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Title: Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: JudgeNot on June 19, 2004, 08:57:32 PM
I just listened to a live interview with Ray Bradbury, author of Fahrenheit 451.  He is “incensed” (to say the least) that Michael Moore stole his title without permission.  (FYI: 451 degrees fahrenheit is the temperature at which a book burns.)  All I’ve heard about Michael Moore indicates he has never told a truth.  What do you think about Michael Moore, and do you think his movies are actually “documentaries” or fictional opinion?  I know for a fact that his ‘documentary’ “Bowling for Columbine” was an absolute lie and had no basis on reality.  He (Mr. Moore, in my opinion) is a master at directing his editors to snatch parts and pieces of different speeches and splicing them together to make the viewer believe someone is saying what Mr. Moore wants him to say to meet his own agenda.
Are you planning on supporting Mr. Moore by paying his to watch his latest “documentary’ Fahrenheit 9/11???


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Scoundrel on June 20, 2004, 11:52:30 AM
Well, I have to agree with you amigo, he is a liar and a fraud:  A false witness, not just about who he is and what his agenda is, but he uses the editing room to make it appear as though other people are lying.  He is not driven by a desire to spread the truth or help people, he is driven by a liberal agenda.

He talks about a horrible tragedies that should be talked about, examined, and most of all prayed over but he uses them as a way to get attention for himself and to accumulate money. :-[


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Sapphire W34P0N on June 23, 2004, 09:30:47 PM
Yeah, well, what did you expect? If Moore hadn't done it, someone else would have. People are stupid like that.


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: JudgeNot on June 23, 2004, 10:42:57 PM
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People are stupid like that.
Now THAT is a profound quote.  No kidding.  Fact.  

I think I'll make a sign for my office.  Although I'm sure I'll get some raised eyebrows when I attribute the quote to "Sapphire W34P0N".  If they inquire "Who is that?" I'll just look them in the eye and say "Where ARE you FROM?  Mars???"
 ;D


Let's see; 37-16=21+2004=2025.  Sapphire for president in 2025!  (That is if the Lord doesn't come for us before then!)


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Sapphire W34P0N on June 23, 2004, 11:50:09 PM
Whoa. Where did all THAT come from?


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Tibby on June 24, 2004, 03:25:18 AM
I might go see it. I haven’t been     ed off at the Movies in a long time (not since Godzilla) ;D


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Shammu on June 27, 2004, 11:06:53 PM
I just listened to a live interview with Ray Bradbury, author of Fahrenheit 451.  He is “incensed” (to say the least) that Michael Moore stole his title without permission.  (FYI: 451 degrees fahrenheit is the temperature at which a book burns.)  All I’ve heard about Michael Moore indicates he has never told a truth.  What do you think about Michael Moore, and do you think his movies are actually “documentaries” or fictional opinion?  I know for a fact that his ‘documentary’ “Bowling for Columbine” was an absolute lie and had no basis on reality.  He (Mr. Moore, in my opinion) is a master at directing his editors to snatch parts and pieces of different speeches and splicing them together to make the viewer believe someone is saying what Mr. Moore wants him to say to meet his own agenda.
Are you planning on supporting Mr. Moore by paying his to watch his latest “documentary’ Fahrenheit 9/11???

I saw it, I won tickets to see it here. ::)
From now one I will be boycotting all of Michael Moores movies. I also hope that other Christians will as well. The Man rearanged everything he wanted in a different order to please himself and slander Bush. Some of the stuff he has lies about, putting words in Bush's mouth.
I pray other Christians will boycott his movies from now on.


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: dnatree on June 30, 2004, 05:46:35 PM
Warning to Religious that have read scripture but never knew spirit. The changes in the coming months will cause the great falling away because those that have been hiding behind a veil of religion will be exposed!! Those that understand the "true intention of my heart" may wish to help others understand what I am saying.

Fahrenheit

The Coming Fire, So Hot, it will melt the veil between YOU and I in this country, and leave those that are HIDING behind a veil of religion or interpretation with nowhere left to hide.

Leaders Lead Astray/ Vote True Servants/

The smallest of points overlooked, by those that wish to control us, will soon alter the largest of equations and render all the interpretations meaningless.

The veil of interpretation is what is separating you and I

Let my anger tear the veil separating YOU and I
For to put the wrath on you is to be angry at ones self

The veil of interpretation which is being used by the right to control others was not given them by God but is a product of interpretation/ the truth will soon alter that premise and render all such interpretations meaningless.  P. Steven Spence



 



Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: JudgeNot on June 30, 2004, 08:15:34 PM
huh?   ???


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11 Do NOT Boycott
Post by: Elphaba on July 02, 2004, 12:20:50 AM
Why should Christians boycott this movie? Why can't you let other Christians view it for themselves, and make up their own minds?
This movie is not full of lies, but tries to reveal some truths about the Bush administration.

I'll be praying for all Christians to See the Movie and NOT boycott it, and to have an OPENED mind.


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Reba on July 02, 2004, 12:26:03 AM
I might go see it. I haven’t been     ed off at the Movies in a long time (not since Godzilla) ;D

Godzilla vs Bambi  One of the best movies! Not a waist of time!


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Reba on July 02, 2004, 12:31:59 AM
Mom told me a million years ago not to go to a movie i wouldn't want to take Jesus with me to see..... :(  

wanta guess how many movies we go to....


