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John 14:16-17
I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever- the Spirit of Truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you."

John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of Truth, comes, he will guide you into ALL truth. He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you.

I ask you is it through Man's work that we find the things of God? Is it through studious study of semantics, connotation, and language of the bible that we find the truths of God? In bible studies I see Man's attempt to find truths by their OWN knowledge and not by the Holy Spirit. I ask you, is this in SPIRIT and in TRUTH? For the Father seeks those that will worship Him in Spirit and in Truth.

Study of the word of God is important because it is the sword against Satan. But dont forget that it is "the sword of the Spirit...which is the word of God" (ephesians 6:17). It is by the Spirit first. The Devil knows the word of God better than anyone...better than you and even the translators of the KJV. The Devil even knows the word of God in all languages including the original one it was written in. But it is only through the Holy Spirit that we can truly see. It is the Holy Spirit that makes what is from Jesus known to us! The Devil cannot do this and Man's knowledge cannot do this; ONLY the Holy Spirit.

This is for someone in particular.

Who?

YOU!!!! ;D

Merry Christmas Bro ;D

Well, I dont want to name names. But I think this is good for anyone else who may be forgeting that it is by the Holy Spirit that we find the truths OF God and not by Man's or our works.

I just wrote this a couple weeks ago.  It seems appropriate to post it now.  I definitely need the Holy Spirit to lead me in what I write.  If I try to write under my own power, it falls flat.  

When I first started writing in 1987, I tried to be a people pleaser.  The Holy Spirit would tell me to write something.  I didn't want to because I thought some one would get mad at me.  I obeyed any way.  I gave a copy to a lady.  The next time I saw her, she said she really needed that.  I asked her: "What part especially?"  It was the very words I wanted to leave out.  So you never know where God's words will go.
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THE HOLY GHOST WILL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS

John 14:26 “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”

   Before you can remember something, you have to have heard or read it somewhere before.  It may have been in your mind for a long time but it was pushed way back when other things filled your mind.  Just one word may let you pull the thought out of your memory bank.  It will seem like just yesterday that it was fresh.  

   What do we have to remember?  We weren’t with the disciples but Jesus told them: “Whatsoever I have said unto you.”  How can we remember what Jesus said?  We weren’t there.  We go to the scriptures in the Bible.  Before we can remember anything in the Bible, we have to have read it first-maybe several times before it sinks it.  Often we didn’t understand it at first because we weren’t ready for it yet.  So the more you read the Bible, even when you don’t understand it, the more memories are stored in your mind.  When you need that very thing, the Holy Spirit will remind you.

   II Timothy 3:16 “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.”  This includes the Old Testament.  II Peter 1:19-21  “We have also a more sure word of prophesy---Knowing this first that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.  For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”   (Strong Concordance 5012---prophesy---to speak by inspiration  {in prediction---foretell a future event} or simple discourse---communication of ideas or information---Webster’s dictionary.)

   The Holy Spirit can either give a prophesy of something that will happen in the future (as told to the prophets of old.  The Holy Spirit wasn’t living in them yet.) or give understanding of the scripture to someone who can interpret the matter on hand; whether it is a doctrine, reproof, correction, or instruction in righteousness.  These are all guidelines to a holy life.
   
   John 14:16 & 17  “And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever; Even the Spirit of truth, whom the world can not receive, because it sees him not, neither knows him: but you know him, for he dwells with you, and shall be in you.”
   
   I John 2:27  “But the anointing which you have received of him abides in you, and you need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teaches you all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it has taught you, you shall abide in him.”  

   Even when someone does give an interpretation of a scripture, and some do need help in understanding, don’t just take his word as truth without checking it with the scriptures.  Don’t take my word either.  Being the imperfect creatures we are, we can make a mistake when we let our own ideas take the lead.  But believe me; the Holy Spirit will let you know when you are wrong if you are open to his correction.

I keep learning. I have been corrected, too when my own thoughts slip in.  That is what we are all to be doing instead of becoming stagnant, thinking we know it all.  I told my daughter-in-law after I had been a Christian for awhile, that the more I learn the less I know.  I thought I had all the answers.  No one ever has all the answers at once.  We keep learning as we go.  She got angry and said she thought I was more spiritual than that.  I just let it go.  

