43 AM
I have no idea, but I would have guesses she meant spatial cleaning. Then you go from room to room, praying a blessing over your house, and asking God to protect it. But I’ve never heard of “owls and frogs” so I did a wed search, and found a page that explain “These are classified among the creatures mentioned in Deut. 14:7-19 as being unclean and abominable. They are types of demon spirit”

The whole page is here
http://www.lakehamiltonbiblecamp.com/manual/clean1.htm

Why those people use owls and frog out of all the Animal’s mentioned unclean, God only knows, and I’m sure even he wishes he didn’t. Some people… It sounds a little too Spooky Spiritual for me.
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