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: nChrist on July 02, 2004, 01:11:17 AM
I just listened to a live interview with Ray Bradbury, author of Fahrenheit 451.  He is “incensed” (to say the least) that Michael Moore stole his title without permission.  (FYI: 451 degrees fahrenheit is the temperature at which a book burns.)  All I’ve heard about Michael Moore indicates he has never told a truth.  What do you think about Michael Moore, and do you think his movies are actually “documentaries” or fictional opinion?  I know for a fact that his ‘documentary’ “Bowling for Columbine” was an absolute lie and had no basis on reality.  He (Mr. Moore, in my opinion) is a master at directing his editors to snatch parts and pieces of different speeches and splicing them together to make the viewer believe someone is saying what Mr. Moore wants him to say to meet his own agenda.
Are you planning on supporting Mr. Moore by paying his to watch his latest “documentary’ Fahrenheit 9/11???


Oklahoma Howdy to JudgeNot,

WOW! - I don't know if I have an opinion on this one or not. You couldn't pay me a million dollars to go see this garbage. I would greatly prefer being thrown into a hornets nest or staked to an ant bed. In fact, I would rather be skinned alive and salted. Other than Moore being a complete idiot, he lies every time his mouth moves. DOCUMENTARY???   ???

I will say one thing for him, he's proven that a lying idiot can get rich in America. I'm sorry that I'm so shy and withdrawn on this subject.

Love In Christ,
Tom


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: nChrist on July 02, 2004, 01:23:04 AM
I might go see it. I haven’t been     ed off at the Movies in a long time (not since Godzilla) ;D

Godzilla vs Bambi  One of the best movies! Not a waist of time!

Oklahoma Howdy to Sister Reba,

 ;D   ;D  When compared to Moore's films, Godzilla vs. Bambi is a documentary. In fact, Godzilla is real and Moore is a figment of his own imagination.   ;D

UM?? - I wonder if Godzilla would be angry about being compared to Moore's films.   ;D

I might be able to finally sell those meteor helmets. I bet I would sell all of them in front of any theater showing Moore's cartoon.

Love In Christ,
Tom


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11 Do NOT Boycott
Post by: Tibby on July 02, 2004, 04:49:20 PM
Why should Christians boycott this movie? Why can't you let other Christians view it for themselves, and make up their own minds?
This movie is not full of lies, but tries to reveal some truths about the Bush administration.

I'll be praying for all Christians to See the Movie and NOT boycott it, and to have an OPENED mind.

I saw Bowling for Columbine and I am now reading his book. Take is from me, Truth and Michael Moore are not the best of friends.


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: SinkSF on July 12, 2004, 05:59:13 PM
Michael Moore speaks for everything that is wrong with this world. He is a blatant supporter of the evil liberal and gay agenda trying to push america away from God. we should all pray for him to wake up from his world of lies


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: melchizedek on July 24, 2004, 01:11:32 AM
Anyone else notice his choice in music? I'm not sure, but it's almost like he wanted you to be aware he was attempting to manipulate you. Which doesn't make sense, b/c manipulation works best when you're not aware of it...all combined to say I don't think it deserved the Palm D'Or.

Also, I felt horrible for wanting to laugh after seeing some of the images he chose to show. Not saying he shouldn't have shown them, just that a more consistent approach would've been more effective.

And I'd have never had the guts to shove a camera into a grieving woman's face. Just a personal note.


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: musicllover on July 28, 2004, 11:53:32 PM
I seen the Bowling for Columbine for English had to write a paper about it. I kept feeling something in my gut about this Columbine flim, but I've never heard of the Moore guy. I got a B in English when other of a different political agenda got A's.  At least now I know why I kept getting this feelings, God was warning me.
You will know them by the fruits they bare......makes me wonder about my English pro as well as Michael Moore.
My daughter seen this movie, and as hard nosed as she is thought it was a terrible movie, against our Pres, made him look bad, and didn't give many truths......and she is not a bush fan. (WOW IS ME :'()

have a good one,
musicllover


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Kristi Ann on July 28, 2004, 11:58:54 PM
I have never seen this movie and don't know if I can..  :'(


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: steven john on July 29, 2004, 09:09:51 AM
In what way is Michael Moore a teller of lies? From what I can see he is one of a few people who's willing to stand up for the voiceless - as Jesus would surely have done. As a true believer in justice, I'm very concerned that you would happily criticise Mr Moore for attempting to highlight injustice and yet say nothing of President Bush's constant deception of the American people.

Surely as Christian's, we cannot stand by idle while the President sends innocent people to their deaths, lies about WMD's, sells arms to dictators, and sells out the American people so he and his close friends can get even richer and more powerful. This my friends is surely true evil.

We're living in a world where a a small handful of powerful people are pulling all the strings and have a vested interest in keeping the rest of us dumb. Believe me - Mike Moore is not one of them.

Please, please, please see the film - and realise there's a lot more going on in this world than President Bush would want you to believe.


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: musicllover on July 29, 2004, 11:44:16 AM
Steven,
        howdy do, I can't speak about the seeing the movie 9/11 only about the producer. And becuase of the film Bowling for Columbine. I know what I felt as far as about that film .......I felt the producer was very very one sided. He made some of those in the real situation look good......for instance Marlyn Manson, who finds lieing just as easy as breathing, who could believe AnYthing a satan worshiper says.
     I just go by what the Lord is given me in my spirit as far as anyone seeing the 9/11 there more reason not to go than reasons to go, from what I have heard it would only make me mad, and cause me to dig my heels in further for Bush. Honestly if your already a Bush fan then the movie will only seal that choice, if your not then you'll walk out of the movie theater agree with a decision you already had. SO what good perpose does it serve?  
    Its the undecided that are going to be hurt by this film. The choices will have been tainted, seeds planted. And that is not fair since there isn't another movie that shows the "other" side of the story. Do you see what I mean?
    Then you have the group who could care less and like the idea of seeing the film because it trashes another human being, they could care less if people are being sent to their deaths, (not) or what the President is doing or not doing.
      I would much rather see a movie that is completely unbiased not so one sided as what 9/11 sounds like it is. (as voiced by my own Non Bush daughter). Producers have a right to make what they want, they also have the privialage to give it a bias......but at the expense of the person who watches it, and that is very sad, Not at all what Jesus would want. Mr Moore a user of the people, looking to cash in on the Election year and his own political agenda (propaganda). Like the money changes in the temple.....Not the first time it will happen. But I don't have to contribute to his bank role. My choice. If Mr Moore truly was given us a documentary then where is the possilbe other side to this story?  Its very obvious that he has one pupose in mind. Sorry I choice not to see the film.


