Adam was not deceived...

[Petro]

Mr. 5020,

Welcome to the forum.

posted by Mr. 5020
.  Jesus Christ is called "the last Adam."  Jesus gave His life for His bride, the Church.  If Adam was not deceived (which he wasn't, if you believe the Bible literally)

I agree wholeheartedly with this statement, however..

Some people confuse themselves by considering a theory like the one you put forth, the problem is that the first Adam was created a living soul, while the Last Adam became a (quickening)Life Giving Spirit according to (1 Cor 15:45)

There, is quite a difference, since if there is any theorizing, this theory ends, at the death of the first Adam, he would have had to die for his own sin, had it not been for the Last Adam.

So, the first Adam, could never have died for anyones elses sin/s, because, after his death, comes his judgementy.

Thank God for the NT, since it is at the genealogies in the Gospels, we find Adam's transgression covered by the shed blood of the last Adam, he (the first Adam, died) and the last Adam died for all who are dead because of sin, that they might be raised in the power of God, who has chosen those whom He will save from before the foundations of the worlds.

Anyhow, such a theory dies on the vine because it cannot be developed beyond this point..the point of the death of the first Adam.

Thanks for your contribution..

God Bless,

Petro

[Mr. 5020]

Mr. 5020,

Welcome to the forum.

Thank you.  

There, is quite a difference, since if there is any theorizing, this theory ends, at the death of the first Adam, he would have had to die for his own sin, had it not been for the Last Adam.

So, the first Adam, could never have died for anyones elses sin/s, because, after his death, comes his judgementy.

I, in no way, was implying that Adam died for Eve's sin (or anyone else's for that matter).  To say that, I believe, would be heresy.  I am simply saying that he is a type of Christ.  He loved his bride so much that he did not want to live without her, thus he gave up his life (i.e. Jesus).

Do you have any other reasons he would have taken and eaten the fruit?

[Petro]

Mr5020,

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you believed this, far out idea.

I could tell, from the way you began your post you didn't believe this at all.

I guess I really hadn't given this much thought, I don't know that Adam, nesecarily loved Eve more than God, but I can see, that sin, in it's embroynic stage, requires some action, in order to come to fruitition;

Eve saw, that the tree was good for food, pleasant to the eyes, to be desired, to make one wise, so she took and did eat.

I suspect Adam did exactly the same thing when she gave him to eat the fruit, he was drawn away of his own lust, and enticed, Then when lust had conceived, it brought forth sin: and sin, when it was finished, brought forth death, to the entire human race.

If this is true, as James, has written it, then Eve wasn't the focus of his lust (in this case), he was the center of himself, I suspect he was there beside Eve, when the serpent said;

Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.  (vs 4-5)

He wanted to be like God, knowing good and evil.

Actually what I see here is that Adam exhibited sefishness, when he chose to disobey God.

No I don't see, Eve was in his thinking at all, when he did this things, he gave up eternal life with God, for what he perceived was knowledge, and the ability to see what was hidden from him.

The fact is he died spiritually that moment and became alive to self, and blind to God and the things of God.

We have to die to self in order to do the will of God.

In so doing we are born again of the will of God. (Jhn 1:13)

Blessings,

Petro

[Petro]

To do the will of God the Father is what Jesus said;

the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Those that don't do the will of God, are not related to Him.

again,

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

And finally,

My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Blessings,
Petro

[Petro]

I see, i didn't make the point I desired in my last post at reply #17, so I have edited it to read as follows:

The fact is he died spiritually that moment and became alive to self, and blind to God and the things of God.

We have to die to self in order to do the will of God.

In so doing we are born again of the will of God. (Jhn 1:13)

Blessings,

Petro

[geralduk]

Yes that's right Adam knew full well what would happen so he was not decieved.  Only correction at the moment is Jeus is not the second Adam but the Last Adam.

1) It could be argued that Adams sin was WORSE.
    For Eve was decived.
    Adam just LISTENED TO HIS WIFE!
 2) Jesus is called the SECOND ADAM.
Because there was NOONE like unto the FIRST AFTER him till CHRIST.
He is called the LAST Adam to show that there will not be ANY AFTER Him like unto the first.
Adam because the First Adam was the 'father' of THIS or first generation.
Who have "living souls"
Jesus because He is like unto the first the 'father' of the LAST generarion.
Who have been QUICKNED by His Spirit.