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Just in case you might think of Iraq as "only" an oil rich nation, ruled by an evil dictator for 30 years, whether it has been supporting terrorists or may not be very important, here are a few important facts regarding the important history and roles that this nation has played down through history*
 
IRAQ -- VERY INTERESTING -- DID YOU KNOW??????
 
1. The garden of Eden was in Iraq. (it sure doesn't look much like Paradise on earth today thanks to Saddam)
 
2. Mesopotamia which is now Iraq was the cradle of civilization!
 
3. Noah built the ark in Iraq.
 
4. The Tower of Babel was in Iraq.
 
5. Abraham was from Ur, which is in Southern Iraq!
 
6. Isaac's wife Rebekah is from Nahor which is in Iraq.
 
7. Jacob met Rachel in Iraq.
 
8. Jonah preached in Nineveh - which is in Iraq.
 
9. Assyria which is in Iraq conquered the ten tribes of Israel.
 
10. Amos cried out in Iraq!
 
11. Babylon which is in Iraq destroyed Jerusalem.
 
12. Daniel was in the lion's den in Iraq!
 
13. The 3 Hebrew children were in the fire in Iraq (that's good news to know that JESUS has been in Iraq too as the 4th person in the fiery furnace!)
 
14. Belshazzar, the King of Babylon saw the "writing on the wall" in Iraq.
(which hopefully Saddam will too!)
 
15. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jews captive into Iraq.
 
16. Ezekiel preached in Iraq.
 
17. The wise men were from Iraq. (where are the "wise" men today?)
 
18. Peter preached in Iraq.
 
19. The "Empire of Man" described in Revelation is called Babylon which was a city in Iraq!
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And you have probably seen this one. Israel is the nation most often mentioned in the Bible.  But do you know which nation is second?  It is Iraq!  However, that is not the name that is used in the Bible.  The names used in the Bible are Babylon, Land of Shinar, and Mesopotamia. The word Mesopotamia means between the two rivers, more exactly between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers. The name Iraq, means country with deep roots. Indeed Iraq is a country with deep roots and is a very significant country in the Bible.  Here's why.
 
* Eden was in Iraq--Genesis 2:10-14
* Adam & Eve were created in Iraq--Genesis 2:7-8
* Satan made his first recorded appearance in Iraq--Genesis 3:1-6
* Nimrod established Babylon & Tower of Babel was built in Iraq-- Genesis
10:8-97  &  11:1-4
* The confusion of the languages took place in Iraq--Genesis
11:5-11
* Abraham came from a city in Iraq--Genesis 11:31 & Acts 7:2-4
* Isaac's bride came from Iraq--Genesis 24:3-4 & 10
* Jacob spent 20 years in Iraq--Genesis 27:42-45 & 31:38
* The first world Empire was in Iraq--Daniel 1:1-2 &2:36-38
* The greatest revival in history was in a city in Iraq--Jonah 3
* The events of the book of Esther took place in Iraq--Esther
* The book of Nahum was a prophecy against a city in Iraq--Nahum
* The book or Revelation has prophecies against Babylon, which was the old name for the nation of Iraq--Revelation 17 & 18
 
No other nation, except Israel, has more history and prophecy associated with it than Iraq

Very Good, A4C

I am not posting this to argue about it, but the Garden which the Lord planted was eastward of Eden.

I know we all grew up, being taught the the Garden of Eden was in Eden, however the scriptures say it was EASTWARD OF EDEN.(Gen 2:8)

Would esatward of Eden still be Eden??

And, Eden is defined as a place where, ONE river went out of and parted into the head rivers of 4 others, of which two are presently known, the Tigris on the east, and the Euphartes, west of the Tigris (Gen 2:10)

And when Adam and Eve were driven from the Garden, they were driven to the east of Eden,

Where would this be??

How do I know this?  Because God set a Cherubim and a flaming sword at the EAST of the garden. Presumably to keep them away from the Tree of Life.

Then, we read at Gen 4:16, Cain went out to Nod, after he murdered his brother Able, this place was EAST of Eden.

Depending on how big  the land of Eden was, would depend on where the Garden was in reality, using just some plain logic, one would expect it to have been eastward of the river Euphrates , which could very well be where the nations of Syria, Iraq and Turkey exist today, assuming the the course of the Euphrates has not moved very far, one way or the other.

Nevertheless, the land where Iraq is today, is a desolate place a dry and thirsty land, where hardly anything grows, and yet it has all the water necessary for it to be a land flowing with milk and honey.