     John 16:12  “I have yet many things to say unto you, but you can not bear them now.”  Jesus taught them in parables of things they were familiar with.  Same with Nahum 2:3 “The chariots would rage in the streets, they shall jostle one against another in the broad ways: they shall seem like torches, they shall run like lightening.”

   Our chariots are automobiles that run like lightening.  Road rage is running rampant; some even running into others who get in the way.  What is the big rush?  We live in the “instant this or that; no patience to wait. Nahum would think you were crazy if you talked about this.  No way could he understand such a precept.
   
   The writers of the Bible (old and new testaments) had a difficult time getting all the facts that they were told to write on scripts but they were persistent.  If I had to write this in the same way, I might have given up and say forget it!  It takes me about an hour for each page I write, what with looking up the scriptures etc.  Imagine how long it took them to write whole books.
   
No wonder Jesus told the Apostles they couldn’t bear it.  What did they know about typewriters then word processors and now computers?  So it takes me one or two hours to write, yet in about 2 seconds it can be sent all over the world and translated into another language at the same time.  I first noticed this when I was writing to a lady in Korea.  I would get an email from her.  She wrote in Korean and was translated into English before I could open it up.  That amazed me.  

DANIEL 12:4 " says:  "But you, o Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge will increase"  People are getting too smart for their own good.  Cloning scares me and it should you, too.  Men are trying to be like God; creating new life. Along with other things that seem so amazing and impossible.  

With all this technology, many prophecies become understandable now.  We may not know exactly how they will come about but we are aware they could be possible.  
   
   John 16:13  “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into ALL truth; for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear; that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.”

   With television, we see events while they are happening.  I was born before T.V.  I was 18 when I saw my first one---all of 7” and in black and white.  We now sit in the comforts of our home and watch a war going on.
   
   In conclusion should we be amazed when the Holy Spirit shows us things that are to come?  May God help us to be ready for the return of Jesus.  It may be sooner than we think.  We have to live our life as if he is on his way this very minute; that God, the Father has told him it is time.

God bless us as we try to understand and accept His WORD as truth without interference by man.  Revelation 22:18-20 “For I testify unto every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:  And if any man shall take away from the words of this book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.  He which testifies these things says, “Surely, I come quickly.  Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
   

Flelix, yes this is TRUTH .But in TRUTH ,some one wrote we must see it somewhere else in order for the HOLY SPIRIT to REVEAL ?This is not TRUTH .But I do believe it is easier for the HOLY SPIRIT to reveal TRUTH if We have read something ,like the bible or a testamony . But HE has reveal lots with no knowlege before .Look at JOHN ,or paul .or even JESUS CHRIST HIM SELF as HE WAS TAUGHT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT EVERY THING .DON"T THINK THAT ,BECAUSE JESUS CHRIST WAS THE SON OF GOD .THAT HE DID NOT LEARN AS WE DO .BUT IN HIS CASE .HE DID NOTHING WITH OUT BEING LED OF THE SPIRIT .AS WE SHOULD BE ?BUT WE ARE NOT .BUT SOME ARE LED MORE THAN OTHERS .WILLINGNESS ,BELIEVING ,PUTTING YOUR SELF ASIDE ,AND BEING HUMBLE .THIS WILL CAUSE YOU TO LEARN ?GOD DESIRES TOO TEACH US ALL THINGS .WE LOSE A GREAT DEAL BY NOT SUBMITING TO HIM .WHO KNOWS ?WHAT GREAT BLESSING WE HAVE LOST ?NEVER TOO KNOW ?I BELIEVE WE ALL LOSE SOME .As EVEN THE THINGS ?I DO KNOW ?I SEE THE LOSS .SO THERE MUST BE MORE I HAVE LOST .