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: nChrist on July 29, 2004, 08:17:29 PM
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Steven John Said:

In what way is Michael Moore a teller of lies? From what I can see he is one of a few people who's willing to stand up for the voiceless - as Jesus would surely have done. As a true believer in justice, I'm very concerned that you would happily criticize Mr Moore for attempting to highlight injustice and yet say nothing of President Bush's constant deception of the American people.

Michael Moore is a teller of lies in all ways, and he became filthy rich telling his lies. Moore knew that President Bush didn't lie to anyone. Numerous other countries had the same intelligence that the US had. If you remember, a major bi-partisan committee just arrived at the same conclusion. It is also important to note that former President Clinton and Congress arrived at the same conclusion. Can we assume that Michael Moore has more accurate intelligence or intelligence that Congress and two Presidential Cabinets did not have. Well, that question is a no-brainer.

The currently informed Democratic party has stopped calling President Bush a liar for a reason - HE DIDN'T LIE! They know now that what President Bush started must remain a high priority and must be finished. Their only current difference is they think they can influence more partners to join in the effort. We should already know why France, Germany, Russia, and China didn't join in the effort. That would be gross corruption and violation of U.N. sanctions for over 10 years. I seriously doubt there is sufficient honesty left in the U.N. to properly investigate this, report it to the world, and take the specified U.N. actions against France, Germany, Russia, and China. I really doubt the U.N. will do anything.

Love In Christ,
Tom


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: steven john on July 29, 2004, 10:03:42 PM
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Steven John Said:

In what way is Michael Moore a teller of lies? From what I can see he is one of a few people who's willing to stand up for the voiceless - as Jesus would surely have done. As a true believer in justice, I'm very concerned that you would happily criticize Mr Moore for attempting to highlight injustice and yet say nothing of President Bush's constant deception of the American people.

Michael Moore is a teller of lies in all ways, and he became filthy rich telling his lies. Moore knew that President Bush didn't lie to anyone. Numerous other countries had the same intelligence that the US had. If you remember, a major bi-partisan committee just arrived at the same conclusion. It is also important to note that former President Clinton and Congress arrived at the same conclusion. Can we assume that Michael Moore has more accurate intelligence or intelligence that Congress and two Presidential Cabinets did not have. Well, that question is a no-brainer.

The currently informed Democratic party has stopped calling President Bush a liar for a reason - HE DIDN'T LIE! They know now that what President Bush started must remain a high priority and must be finished. Their only current difference is they think they can influence more partners to join in the effort. We should already know why France, Germany, Russia, and China didn't join in the effort. That would be gross corruption and violation of U.N. sanctions for over 10 years. I seriously doubt there is sufficient honesty left in the U.N. to properly investigate this, report it to the world, and take the specified U.N. actions against France, Germany, Russia, and China. I really doubt the U.N. will do anything.

Love In Christ,
Tom

BlackEyedPeas,

I find it quite bizarre that you would on one hand criticise Mike Moore for lying, and yet overlook the lies and deception coming from the President (a much richer and powerful individual) who incidentally has made his money greasing the palms of big business. You say the president hasn't lied - and yet he's misled the entire American people about the reasons for going to war and about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

As a Christian, don't you find it hypocritical to attack Moore and yet defend Bush who's best buddies sell arms across the world, profit from war (eg Cheney & Halliburton) and steal retirement funds from innocent families (eg Ken Lay & Enron). You don't have to scratch the surface too far to reveal the deception and self-interest within.

There is a wealth of information available from a myriad of social organisations all concerned with the welfare of our fellow human beings on this planet. Many are critical of the current Bush administration. Would you call them all liars? Perhaps we should spend a little more time researching the facts and acquainting ourselves with what's happening in the wider world - and perhaps then there would be a little less suffering all round.

Peace to all!


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: fruda on July 29, 2004, 10:40:10 PM
support kery!! yee haa lol


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: fruda on July 29, 2004, 10:44:17 PM
minus the crazy username "fruda",
banning looks like it could actually help, more than hurt for the time being.


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: JudgeNot on July 29, 2004, 11:24:12 PM
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banning looks like it could actually help, more than hurt for the time being.


Now THAT is a truly 'hitleristic' statement.  
As for Moore:  Michael Moore is free to have his say, and I will die for the freedom of speech he enjoys.  Too bad he is a liar and I would dead for his lies.  (But I will die for Jesus' Truth FIRST.  I have heard Mr. Moore curse God over and over and over and over... Michael Moore hates God and doesn't acknowledge Jesus Christ.)

Just whose opinion (book) do you wish to "burn"???


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: musicllover on July 30, 2004, 12:44:15 AM
JudgeNot,
         do you have a sight or something I can show my daughter on Mr Moore, she is just now 18. THinks she knows all there is to know about the world.....I would like to give her some evidence of what kind of person M Moore is. We know them by the fruits they bare, you do not get good fruit from a bad tree.

