Unconstitutional New Illinois Anti-Gun Law

[Soldier4Christ]

Unconstitutional New Illinois Anti-Gun Law

Cook County is at it again, trying to make legal gun owners as uncomfortable as possible. The Cook County Board of Commissioners is working on their latest unconstitutional set of gun laws and one particular idea they want to implement shows how disingenuous lawmakers can be.

As Kane County Chronicle columnist Steve Sarley writes:

This new legislation, if passed, would not allow gun dealers within 15 miles of another dealer, even if the other dealer was in a different county. Gun dealers also would be unable to be located within a mile of any public or private school, a mile from any church or place of worship, home for the aged, indigent or veterans, military stations or public parks.

In Illinois there is already a three day waiting period to purchase a handgun so, what logical sense does this one mile proscription make? Is that one mile distance from gun store to school supposed to make it harder for a gun crime to occur? Can we expect that this one mile proscription would make the distance harder to traverse after the three days a gun buyer had to wait before getting the gun? If such a buyer was going to use that gun he had to wait three days for in a crime, what difference does that one mile make if he was willing to wait three days before putting his criminal plan into action in the first place?

And anyone who can't figure out how to make it the one mile between a gun shop and a school… well, no law will help such a stupid person in any case.

But, look closer at the list of places that a one mile proscription affects. In fact, in a populated urban area, a gun shop would be illegal just about anywhere using such criteria. Parks, Churches, public and private schools… these things are around practically every corner of any US city and the cities in Cook County aren't any exception.

In effect, if this unconstitutional ordinance is passed, new gun stores will be illegal everywhere. This law may as well have been written to say that no gun store may be opened under the bright blue skies countywide. These lawmakers, while pretending that they are only looking out for the children, are effectively outlawing all gun shops. Under the guise of helping the children they are hiding their real goal.

Every upstanding gun owner in Cook County should vigorously oppose this travesty.

[David_james]

People should not be allowed to own a gun in the first place. Only police and similar jobs should have one.

[Soldier4Christ]

That's a very communistic attitude. It is the attitude that all the communistic leaders in history have had. They didn't want citizens to have the capability to protect themselves and possibly overthrow such oppressive, ruthless leaders.

It has also been proven that where citizens have the right to carry guns and have them in their own homes that crime rates are much lower. Such laws that prevent law abiding citizens from having guns only allows criminals to be armed and law abiding citizens with no means to protect themselves from those criminals. Another thing on this is that police cannot be everywhere all at the same time to do that protecting for them.

[Shammu]

People should not be allowed to own a gun in the first place. Only police and similar jobs should have one.

Hi David, on this we will disagree.

Living in the United States, we have the right to arms, this is in our "Bill of Rights." The Anti-christ will try and remove from people, there guns. This is a way, for him to remain in power without any problems.

I myself own, quite a few rifles, and pistols.

The antichrist who will control the Military and police forces of the world.

The antichrist will wage war against all who oppose him, which will be the Christians, those who reject Satan and follow Jesus as Christ and Lord. I would rather a Tribulation Saint, have my weapons to defend themselves.

"When a country has The Right to Bear Arms, They are Citizens, When a nation is disarmed They become subjects." - Unknown

Every modern nation of the world including England, Western Europe, Australia, Russia, China, Japan and Canada has virtually disarmed their citizens.

Today there is a growing movement In America for Gun Control spearheaded by The Democratic Party.

Socialism has been substituted for capitalism as "democracy" and "free market" decried as evil. In reality this belief system is "Marxism lite," wherein virtually all the major English-speaking countries have accepted the major tenets of Marxism without a struggle, including:
1. Abolition of private property in the name of the common (read soviet or collective) good. This includes abolishing any rights of property inheritance. (This is underway in various stages and countries, utilizing various legal mechanisms. It is by no means complete, but the principle is growing in acceptance.)
2. The populace must be disarmed (for their own safety, of course).
3. Government must maintain control of education and what is taught.
4. Maintain control over its citizens' lives from womb to tomb, including constant surveillance on their activities and private lives. In essence, law is becoming a means of defending government from the populace rather than the populace from government.
These are just a few examples David......

Hitler disarmed Germany before the people were subjugated. Stalin did the same in Russia as did Mao in Communist China. You have but to look at history to know where we will end up.

Although the political and social conditions in today's United States are radically different, the principle remains the same: a disarmed public can offer no resistance, when the government has all the weapons and the people have none.

[David_james]

This is how criminals get their guns.

Are you saying dw, that it's okay to aim a gun at an intruder and threaten to shoot them? I am sorry but that isn't right.

Remember Jesus said, those who live by the sword die by the sword. I know what this means. The sword is both literal and symbolic. The literal was what the disciples were using to fend off the soldiers. The symbolic is God's word. Jesus was saying to use God's word and not weapons.

[Shammu]

If I have a choice between my life and theirs, I will shoot. So you would rather that I get shot, by the criminal element. I've been an Arizona Ranger, trained in usie of fire arms. And no, this isn't how most criminals get their weapons. That is a popular mis-belief, created by the anti-gun folks.

Most criminal get their weapons, by buying them. Few actually steal the weapons cause the charges are harsher, when they are brought to court.

Yes your laws are different in Canada. Praise God, I don't live there. Thats nothing against Canada, just my beliefs.

[Soldier4Christ]

This is how criminals get their guns.

Not true. The majority of guns that criminals get are not those from law abiding citizens.