Eph 4:11  "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12  For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13  Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14  That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15  But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:"

Pilgrim

I agree 100% .BUT can I tell you this .OUR TESTAMONY is very important .It is one of the 3 ways we overcome .we must have one and share it .the other 2 is not loving our lifes unto death .and the blood of jesus christ .as you well know .we must have these three to overcome .But I want to add ,this little thought ?when it came down too the place ,where i had to make a choice to trust man kind or jesus christ .i think i always trusted the lord .and he has never failed me .sometimes it was life or death for my kids and myself .and sometimes ?my whole family was againth me .my mother wife sisters ,friends .even many in the church .but somehow though the grace of god .he gave me the courage to stand in faith .did i do anything ?not really .HE DID IT .I just desired to believe .as you well know ?he gets all the glory and honor .because he really does it all .

Amen brothers and sisters.

Brother Love, the Holy Spirit works in conjunction with the word. It is through this knowledge that the Holy Spirit can do its more powerful work. However, the Holy Spirit is not limited to just scripture; scripture is not the ONE and only spiritual thing. This is the fault.

Consider what Gary said...Paul was not taught by the Holy Spirit though scripture but from God directly

Romans 9:1 "I speak the truth in Christ - I am not lying, my conscience confirms it in the Holy Spirit- "

This is a truth of God given to Paul through the Holy Spirit.


Brother Love, consider Ephesians 3:19 "and to know this love that surpasses knowledge -that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God."

When you look at a bible study are you looking for Man's competance in it's writing? If this is all you look for in bible studies then you are missing what the Holy Spirit is saying to you. Am I saying that we shouldn't have bible study at all? No, that's inane. Maybe you will understand more if I give a personal story:

when I was 12 I was a very fervant bible reader. Even before this age I vowed to seek the truth no matter what cost. I read every book in the new testament and I read proverbs over and over. I thought I understood everything. I could give anyone who asked a lecture on theology from the bible. What's funny is I brought no one to Christ. Even though I knew the new testament I didnt know who Christ really was. In fact, it wasn't until I was 13 that I accepted Jesus even though I believed in God when I was 7. (Many people in all sorts of religions believe in God -yes, God the Father - but they are utterly lost; it is only through Jesus) At that point, I started discovering more and more truths from what I had read. This was the Holy Spirit working in me. I thought I already knew all there was to know but I kept learning! Each time I read, I got something different from it. It is then that I knew that I could not rely on my own knowledge or intelligence to find the things of God, but only through Holy Spirit. I use to make God so sophisticated and complex; this got me nowhere. Jesus is simple.

So what I'm trying to say is: bible study is a necessity, but if you treat it like a science study...you will not get anywhere. Dont judge by literary competance, sentence structure, or syntax. These things belong to man's knowledge. The things of God belong to Jesus and Jesus is simple. things dont need to be so complicated.

Do all things in Love and that will be from God. When you want to praise someone for what they say; do it in Love and your praise will be done in truth. When you want to rebuke someone for what they say; do it in Love and your rebuke will be the truth from God. If any of these things are not done in Love, then it is purely from yourself alone and your own knowledge; and it will not be from God. "Love surpasses knowledge"

Act 18:24  And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus. 25  This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

26  And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

Expound
EXPOUND', v.t. [L. expono; ex and pono, to set.]

1. To explain; to lay open the meaning; to clear of obscurity; to interpret; as, to expound a text of scripture; to expound a law.

2. To lay open; to examine; as, to expound the pocket. [Not used.]

perfectly   G197
ἀ?ριβέ?τερον
akribesteron
Thayer Definition:
1) more exactly, more perfectly
Part of Speech: adjective
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: neuter of the comparative of the same as G196

pilgrim

Pilgrim, don't think I am saying not to teach the bible. This is not what I am saying.

Again this is for a specific circumstance for a specific person. This reveals a lot of truth for others too. You cannot find the things of God through your own intelligence and knowledge alone. It is only through the Holy Spirit.

"All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."

The Word equips us for good work; and the Holy Spirit drives the good work.