Thank you,
Musicllover


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Shammu on July 30, 2004, 02:12:43 AM
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banning looks like it could actually help, more than hurt for the time being.


Now THAT is a truly 'hitleristic' statement.  
As for Moore:  Michael Moore is free to have his say, and I will die for the freedom of speech he enjoys.  Too bad he is a liar and I would dead for his lies.  (But I will die for Jesus' Truth FIRST.  I have heard Mr. Moore curse God over and over and over and over... Michael Moore hates God and doesn't acknowledge Jesus Christ.)

Just whose opinion (book) do you wish to "burn"???
Excellent post JN.
I know which book Moore would want to burn first. The dummy can't have any of mine though.


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Shammu on July 30, 2004, 02:16:38 AM
JudgeNot,
         do you have a sight or something I can show my daughter on Mr Moore, she is just now 18. THinks she knows all there is to know about the world.....I would like to give her some evidence of what kind of person M Moore is. We know them by the fruits they bare, you do not get good fruit from a bad tree.

Thank you,
Musicllover
Here is his home site.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/index_main.php

Here is another site that is inpartial
http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723
http://slate.msn.com/id/2104495

I know I am not JN but here you go.


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: musicllover on July 30, 2004, 08:03:33 PM


Associated Press
"Any attempts to libel me will be met by force," Michael Moore says, anticipating attacks on his film.

I did some research looking for information on the producer of 9/11 found a article in the New York times   http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/20/movies/20SHEN.html?pagewanted=3&ei=5070&en=5aef89794d3861f4&ex=1091332800 (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/20/movies/20SHEN.html?pagewanted=3&ei=5070&en=5aef89794d3861f4&ex=1091332800)
 that is headed  this way.........
Unfairenheit 9/11
The lies of Michael Moore.
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Monday, June 21, 2004, at 12:26 PM PT ......

     The article is a great read,  (just one of several I found by typing in his name at google) it explains better than I ever could about Mr Moore and his fabrications. He supposable has the facts on his home site, I think I've read enough to know that Moore can not be trusted to know fact from fiction. Ufortunatly he has the money to produce garbage.
   



Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: JudgeNot on July 30, 2004, 11:34:34 PM
One of the first sermons I listened to (I mean really listened to), that had a great impact on me was when I was about 35 years younger, and was one about being sincere – and how some are sincerely wrong.
I have no doubt Michael Moore is sincere in his motives, and truly believes the propaganda he spreads.  

It is a double tragedy.  

First is the tragedy of Mr. Moore’s lost soul and that he really, really believes his own distorted message.  Secondly, (and maybe more importantly) is the tragedy of his leading others astray through means of obvious deceit.  

There is nothing in our current earthly reality stronger than prayer.  The hardest thing to do is pray for someone we believe (justified or not) is an enemy.  

Please join me in prayer for Mr. Moore’s eternal soul – that he may wake up one morning and surrender to Christ, Who is The Way, and that the number of souls he leads away from The Word will be few and eventually redeemed.  

Can you imagine the impact if Mr. Moore were to wake up tomorrow a true believer - and take the Truth to the world?  Pray, guys: pray, pray, pray...

 :)


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: sincereheart on August 01, 2004, 04:08:00 PM
 
Paper: Moore Used Fake Front
Jul 30, 4:36 PM EST
http://entertainment.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=165690 (http://entertainment.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=165690)

A scene early in the movie that shows newspaper headlines related to the legally contested presidential election of 2000 included a shot of The Pantagraph's Dec. 19, 2001, front page, with the prominent headline: "Latest Florida recount shows Gore won election."

The paper says that headline never appeared on that day.

It appeared in a Dec. 5, 2001, edition, but the headline was not used on the front page. Instead, it was found in much smaller type above a letter to the editor, which the paper says reflects "only the opinions of the letter writer."

"If (Moore) wants to 'edit' The Pantagraph, he should apply for a copy-editing job," the paper said.



Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: JudgeNot on August 03, 2004, 09:33:11 PM
I heard on the news this evening that Fahrenheit 9/11 is a HUGE hit in Cuba.  Notice a trend here?  Communists absolutely love watching good, wholesome communist propaganda.  They care nothing of truth – the party line is everything.


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: nChrist on August 04, 2004, 02:39:27 AM
mr. moore has deeply hurt our young men and women who have given so much to preserve freedom so that he can keep opening his BIG LYING MOUTH!

The moore docu-lie is being shown in Iraq via DVDs and other methods. The result is morale destruction and confusion. There is also thoughts about how the American people will treat them when they come home. YES, they are worried that many will treat them like the military that came home from Viet Nam. It is important to note that our young men and women serving in Iraq are not highly skilled in politics, and they don't get to see the news very often.

It's a fact that moore got filthy rich while crushing the morale of our troops. He should feel great shame, but he's proud instead. It won't happen, but it would be fitting for moore to be deported to somewhere like the Sudan and not be allowed to come back until he has some concept of what freedom is, what it takes to pay for it, who has to pay for it, and what happens if it seems impossible to gain freedom.

However, I doubt that the folks of Sudan could stand moore unless he was well-done and cooked over a slow flame.

 ;D   ???   ::)   8)   >:(


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Shammu on August 04, 2004, 03:53:53 AM

However, I doubt that the folks of Sudan could stand moore unless he was well-done and cooked over a slow flame.

 ;D   ???   ::)   8)   >:(
10 thumbs up!! ;D


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: sincereheart on August 04, 2004, 06:54:14 AM
http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723 (http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723)

"Unfairenheit 9/11
The lies of Michael Moore.