Yet God has not forsaken it, since it rains there too..


Blessings,
Petro


exist

I was looking at some ancient bible time maps and came across something interesting.   In Gen 17:8 God promises Abraham all the land of Canaan for everlasting posession.  Looking at some classic bible maps that I have, Canaan covers what we currently know as Israel today, and has a small swath that stretches all the way through Part of Jordan, into Damascus Syria, up into Northern Iraq, almost all the way to Iran!  Surely God will keep his promise to Abraham and all that land will be Israel's at some point.

I didn't realize all this land was part of God's promise to his people.   Neat stuff!

Grace and Peace!

The world or the earth was a very different place at the time of the Garden of Eden.  The major differences were:- 1) all the continents as we know them were joined together in one land mass and were not divided until after the flood Gen 10:25.  This could mean that what was east of Eden then could now be in any direction.   The Sahara desert was lush, green and fertile at one time, so maybe that was Eden.  

 2)  there was no weather or climate as we know it and man was protected from the sun by the water barrier in the atmosphere.  Hence they were able to live to far greater ages than us.  The Dinosaurs roamed the earth with man at that time.  It was only after the flood that they died out.

LOL

& the wicked witch of the west lived in a gingerbread house

Do you have a problem with the creation narrative?  ie. that the earth was created in one week.

I accept the creation as written.

It doesn't cause me any problems at all.

Then why do you have a problem with what I said?

I didn't say I agreed with your interpretation of it.

With respect, it is not helpful to put down what someone says without countering with a constructive comment.

Eg.  do you have an explanation for the incedible life spans of those pre-flood people?  

If you believe in a one week creation then where do the dinosaurs fit in.  As they did not exist before the creation.

Did I say that I believed in a one week creation?

How very confusing these replies are? ???
Is it possible for clarification of just what it is you believe? ???

Thanks,
Ollie

awww  :'(

You should have a pretty good idea from our discussions on the recently deleted forum.

ebia

Any chance of an answer to my questions?

Which questions would that be?

charlie,

Lets take it from the top.

The truth of the matter is, the earth was created in one day.

The entire creation was spoken into existence in six days.........God rested on the seventh day..

Now ask, the question?? concerning dinosaurs.

It is important to note;

Since there was no death, prior to the fall of man, all of the animals ate grass, and vegetation, they also lived long lives.

Petro

Cooking in God's oven at umpteen degree's for an eternity!
 ;D

Grace and Peace!

PS sorry, couldn't resist.

ebia,

These questions,

"With respect, it is not helpful to put down what someone says without countering with a constructive comment.

Eg.  do you have an explanation for the incedible life spans of those pre-flood people?  

If you believe in a one week creation then where do the dinosaurs fit in.  As they did not exist before the creation."

 

Thats right! Memories are so short these days.
 
Anyway I posted that more for Charlie's benefit as he may not know and your replies to him seem to be nothing of substance and confusing and you do not carry on the discussion by answering his questions to you. All this makes for an uninteresting thread.

The people are mythical.

Mind you, even if they were not a water canopy would not explain a massively increased lifespan.

I don't.   And dinosaurs came and went long before man came on the scene.

ebbia,

Thank you for your reply.

Lol Just a small joke about the dinasore's, what if God created them first as an experament? Seeing that they were not good he started over? And just because the Bible doesn't say that there were no dinasore's does not mean that they weren't there. ;D

ebia.
My thanks, also.

Ollie

Just my belief, but I dont believe that dinosaurs ever existed.  

Why?

I believe it is part of man's and the devils way of fooling everyone to believe a lie.  To explain how all the world came into being (the big bang theory, that man came from a micro-organism from the sea and developed into an ape that eventually developed into man the way he is today.  God is perfect, He doesnt make mistakes, and to say He just used dinosaurs as an experiment then wiped them out, thats like saying He didnt know what He was doing.

Gen 1:12 "....And God saw that it was good."

Gen 1:24 "Then God said, 'Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind'; and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good."

Gen 2:19 "Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name."

Also, the time of Noah, thats why two of every living creature was taken into the ark.  Male and female to re-populate the living creatures after the flood.  

Re ebbia

Er.. I thanked him/her for the reply but that doesn't mean I agreed with what he/she said.

Um, so where do you think all the skeletons of dinosaur's in museums etc across the world came from?

LOL!
The hardware store's plaster of paris bin, mixed, shaped, and mated up to a few found bones.