Read as much of the word as you can each and every day. Ask God to write it on the tablet of your heart that his Word may be used when you are attacked by Satan. I'm confident that 90% of the Holy Spirit's work is done through me by revelation of the word, but the Holy Spirit's work does not just encompass scripture. Speaking in tongues, healing, and prophecy is the work of the Holy Spirit. These things make manifest the Holy Spirit, thus this is a target for Satan to eschew; there are many fake healings, speaking in tongues, and prophecy that are driven not by the Holy Spirit but by an unclean spirit. These things are driven by things that are not seen, thus these or more like the supernatural phenomenon that is frequently regarded in disbelief because we do not understand it. YOU CANNOT TEST THESE BY LOGIC because you cannot see it. This is what I am talking about: you cant rely on your own knowledge. You have to test the spirit. It is spiritual discernment, not logical discernment.

I pray that all of us may be filled with the knowledge of scripture and the Holy Spirit. Do everything in Love.

GEE ,brother ,AMEN .BLESS YOU

Spiritual discernment is done with the mind of man as it is enlightened by the Word of God. It is not done by that funny feeling one gets in the stomach which more than likely is just bad pepperoni anyway.

Pilgrim

yes the HOLY SPIRIT speaks to us in our mind .just as satan does .That is why .The LORd said ,my sheep will hear my voice.we will know .who is speaking .

Pilgrim  you do have a way with words! ;D

I know that is true. If you are talking about spiritual discernment what I meant by "It is spiritual discernment, not logical discernment." is logical discernment is judgement by man's knowledge (ie science) and spiritual discernment is discernment by the truths of God given to us by the Holy Spirit (which is primarily from scripture and other works). We know that to test spirit we see if they acknowledge Jesus Christ not if what they say is what we want to hear. A person may judge a prophet by how he looks, what he says and not consider the truths of what he says. Judging a person by their intelligence or looks is man's judgement. I can very well say something intelligently sound, quote specifically from the KJV etc. but if you believe me because of those things then that is wrong.

Spiritual discernment is recognizing the truths of God in the message. Logical discernment is recognition of the rhetoric, sophistication, and scientific sense. This was the wisdom of the pharisees (logical discernment)...

They could make up anything about Jesus like "only by the devil can Jesus cast out demons" and make it look logical. These men did not have that spiritual discernment or else they would not have crucified Jesus.

Im not saying spiritual discernment is that funny feeling in your stomach.  :)

Have you seen people try to fit God's word to their own desire and will? They try to compromise and reconcile the word to what they want. And they can make it look sound and logical. This is logical discernment. Isnt this what Satan was doing while Jesus was tempted by him? "Tell God to turn these stones into bread" This seems right but Jesus knew what was wrong. Jesus, from a logical perspective, could have satisfied his hunger by asking God to turn these stones into bread. Here, Jesus had a need and Satan was offering a solution. However, Jesus knew that we don't live by food alone by every word of God. Jesus very well could have reconciled and compromised the word to fit his need and satisfy his hunger; but he knew better.

So what is spiritual discernment? Because it is spirtual it must come from the Holy Spirit. But then how do I know the difference between logical and spiritual discernment? If you do not use logical discernment (remember that this is reconciling and compromising much like what the pharisees did) then it will be spiritual. It's as simple as that, seek what God wants and not what you want.

I know it may sound as if I'm saying we don't need knowledge of scripture at all and we can rely on the Holy Spirit for everything. That is backwards. I am saying that the Holy Spirit is paramount in regards to knowledge. We cannot think our knowledge is absolute or any other man's. We must spiritually discern it.

Man's knowledge tends to make Christ complicated. We miss the simplicity of Christ that way.

As living by faith said "May God bless us as we try to understand and accept His WORD as truth without interference by man."

It is exactly this!

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Pilgrim, I meant acknowledging Jesus as Lord.

1 John 4:1-3
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God.

1 Cor 12:3
Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

As for that unclean spirit it did acknowledge Christ as the Holy One of God. However, I dont think it would ever confess that Jesus was from God in flesh. KJV makes a lot better translation...

1 John 4

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
   
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Jesus Christ is LORD!

It already has, Jesus was in the flesh when the unclean spirit spoke those words.

Pilgrim

I do not understand. So are you saying that this unclean spirit was from God???

1 John 4:1-3
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God:

Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh IS FROM GOD, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus IS NOT FROM GOD.

1 Cor 12:3
Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

No! I am saying that your test is not what you think it is. I have demonstrated that an unclean spirit can pass your test which is not what the Scripture teaches.