"To describe this film as dishonest and demagogic would almost be to promote those terms to the level of respectability. To describe this film as a piece of crap would be to run the risk of a discourse that would never again rise above the excremental. To describe it as an exercise in facile crowd-pleasing would be too obvious. Fahrenheit 9/11 is a sinister exercise in moral frivolity, crudely disguised as an exercise in seriousness. It is also a spectacle of abject political cowardice masking itself as a demonstration of "dissenting" bravery."

"A film that bases itself on a big lie and a big misrepresentation can only sustain itself by a dizzying succession of smaller falsehoods, beefed up by wilder and (if possible) yet more-contradictory claims. President Bush is accused of taking too many lazy vacations. (What is that about, by the way? Isn't he supposed to be an unceasing planner for future aggressive wars?) But the shot of him "relaxing at Camp David" shows him side by side with Tony Blair. I say "shows," even though this photograph is on-screen so briefly that if you sneeze or blink, you won't recognize the other figure. A meeting with the prime minister of the United Kingdom, or at least with this prime minister, is not a goof-off."

"Yet Moore is a silly and shady man who does not recognize courage of any sort even when he sees it because he cannot summon it in himself. To him, easy applause, in front of credulous audiences, is everything."


"However, I think we can agree that the film is so flat-out phony that "fact-checking" is beside the point. And as for the scary lawyers—get a life, or maybe see me in court. But I offer this, to Moore and to his rapid response rabble. Any time, Michael my boy. Let's redo Telluride. Any show. Any place. Any platform. Let's see what you're made of."



Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Aiki Storm on August 04, 2004, 10:47:48 AM
I think that if Gore had been president Michael Moore would have still come out with this film.  Moore is not a Democrat!  He is just highly anti-American.  


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: musicllover on August 05, 2004, 01:02:42 AM
I seen a quick headline about this movie while surfing before coming here, something about 9/11 can be up for an oscar, I didn't read it to I assume that there was some question if it was elgiable, and the headline implies that it can be. A quick thought ran thru my mind, PRAY, this movie can be a quick reminder of all the lies that Gore tried to pass off, and how Clinton couldn't keep his pants zipped long enough to make a wise decesion for this country, we need honestly in the white house, some one who will bring down abortions, and the gay agenda, someone who will keep God and the moral values of this nation as a #1 prioroty. That this movie even if not seen will remind people what we need to do to keep those out of the white house that support this film, and this kind of propaganda, this film is as much against God as it is Pres Bush.
    Agree with me that what the devil intended for evil can be made for reversed for God's Good, in the name of Jesus.
musicllover


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Coyote on August 19, 2004, 01:41:46 PM
Well being a Military man who loves his country I have a few choice words for a coward like Mr. Moore. I remember reading about another anti-American during the Vietnam War, Ms. Jane Fonda or Hanoi Jane as she is commonly called. It seems to me that these big shot celebrities like to create a mess by stirring the pot the wrong way, this ensues they won't fall from the lime light. Well phooey on them.

Being an American gives you the right to free speech, freedom to worship, right to free a free press, right to bear arms etc. It does not give you the right to be a traitor, and inciting more hatred for our people who are risking their lives, and dying so that you and oppressed people around the world will be free. It is comparable to spitting in the face of your mother/father.

Is Mr. Moore an American? If he is not then he really needs to keep his yap shut. If he is he still needs to keep his yap shut. Instead of brow beating the people with mindless lies.

My solution is giving hime life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, on a remote island out in the pacific ocean. He would be co habitating with all the other frauds, criminals, homosexuals, and (no offence intended to anyone) CLOWNS. They can live out their lives murdering, lying, stealing, and raping each other to their hearts content.

here is my proposed habitat for the individuals.


http://www.1uptravel.com/international/oceaniapacific/johnston-atoll/

it is an intersting place, nice tropical weather, and the goverment alredy owns the land. The chemicals there should be benificial to them.

Well I gotta go rant somewhere else.

Jim





Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Shammu on August 19, 2004, 05:15:39 PM


here is my proposed habitat for the individuals.


http://www.1uptravel.com/international/oceaniapacific/johnston-atoll/

it is an intersting place, nice tropical weather, and the goverment alredy owns the land. The chemicals there should be benificial to them.

That looks like a good place for some folks, Coyote.
By the way Johnston Atoll was fortified durning WW2. At the time it was believed that Japan would try and take the Atoll. All Japan did though was bomb the Atoll.


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: nChrist on August 19, 2004, 06:37:27 PM
Oklahoma Howdy to Coyote,

 ;D   ;D   ;D  Brother, you are far too shy on the subject of Michael Moore. DreamWeaver and I will try to help you come out of your shell and speak your mind.   ;D

Moore is a filthy liar and he got filthy rich telling those lies. Further, he harmed the morale of the young men and women who are fighting to preserve our way of life by taking the battle to the terrorists, instead of letting them bring it to us.

It took many generations of courageous men and women to pay for and preserve the freedom we enjoy. We should think of them every time we freely worship and every time we feel that our children are safe. They deserve our respect and complete support. When the duffel bags are packed and the boot laces tied, the entire country should sacrifice whatever is necessary to see them come home safely and properly thank them when they do come home. Freedom isn't cheap, and I give thanks for the men and women of courage who preserve it with their sweat, blood, tears, and lives.

Brother, thank you for serving our country and preserving our way of life.