Are you saying dw, that it's okay to aim a gun at an intruder and threaten to shoot them? I am sorry but that isn't right.

If an armed intruder came into your home and threatened to kill your family and you were able to stop them would you do so or would you just stand there and watch them get killed because it "isn't right" to shoot them.

Remember Jesus said, those who live by the sword die by the sword. I know what this means. The sword is both literal and symbolic. The literal was what the disciples were using to fend off the soldiers. The symbolic is God's word. Jesus was saying to use God's word and not weapons.

Those who advocate pacifism do not fully understand what Jesus was trying to tell us. Here's just a few of the threads on this forum that are on this very subject. A wonderful Bible Study subject.

http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?topic=7567.0

http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?topic=19827.msg224293#msg224293

http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?topic=11894.0

[David_james]

I would stop the intruder but not with a lethal weapon!

Why do you have so many guns? You would only need one.
Also Canada is proven better, especially in education.

[Soldier4Christ]

Also Canada is proven better, especially in education.

It is the same as the U.S. The schools are no longer educating, they are indoctrinating in how to be liberal. Their emphasis is in putting evolution as a fact, homosexuality as being normal and abortion is the only answer to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

I would stop the intruder but not with a lethal weapon!

An armed intruder with the intent of killing you and your family will not be that easy to stop. A non-lethal weapon is no match for a gun in a killers hands.


Some interesting facts on guns and gun laws:

In 1968, the U.K. passed laws that reduced the number of licensed firearm owners, and thus reduced firearm availability. Their homicide rate has steady risen since then.

British authorities saw a 35-percent increase in gun violence in 2002 alone – not so ironically, that's just six years' removed from a nationwide ban on personal ownership of most firearms.

Australia banned private ownership of most guns in 1996, crime has risen dramatically on that continent – armed robberies by as much as 45 percent.

In the U.S.:

Forty states, comprising the majority of the American population, are "right-to-carry"
states. Statistics show that in these states the crime rate fell (or did not rise) after the right-to-carry
law became active (as of July, 2006). Nine states deny or restrict the right to carry.

Crime rates involving gun owners with carry permits have consistently been about 0.02%
of all carry permit holders since Florida’s right-to-carry law started in 1988.

After passing their concealed carry law, Florida's homicide rate fell from 36% above the
national average to 4% below, and remains it below the national average (as of the last reporting
period, 2005).

The serious crime rate in Texas fell 50% faster than the national average after Texas
passed a concealed carry law in 1995.

When citizens are allowed to carry concealed weapons:
• Murder rates drop 8%
• Rape rates fall 5%
• Aggravated assaults drop 7%

More to the point, crime is significantly higher in states without right-to-carry laws.

States that disallow concealed carry have violent crime rates 11% higher than national
averages.

Deaths and injuries from mass public shootings fall dramatically after right-to-carry concealed handgun laws are enacted. Between 1977 and 1995, the average death rate from mass shootings plummeted by up to 91% after such laws went into effect, and injuries dropped by over 80%.


Myth: The availability of guns causes crime

Though the number of firearms owned by private citizens has been increasing steadily since 1970, the overall rate of homicides and suicides has not risen. As the chart shows, there is no correlation between the availability of firearms and the rates of homicide and suicide in America.

Criminals are not motivated by guns. They are motivated by opportunity. Attempts
to reduce public access to firearms provide criminals more points of opportunity. It is little
wonder that high-crime cities also tend to be those with the most restrictive gun control laws –
which criminals tend to ignore.

A 1994 ban covered 19 different types of military assault weapons, including AK-47, Kalashnikov and Uzi rifles, as well as high-capacity ammunition magazines holding more than 10 rounds. Yet these weapons were found to increase after that time in the hands of gang members and criminals.

Research in the U.S. shows that more than 95 per cent of the times a gun is used in self-protection, the gun is not fired but merely displayed. There is no victim.

[David_james]

Well okay but I still don't like it

[Shammu]

I would stop the intruder but not with a lethal weapon!

If they were going ot kill you, how would you stop them David?

Why do you have so many guns? You would only need one.

Lets see, there a .308 Winchester deer rifle, 7mm Remington mag elk rifle, 12 guage shotgun for fowl, my pistols are a .38 super Co9lt, which Lizzie uses, and my .45 cal, for my defense.

[David_james]

Okay so I am a pasifist, so what? Not all Christians believe the same. I don't put my trust in a gun, I put it in God.

[Eva]

Good Afternoon David:

Amendment II of the Bill of Rights says-A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

I have two handguns, a 357 and a small 22, for my protection and that of my daughter.  Praise the Lord, I haven't had to use them, except at the firing range.  If either of our lives were in jeopardy, I would fire without hesitation. 

I do not feel that I would be violating Romans 12:19  Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

I appreciate your  position, as the bill of rights gives me the right to bear arms; it also gives you the option not to.

Love in Christ, Eva

[Soldier4Christ]

I put my trust in God also but there are some things that God expects us to do for ourselves. I have a brother that refuses to get medical care because he "puts his trust in God". I have heard from numerous people that refuse to work to earn money because they "put their trust in God" to take care of them. I realize that in some situations when we don't have the ability to do for ourselves that we have absolutely no choice but to rely completely on God as we then have no other choice. When God gives us the ability though to take care of ourselves then He expects us to do so.

[David_james]

I don't think God is going to help those who have guns more than those who don't believe in owning guns. The examples you gave are not being smart.

Sorry but I don't believe in owning guns and that is that