Pilgrim

You know 2 great things the LORD has revealed to me ?Which are in HIS LIVING WORD .but with very little teachings.one is HIS NEW REST .ASK HIm to tell you if this is TRUTH and if so .You would like to experiance it .the other id the rivers of living water .it is wonderful .But I don"t know why we experiance it ?I"ve been hoping to meet someone who has ?any one experianced these things ?pm me or post thank you

I'll just throw this in as food for thought.  As a fella who's preached a time or two, I've always found that my study was of great importance.  I had to dig in to get what was there.  It's interesting how Jesus used the example of searching for hidden treasure in regards to this very subject.  I don't usually find treasure layin' around.  It requires me to get into the word and dig for it.  But the most important thing I ever learned in all of my studies, was that I was studying to find out what God said.  Not to prove He said what I thought He said...

My test? I was refering to the tests from scripture. Did I need to point that out? (rhetorical question) I think that was obvious.

If you notice this has little to do with the original topic which was: man's knowledge alone cannot find the truths of God; only through the Holy Spirit.

Why are you so focused in proving yourself right and me wrong? I still cannot find what you are rebuking as I have already made clear all your assumptions. Do you think this message was against and thus, you are fiercely trying to defend yourself? I assure you I know very little about you or your stances on things; but that is irrelevant.

Tell me plainly what you think is wrong.


Do not read the name of the writer first and make preconceived notions on how to reply BEFORE you actually read the message. I can tell this happens. Some people make up their minds to agree or disagree, belive or disbelive BEFORE they even read the message because they have seen who has written it. This is when you seek to judge man instead of seeking to find truth.

Do you still think I am saying not to study the bible or just read less and let the Holy Spirit do more? NO. I am speaking against relying on man's knowledge alone.

I see why this is hard to understand as...how can we stop relying on man's knowledge and start relying on the Holy Spirit? How do I recognize that?? What am I talking about?

As I say again, this was written for a particular person; one of whom I knew the mind of.

When we rely on Man's knowledge:
Man writes and speaks for the approval of man
Man rebukes a man because of the man (not for what they do, speak, or write but for who they are in this world)
Man praises a man because of the man (not for what they do, speak, or write but for who they are in this world)

When we rely on the Holy Spirit:
Man writes and speaks for the approval of God
Man rebukes a man in love
Man praises a man in love


It is not that we do not rely on our knowledge; our knowledge is essential. Scripture is very powerful as Jesus even quoted directly from it and did not rationalize with Satan. Our knowledge should always be increasing. So what exactly am I saying?

Knowledge is wisdom. If you rely on your own wisdom(or knowledge) to find the truths of God you will not. So why do you treat it as such? Did not God say, "I will make the wisdom of the world foolishness." ?

 ??? :-X

We have the HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH !HE reveals all TRUTH too us .That is the only way anyone would believe me .other wise no one would believe my testamony ..HE reveals to our spirit which hears HIM perfectly .BECAUSE we are SPIRIT 1st above all else .This is who OUR LORD DIED for .THIS IS WHO LIVES FOREVER .THIS IS WHO GOES TO THE LORD AFTER DEATH .Which is us sheding this old flesh .HE has a new body waiting for us .This flesh is nothing but a tool .YOUN ARE MUCH MORE THAN THIS WEAK STUFF

What can I say? I guess I just don’t find your human knowledge very convincing. You think maybe it’s devoid of the Holy Spirit? How can we find out?

The mark of the Holy Spirit's guidance is a changed life and a changed heart, producing a bride that is nearing the spotless perfection that Jesus wants from us. If your study of the word doesnt change you, then you need to spend more time in the prescence of Christ, quietly waiting for that small voice to speak to you, when all other voices have got tired of clamouring for your attention.

Absorbing the Word is always profitable I believe, whether we are just reading it casually on the train or if we are doing an in depth lengthy study. The Holy Spirit can prompt us to remember things we have read, perhaps not understanding them, then shed light on them later.

The point I believe we fall down on, is when we try to apply the Word in our lives using our own strength and wisdom. Thats when the trouble arises. Simply reading the Word is not enough, we need to apply the word in the power of the Holy Spirit. The fruit that is produced in our lives displays whether we are listening to the Holy Spirit or not.