Love In Christ,
Tom


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: JudgeNot on August 20, 2004, 09:41:30 PM
Coyote Jim,
Let me do some pure “Michael Moore Paraphrasing” with your post:

“Well, being a Military man who loves his country and cohabitating with all the other frauds and criminals, I have a few choice words for a coward who commonly called Ms. Jane Fonda ‘Hanoi Jane’:  anti-American and traitor.  I am spitting in the face of your hatred for our people and your mother/father.  You oppress people around the world.  
I remember the Vietnam War where murdering, lying, stealing, raping and beating the people on a remote island out in the Pacific Ocean won't fall from the lime light.  

The right to free speech?  Mr. Moore, an American, had to keep his yap shut.
Being an American gives you no right to bear arms or freedom to worship, right to free a free press, etc. to create a mess by stirring the pot the wrong way.  Well phooey on CLOWNS!  Homosexuals can live out their lives with each other to their hearts content as long as big shot celebrities keep giving them life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.


Okay… the above was not written – it was assembled from your own words, Coyote.  Done exactly as Michael Moore did “Fareinhate 9/11” and “Lying for Columbine”.  Hey - can you deny you used any of those words above???

Moore's strategy is SATAN's strategy.


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: musicllover on August 21, 2004, 12:44:15 AM
Blowen off some steam...... >:(

We have certain Kerry ads against Pres Bush, Bush puts a few out there on his own against Kerry, then we get the soft money groups coming in shows some of Kerrys old war buddies that puts Kerry in a neg light concerning his conduct after he returns home from Vietnam, Kerry acuses this group of being backed by the Pres, now he is asking the President to stop these ads. BOO HOO, WA WA WA some one get Kerry his BA BA.
     I understand foul play, over board, I understand each has to throw a little dirt, don't mean I like it.......What I don't understand is HOW, and why don't someone put a stop to this michael moore movie.....isn't it the biggest piece of progoganda on the market today? Democrats began the mud slinging long ago with the publishing of a few books and now  its a whole hour and something movie compared to a 15 sec commercial.  ??? Kerry is crying like a wimp. I heard as a kid, and even use it with my own (even though I swore I never would) if you can't take it don't dish it out.  Maybe Kerry should ask moore to not show this movie anymore?

musicllover


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Shammu on August 21, 2004, 01:45:51 AM
Blowen off some steam...... >:(

What I don't understand is HOW, and why don't someone put a stop to this michael moore movie.....isn't it the biggest piece of progoganda on the market today?
musicllover
Because of his right "Freedom of expression."  If we start to take away the "Bill of Rights" given to us by our forfathers, what do we have?

An American Communist, This is what Michael Moore is.....


A RAT to the American way of life. Just as alot of Democrats want to modify our "Bills of Rights," And the Constution, which one of my Great great great.......... Uncles signed. I found out about this last night. Talking with my great Uncle John.

Go in Peace with God
DW


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: musicllover on August 21, 2004, 01:59:07 AM
Blowen off some steam...... >:(

What I don't understand is HOW, and why don't someone put a stop to this michael moore movie.....isn't it the biggest piece of progoganda on the market today?
musicllover
Because of his right "Freedom of expression."  If we start to take away the "Bill of Rights" given to us by our forfathers, what do we have?

An American Communist, This is what Michael Moore is.....


A RAT to the American way of life. Just as alot of Democrats want to modify our "Bills of Rights," And the Constution, which one of my Great great great.......... Uncles signed. I found out about this last night. Talking with my great Uncle John.

Go in Peace with God
DW


    HEAR HEAR, I wouldn't have it any other way, but if moore can produce an 90 minute move expressioning his freedom of speech, then why can't another group produce with that same freedom?
    Democrats want to scream foul when the stones they threw first start coming back across the fence and  start hitting a few of them in the heads.  


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Shammu on August 21, 2004, 02:23:56 AM
Blowen off some steam...... >:(

What I don't understand is HOW, and why don't someone put a stop to this michael moore movie.....isn't it the biggest piece of progoganda on the market today?
musicllover
Because of his right "Freedom of expression."  If we start to take away the "Bill of Rights" given to us by our forfathers, what do we have?

An American Communist, This is what Michael Moore is.....


A RAT to the American way of life. Just as alot of Democrats want to modify our "Bills of Rights," And the Constution, which one of my Great great great.......... Uncles signed. I found out about this last night. Talking with my great Uncle John.

Go in Peace with God
DW


    HEAR HEAR, I wouldn't have it any other way, but if moore can produce an 90 minute move expressioning his freedom of speech, then why can't another group produce with that same freedom?
    Democrats want to scream foul when the stones they threw first start coming back across the fence and  start hitting a few of them in the heads.  
Well 2 wrongs don't make a right, or......
Jn. 13:34-35 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Coyote on August 21, 2004, 10:19:04 AM


here is my proposed habitat for the individuals.


http://www.1uptravel.com/international/oceaniapacific/johnston-atoll/

it is an intersting place, nice tropical weather, and the goverment alredy owns the land. The chemicals there should be benificial to them.

That looks like a good place for some folks, Coyote.
By the way Johnston Atoll was fortified durning WW2. At the time it was believed that Japan would try and take the Atoll. All Japan did though was bomb the Atoll.

A bit if info on the choice of Islands... Johnston atol was until 2000-2001 the chemical weapons destruction site for the U.S. military. I figure there may be just enough "residue" there to keep them all happy.


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: nChrist on August 21, 2004, 12:46:44 PM
I think that I have most of this figured out. The unending mud and lies about Bush went on for a long time before there was an answer or anything in return. They really don't want to be rid of him because of the war or any other of the side issues. They want to be rid of him because he is a professed Christian, that he prays, that he wants to stop abortion, that he is against same sex marriage, and his morals and values do not fit at all with the liberal agenda. George Bush, single-handedly, has dealt major setbacks to the liberals and has actually made a dent in the Godless, anything goes type of society that the liberal money machine wants.