In the beginning the earth was empty and void some translate this as chaos and confusion.  I don't think it realy matters.  

The Creation took place approx 6,000 years ago.  Adam & Eve were placed in the garden of Eden and God created the animals and all creatures to be there in the garden with them.
This included dinosaurs and probably 1,000's of other species which along with the dinosaurs died out, mostly after the flood.

As I have said earlier the pre-flood world was very different from our world today.  I tried to explain about the water barrier in the atmosphere (only to be mocked) that protected mankind from the sun.  Today we only have a depleted ozone layer to protect us and any medical scientist will tell you that it is the sun's rays that age us prematurely.  Hence pre-flood people lived to 700, 800 even 900+ years of age.

The water barrier was held in the sky until the time of the flood when it fell from the sky for the first time.  The rainbow was a sign to Noah that the Lord would never bring another total flood to earth.  This must mean there was no rain before the flood (rain plus sunshine = rainbow) and the earth was irrigated by springs and under ground acquifers.  If you read the account of the flood these springs and acquifers also contributed to the flood.

The molten core of our earth suggests it is a very young planet not billions of years old,  because of its fluid state it would be easy for God to divide the earth as stated in Genesis 10:25  Do we have a powerful God or not?  Do you believe His word or don't you?  The word of God is not a written buffet where you can go round and pick this bit and reject that bit because you don't like it nor understand it.

The Bible refers to creature called the Leviathan, a huge creature.  I'll leave you to work that out for yourselves.

It matters quite a lot.  Either God made everything out of nothing, or he formed everything from an existing chaos.  The distinction says a heck of a lot about God.

UV light makes a small difference, but not to anything like that extent or Eskimos would live virtually forever, and Australian's would be toast.

The water barrier was held in the sky until the time of the flood when it fell from the sky for the first time.  The rainbow was a sign to Noah that the Lord would never bring another total flood to earth.  This must mean there was no rain before the flood (rain plus sunshine = rainbow) and the earth was irrigated by springs and under ground acquifers.  If you read the account of the flood these springs and acquifers also contributed to the flood.


Maybe to someone with no understanding of geology.


An all powerful God doesn't need things to be easy. I certainly believe God is capable of creating everything instantanously, but He's given us heaps of evidence of how He actually did it over billions of years.



I'm not rejecting any of it.  I believe you are completely missing the point of the creation story, which is meant to tell us about God, ourselves and our relationship to Him.  Not to be a factual account of the mechanics of it all.

He teaches us factually through His Word and has done for generations.  His word is written for all people not just vain intellectuals and scientists.  Geologists like all ists have there own agendas and that's not God's agenda.  They pluck numbers out of the air and rely on carbon dating which is a flawed measuring system ie one size fits all.

"Put not your trust in princes nor in men"  

I often think how lucky our ancestors were who didn't have all these servants of the devil ramming mumbo jumbo data down their throats.    

This taken from the International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia:

"The description in Job 41 has been thought by some to refer to the whale, but while the whale suits better the expressions denoting great strength, the words apply best on the whole to the crocodile. Moreover, the whale is very seldom found in the Mediterranean, while the crocodile is abundant in the Nile, and has been known to occur in at least one river of Palestine, the Zarḳa, North of Jaffa. For a discussion of the behemoth and leviathan as mythical creatures, see EB, under the word “Behemoth” and “Leviathan.” The points in the description which may well apply to the crocodile are the great invulnerability, the strong and close scales, the limbs and the teeth. It must be admitted that there are many expressions which a modern scientist would not use with reference to the crocodile, but the Book of Job is neither modern nor scientific, but poetical and ancient."

In reference to Job 41:1

Unless God claims that dinosaurs once walked the earth, I will stick with what He does tell us in the Bible.  Its easy for man to be snickered into the things that man and the devil wants us to believe.  The devil is constantly trying to discredit God and His creation so as to cause us to loose faith in Him.  True?
Think on all the other lies the devil has tried to make man believe that when it comes down to it, its intended to mock God and His creation and how He has told us to live.

The bible doesn't mention kangaroos, so I take it they don't exist either.

Reading from my contemporary English version of the bible in Genesis 1:21 So God made the giant sea monsters and all the living creature's that swim in the ocean........ Now can anyone tell me what most scientist believe all dinosaurs came from?........The sea duh.... So I guess you could say that the sea monster was the first dinosaur that God made, Or like many have said already Satan is the master of desaption, and can make man see and think thing's that aren't real.