I pray that we may all grow to know Christ and His will for us more deeply, and really allow Him to change us, and the world around us.

When  born again ,we are given a new spirit perfect in the LORD .  
But without teaching of TRUTH .we must yeild to the HOLY SPIRIT .if we do not .we try to live the best we can ?and the flesh causes us great problems .we are at war ?fighting 2 battles at once .our own flesh and evil spirits .we try hard but can not seem to over come .because the real us or inner man is not in control .the flesh will not allow the HOLY GHOST to have much say so .we control the HOLY SPIRIT in our lifes . HE does very little unless we give HIM ,HIS WAY .HE NEVER TAKES CONTROL .But if we give the inner man control .He will allow the HOLY SPIRIT listen to the HOLY SPIRIT and do all HE asks .HE wants to serve GOD .even before bORN AGAIN .But in most lifes the inner man has little say so .because we are taught ,our flesh is us .it is but a tool ,for us to use .a coat ,you might say .The real yiou is made in the image of GOD .a spirit . fasting will give him power overv the flesh .where you can be perfect in the LORD .and hear the LORD clearly

Chapter and verse please! Or is this something that the Holy Spirit taught that is not in the Bible.

1Th 5:23  And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
ph 3:16  That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
2Co 5:17  Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new
Joh 1:12  But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13  Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but GOD
Heb 5:13  For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Rev Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. Gal 5:17  For the flesh lusteth against
Gal 5:18  But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law
Gal 5:25  If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
1Jo 2:20  But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
anointing 1Jo 2:27  But the which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
1Jo 3:2  Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jo 3:3  And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jo 1Jo 3:9  Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jo 3:14  We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death
1Jo 4:4  Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
2Co 5:17  Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Joh 6:63 KJV  It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
nown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
1Co 14:32  And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
HE is talkiing about our spirit here!
1Co 15:44  It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
4:26  But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Heb 10:16  This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 7:12  For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
God.
1Co 2:11  For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man
2:10  But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that w1Co 2:12  Now we have received, not the e might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Luk 12:12  For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.
1Co 2:13  Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual things
Joh 3:6  That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7  Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Joh 3:7  Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
h 4:24  God is a Spirit:Joh 4:23  But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
 and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
in spirit is our spirit ,who we are .
Joh 10:4  And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Joh 16:13  Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Joh 16:14  He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Joh Joh 17:16  They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Joh 17:22  And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
(Joh 15:20)  Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
Mar 10:15  Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein
12:11  And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Joh 3:8  The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Joh 3:12  If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
Joh heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1Co 5:5  To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Which verse teaches this? "we control the HOLY SPIRIT in our lifes."

Which verse teaches we have an inner man before being born again?

"He will allow the HOLY SPIRIT listen to the HOLY SPIRIT and do all HE asks .HE wants to serve GOD .even before bORN AGAIN ."


What verse teaches this?

"fasting will give him power overv the flesh .where you can be perfect in the LORD .and hear the LORD clearly"

Which verse teaches this? "we control the HOLY SPIRIT in our lifes
Joh 14:17  Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you
Eph 4:30  And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
o 14:32  And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
Eph 4:24  And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Joh 17:14  I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Joh 17:15  I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
Joh 17:16  They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Mat 26:41  Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
Thisd was before being born again ,as you can see ?even before the nEW BIRTh .Our spirit is willing to follow the LORd .
But we MUST be BORN again in order to enter the KINGDOM .Also when born asgain ?the HOLY SPIRIT dwells with in us .
FASTING
at 6:16  Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Mat 6:17  But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;
Mat 6:18  That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.
Mat 9:15  And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.
Luk 5:35  But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days
Eph 3:16  That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
You see the things done by the HOLY SPIRIT ,are not taught in the flesh to any degee .These things are revealed by THE HOLY SPIRIT and done by the HOLY SPIRIT .They spiritual in nature .
If you really want to know the things of the HOLY SPIRIT ?you are gonna have to fast ? If you really desire TRUTH in your life .Because the just live by FAITH .YOU can not see FAITH !Your inner man is a spirit .everything he needs is spiritual .You can give him nothing ?Only the HOLY SPIRIT can .What you can do ?is put your flesh aside .Then yiou will understand .other wise you will never know !