Now, I would quickly say that George Bush would not be among the strongest Christians that I know, but the strongest Christians that I know wouldn't last a month as President of the United States. They would eat a strong Christian alive and spit him out, or they would assassinate him. George Bush managed to work through the political process and actually gain some moral, Christian ground back, and they hate George Bush for that. How dare someone try to end abortions and keep trying! How dare someone try to get a Federal Marriage Amendment passed! How dare someone mention prayer and Jesus Christ in the most powerful office in the land!

In short, the radical left will do anything to get rid of George Bush for the above and other reasons. George Bush is the biggest threat that has come along in many years to the Godless, moral vacuum that has been so diligently worked for so many years. YEP!!! - I'll vote for Bush because he is the only one I can see that has a chance to gain some more moral, Christian ground for this country. I'll also vote for him for many other reasons, one being that he's been a great President.

Love In Christ,
Tom


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Coyote on August 21, 2004, 01:31:13 PM
I'll Second that vote!!!


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: musicllover on August 22, 2004, 12:06:14 AM
Blowen off some steam...... >:(

What I don't understand is HOW, and why don't someone put a stop to this michael moore movie.....isn't it the biggest piece of progoganda on the market today?
musicllover
Because of his right "Freedom of expression."  If we start to take away the "Bill of Rights" given to us by our forfathers, what do we have?

An American Communist, This is what Michael Moore is.....


A RAT to the American way of life. Just as alot of Democrats want to modify our "Bills of Rights," And the Constution, which one of my Great great great.......... Uncles signed. I found out about this last night. Talking with my great Uncle John.

Go in Peace with God
DW


    HEAR HEAR, I wouldn't have it any other way, but if moore can produce an 90 minute move expressioning his freedom of speech, then why can't another group produce with that same freedom?
    Democrats want to scream foul when the stones they threw first start coming back across the fence and  start hitting a few of them in the heads.  
Well 2 wrongs don't make a right, or......
Jn. 13:34-35 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.

DW,
      you are right, trouble is which one is right, or are they both wrong? Can we honestly be sure of anything that the commericial tell us? Love your neighbor just don't love what they do. Honesty, most of the time all these ads do is cause a person to get stubborn and refuse to listen to anything else, I try not too, but I get this "YES one for my side" feeling when I've seen a commercial that says Kerry's bad in some way. Is that really what we should be doing?
musicllover


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Shammu on August 22, 2004, 12:24:18 AM
Blowen off some steam...... >:(

What I don't understand is HOW, and why don't someone put a stop to this michael moore movie.....isn't it the biggest piece of progoganda on the market today?
musicllover
Because of his right "Freedom of expression."  If we start to take away the "Bill of Rights" given to us by our forfathers, what do we have?

An American Communist, This is what Michael Moore is.....


A RAT to the American way of life. Just as alot of Democrats want to modify our "Bills of Rights," And the Constution, which one of my Great great great.......... Uncles signed. I found out about this last night. Talking with my great Uncle John.

Go in Peace with God
DW


    HEAR HEAR, I wouldn't have it any other way, but if moore can produce an 90 minute move expressioning his freedom of speech, then why can't another group produce with that same freedom?
    Democrats want to scream foul when the stones they threw first start coming back across the fence and  start hitting a few of them in the heads.  
Well 2 wrongs don't make a right, or......
Jn. 13:34-35 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.

DW,
      you are right, trouble is which one is right, or are they both wrong? Can we honestly be sure of anything that the commericial tell us? Love your neighbor just don't love what they do. Honesty, most of the time all these ads do is cause a person to get stubborn and refuse to listen to anything else, I try not too, but I get this "YES one for my side" feeling when I've seen a commercial that says Kerry's bad in some way. Is that really what we should be doing?
musicllover
You have to do what God, and your heart tell you. Me, I am going with GWB, not because of the ads on TV but, what God and my heart are telling me. I would rather have a Christian that lies some then a non-Christian, who believes in abortion and gay rights.
Follow what God is telling you, you know God would never lead you astray.


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: musicllover on August 22, 2004, 03:42:26 AM
Blowen off some steam...... >:(

What I don't understand is HOW, and why don't someone put a stop to this michael moore movie.....isn't it the biggest piece of progoganda on the market today?
musicllover
Because of his right "Freedom of expression."  If we start to take away the "Bill of Rights" given to us by our forfathers, what do we have?

An American Communist, This is what Michael Moore is.....


A RAT to the American way of life. Just as alot of Democrats want to modify our "Bills of Rights," And the Constution, which one of my Great great great.......... Uncles signed. I found out about this last night. Talking with my great Uncle John.

Go in Peace with God
DW


    HEAR HEAR, I wouldn't have it any other way, but if moore can produce an 90 minute move expressioning his freedom of speech, then why can't another group produce with that same freedom?
    Democrats want to scream foul when the stones they threw first start coming back across the fence and  start hitting a few of them in the heads.  
Well 2 wrongs don't make a right, or......
Jn. 13:34-35 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.

DW,
      you are right, trouble is which one is right, or are they both wrong? Can we honestly be sure of anything that the commericial tell us? Love your neighbor just don't love what they do. Honesty, most of the time all these ads do is cause a person to get stubborn and refuse to listen to anything else, I try not too, but I get this "YES one for my side" feeling when I've seen a commercial that says Kerry's bad in some way. Is that really what we should be doing?
musicllover
You have to do what God, and your heart tell you. Me, I am going with GWB, not because of the ads on TV but, what God and my heart are telling me. I would rather have a Christian that lies some then a non-Christian, who believes in abortion and gay rights.
Follow what God is telling you, you know God would never lead you astray.

I've NO doubt that I will vote for Pres Bush, like you because of what he stands for. I hate to see the ads though. I've already a nature to not trust and those ads throws a blanket over all that. But because of GWB beliefs against abortion and the one man one women marriage he will defiantly have my vote. I see all over the net (my new paper) that Kerry is asking Bush to stop the neg ads, I wonder would Kerry ask Moore to stop showing his movie?  


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Shammu on August 22, 2004, 05:23:22 AM
Blowen off some steam...... >:(

What I don't understand is HOW, and why don't someone put a stop to this michael moore movie.....isn't it the biggest piece of progoganda on the market today?
musicllover
Because of his right "Freedom of expression."  If we start to take away the "Bill of Rights" given to us by our forfathers, what do we have?

An American Communist, This is what Michael Moore is.....


A RAT to the American way of life. Just as alot of Democrats want to modify our "Bills of Rights," And the Constution, which one of my Great great great.......... Uncles signed. I found out about this last night. Talking with my great Uncle John.

Go in Peace with God
DW


    HEAR HEAR, I wouldn't have it any other way, but if moore can produce an 90 minute move expressioning his freedom of speech, then why can't another group produce with that same freedom?
    Democrats want to scream foul when the stones they threw first start coming back across the fence and  start hitting a few of them in the heads.  
Well 2 wrongs don't make a right, or......
Jn. 13:34-35 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.

DW,
      you are right, trouble is which one is right, or are they both wrong? Can we honestly be sure of anything that the commericial tell us? Love your neighbor just don't love what they do. Honesty, most of the time all these ads do is cause a person to get stubborn and refuse to listen to anything else, I try not too, but I get this "YES one for my side" feeling when I've seen a commercial that says Kerry's bad in some way. Is that really what we should be doing?
musicllover
You have to do what God, and your heart tell you. Me, I am going with GWB, not because of the ads on TV but, what God and my heart are telling me. I would rather have a Christian that lies some then a non-Christian, who believes in abortion and gay rights.
Follow what God is telling you, you know God would never lead you astray.
I wonder would Kerry ask Moore to stop showing his movie?  
I doubt Kerry is man enough to ask. On a different note, I don't listen to the ads by either. I don't read them either, Closed Caption doesn't translate. ;D


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Kristi Ann on September 01, 2004, 05:30:40 PM
I plan to See this Moive Now! I seen something on Today that made me want to see this moive.

Okay all you moive Critics, Please See the Movie then comment on it in this Thread!!

Blessings,   \o/

MsGuidedAngel


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Shammu on September 01, 2004, 05:58:33 PM
I plan to See this Moive Now! I seen something on Today that made me want to see this moive.

Okay all you moive Critics, Please See the Movie then comment on it in this Thread!!

Blessings,   \o/

MsGuidedAngel
I have seen it, and posted my opinions on what I saw. Way back on page one.
Quote
I saw it, I won tickets to see it here. ::)
From now one I will be boycotting all of Michael Moores movies. I also hope that other Christians will as well. The Man rearanged everything he wanted in a different order to please himself and slander Bush. Some of the stuff he has lies about, putting words in Bush's mouth.
I pray other Christians will boycott his movies from now on.


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Kristi Ann on September 01, 2004, 09:26:18 PM
I plan to See this Moive Now! I seen something on Today that made me want to see this moive.

Okay all you moive Critics, Please See the Movie then comment on it in this Thread!!

Blessings,   \o/

MsGuidedAngel
I have seen it, and posted my opinions on what I saw. Way back on page one.
Quote
I saw it, I won tickets to see it here. ::)
From now one I will be boycotting all of Michael Moores movies. I also hope that other Christians will as well. The Man rearanged everything he wanted in a different order to please himself and slander Bush. Some of the stuff he has lies about, putting words in Bush's mouth.
I pray other Christians will boycott his movies from now on.


Oh, okay DreamWeaver! Thanks so much for your Post!  ;D

Blessings,  \o/

MsGuidedAngel


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: sincereheart on September 02, 2004, 04:04:40 AM
I plan to See this Moive Now! I seen something on Today that made me want to see this moive.

Okay all you moive Critics, Please See the Movie then comment on it in this Thread!!

Blessings,   \o/

MsGuidedAngel
I have seen it, and posted my opinions on what I saw. Way back on page one.
Quote
I saw it, I won tickets to see it here. ::)
From now one I will be boycotting all of Michael Moores movies. I also hope that other Christians will as well. The Man rearanged everything he wanted in a different order to please himself and slander Bush. Some of the stuff he has lies about, putting words in Bush's mouth.
I pray other Christians will boycott his movies from now on.

At least you didn't pay to see it!  ;)


Title: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Kristi Ann on September 02, 2004, 07:49:43 PM
I plan to See this Moive Now! I seen something on Today that made me want to see this moive.

Okay all you moive Critics, Please See the Movie then comment on it in this Thread!!

Blessings,   \o/

MsGuidedAngel
I have seen it, and posted my opinions on what I saw. Way back on page one.
Quote
I saw it, I won tickets to see it here. ::)
From now one I will be boycotting all of Michael Moores movies. I also hope that other Christians will as well. The Man rearanged everything he wanted in a different order to please himself and slander Bush. Some of the stuff he has lies about, putting words in Bush's mouth.
I pray other Christians will boycott his movies from now on.

At least you didn't pay to see it!  ;)


 :P :P :P :P :P :P  Grrrrrrrr.....   :-[ :'(

I still want to see it someday. More than likely, I'll have to wait to see it on DVD when it's released!

Love,

MsGuidedAngel