Thanks bern, you explained it a lot better than me.

Amen Gary.


Pilgrim, am I talking about a human knowledge devoid of the Holy Spirit? You ask how can we know if Human Knowledge is devoid of the Holy Spirit. IT IS. Otherwise people would be able to attain salvation through the blood of Christ on their knowledge alone and not through the work of God.

You ask an inaccurate question. You actually want to know how we can find the difference between relying on our knowledge and relying on the Holy Spirit. I am telling you that the Holy Spirit is paramount in regards to knowledge. My testimony speaks for itself. If you still have doubts then consider this:

You know that the bible tells us to worship God in Spirit and in Truth. How do you do this?

Greetings Pilgrim,

I would like to comment on some of the issues raised here.

Which verse teaches this? "we control the HOLY SPIRIT in our lifes."

I think Gary was referring to the fact that we can quench/grieve the Spirit and reduce His activity in our lives.

Which verse teaches we have an inner man before being born again?

Yeah, not so sure on this one mysefl! heh

"He will allow the HOLY SPIRIT listen to the HOLY SPIRIT and do all HE asks .HE wants to serve GOD .even before bORN AGAIN ."


What verse teaches this?

I think Gary refers to the inbuilt desire in all of our hearts to worship the creator. The unregenerate person simply doesn't realise thats what the inner longing is.

"fasting will give him power overv the flesh .where you can be perfect in the LORD .and hear the LORD clearly"

It certainly doesn't do any harm! We are actively told to do it.. because I believe it brings us into a place where we are more focused on God. The scripture, to my knowledge, never says that fasting in itself makes us perfect and able to hear the Lord clearly... but I believe it does bring us to a place that promotes spiritual growth. I have spoken to gary about this issue before, but as I said to him in pm recently, I think we perhaps misunderstand what he means or says because of his unorthodox writing style. So perhaps we need to clarify meaning before being overly critical. I'm not saying anyone is at fault here, just making a few points.

Our begining is as NEW creatures ,This is when wwe are born again .This is our start ?
But I want to go before this ,to peter in the garden with OUR LORD
THE LORD TOLD HIM .WATCH and pray .But peter fell asleep .JESUS TOLD HIM ?YOUR SPIRIT IS WILLING .PETER WAS NOT BORN AGAIN HERE .BECAUSE ?JESUS had not died yet ,nor sent the HOLY SPIRIT .whos WORK THIS IS .
THIS SHOWS even though we are full of sin ,our spirit still would serve GOD .but of course the flesh would not .Now the flesh was also sin full ..
BUT this is who our LORD died for .not our body ,As it dies .And HE tells us we recieve a NEW body to go with our new SPIRIT as well as everything else new ,name earth ,heavens ,city ,job ,and much more .because ALL THINGS BECOME NEW .That means everything .We are not of this earth any longer ?
WHAT has happened to us ?And who are we now ?
well we are made like the LORDS NEW CITY ,That hE WENT TO PREPARE FOR US ,To go with our new being .because everything MUST be made new for us .HE went beyond the garden of eden .HE not only restored us ?But made us like HE IS .WHEN we see HIm ?WE WILL BE LIKE HIM .And we are now ?This is very hard too see .and is the true MEAT OF THE WORD .
BECAUSE ,do you know ?OUR WORDS BECOME TRUTH ?It is written in heaven or should I say NEW JERUSALEM as that is OUR CITY FOREVER MORE .HE IS THERE NOW WAITING ON US TO RUN OUR RACE .I"LL tell you another TRUTH ?Do you know why after death qwe can never be in darkness again ?even though the space is dark out there and we will not have any more sun.Because we will be light ,we will shine .everywhere we go .we will light .OF course the greatest light will be OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST .as HE LIGHTS THE WHOLE CITY AND MORE .BUT we will all shine some more than others .AS YOU WELL KNOW HE LIGHTS THE CITY AND WE WILL BE LIKE HIM .
Gal 4:26  But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. THAT is why this vs. is in the bible
NOW I guess ?you know we are spirit ,soul ,and body .
1Th 5:23  And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
SO this shows ,we are 3 parts ,but the main part is spirit or inner man [same thing]
The spirit is our inner man .
Joh 3:6  That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. THIS IS OUR SPIRIT OR INNER MAN
NOW how we control or allow the HOLY SPIRIT to work in our lifes .THIS is the greatest blessing in your life ,if you only understood .HE WILL SHOW OR TEACH YOU ANYTHING .I MEAN ANYTHING .HE WANTS TO DO THIS .IT IS HIS OWN JOB .AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW MORE THAN ANY I HAVE KNOWN AND YOU CAN ,CAUSE I AM NOT SMART TO BEGIN WITH .HE OUR LORD LIKES TO WORK THOUGH THE WEAKEST ..that is me .praise the LORD .
Eph 4:30  And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
john 14:32  And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
YOU SEE THIS this says spirits ?we have but one of our own to start .but We now have 2 with in us .The other is the HOLY SPIRIT .Which we have FOREVER MORE .
NOW try this ?ask HIM ,out loud to show you something .something you lost or need to know .HE WILL REVEAL THIS TO YOU  .HE WILL SHOW YOU ANYTHING ,that does not come between you and JESUS CHRIST .YOU ARE NOTHING LIKE THE WORLD .YOU ARE SPIRIT 1ST .

NOW to our soul or mind .same thing .
OUR MIND must br renewed .WHY ? because now that we are new creatures ?it MUST be reprogramed to live and walk in the SPIRIT .because most everything in this new walk .must be recieved in FAITH .recieving it from the HOLY SPIRIT .OUR WEAPONS ARE SPIRITUAL .OUR BATTLE is spiritual ..we fight spirits ,the fallen angels .the battle is in our minds .THAT is why our LORD tells us HE will give us a clear mind .satan can not to anything to us .Unless we let him ?asnd many do .of course there will always be people he can use to try and hurt us and cause problems .but all things work for our good .so we can not lose even if it looks like we do .Because we are MORE THAN CONQUERS IN CHRIST JESUS .
the demons shake when you are near .they fear you as if you were JESUS CHRIST .BECAUSE HIS VERY SPIRIT IS IN YOU .EVERY BIT OF THE POWER IS IN YOU .YOUR FAITH CAUSES IT TO WORK ,OF COURSE WE NEED TO BE LED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT .h 4:24  God is a Spirit:Joh 4:23  But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth
THIS IS SPEAKING OF OUR VERY SPIRIT ,who we are !
I can not prove this to you very well ?but if you fast 3 days .
YOU will know more than ever before .I know this may sound funny .how can 3 days change me ?but when born again ?We are changed even more in a blink of an eye .BUT what will happen ?
The 1st day is nothing ,you can work .the next day ,satan will try to decieve you ,he will do lots of dum things to get you too stop .because he knows ,you will walk in the power of GOD .your inner man will take over .This being is who you are .HE will seek the face of GOD and will find it . Your mind will be confused .But stand in faith read ,THE LIVING WORD AND PRAY .TALK WITH THE LORD tell HIM ANY NEED YOU THINK YOU HAVE .HE WILL BE WITH YOU .THE third day .YOUR MIND WILL BE CLEARER than ever .YOU WILL SPEAK WITH YOUR LORD JESUS CHRIST .YOU WILL BE A MORE POWERFUL child of GOD .YOU WILL GIVE YOUR TESTAMONY AND BE A LIVING BLESSING .THEN you will have obeyed the scripture.
 4:24  God is a Spirit:Joh 4:23  But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
YOU will do this ,if you truely want a closer walk with OUR LORD .fIND THE TIME .YOU WILL NEVER BE SORRY .

AMEN AMEN AMEN!

Gary, you speak the truth from God.

Most surely we are the light of the world! May we continue to shine so that men can see.

matt5:14
“You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. 15Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.

Jesus said,“I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.” John 8:12

The Holy Spirit is God.  :D
Acts 5:3-4

God Bless,
bluelake

Well.  Otay.  But whatever He is, He's WONDERFUL!


"And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey him."  

(Acts 5:32)


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