Nullification of an Earthly Kingdom!

[asaph]

Hitch,
If it doesn't get any better than this then why is there still evil in the world? Will the evil last forever? When will it end? How will it end?

this is illustrated in Matthew 13

1Co 15:53  For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
When?

We have already gained eternal life, still we go through the historical process which includes physical death, and for those who went before, they also wait for resurrection, which as Jesus promised will come at the last day.

Are all Jesus' enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:25  For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
Has this happened yet?

In the judicail sense Christ  conquoered the wold when he defeated satan by resurrection.  again we are required to go through the historical process,we live intime, and just as God have given theLand to Israel, they still had to move in and take it. this requires time and effort.

Heb 2:8  Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
Do you see all things put under Jesus at present?

I take Christ at his word, and if he retains all power and authority in heaven and earth its hard to imagine  much in the way of leftovers

Why is there still evil in the world?

Because ,as above, Jesus said the good and the evil will exist side by side until the end.

Will the meek inherit the earth?
When?

The earnest was paid here

Mark 16:15
15   And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
(KJV)

Will the creation be in bondage to corruption at that time?
Or will there even be a physical creation?

Gee I though God said the creation was 'good'.  You dont like it?

Will we just be in some nebulous ethereal existence with no physical substance to weigh us down?

I refer you to  John chapter six 39-54.

Rom 8:19  For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Rom 8:20  For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom 8:21  Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Rom 8:22  For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Rom 8:23  And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Rom 8:24  For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Rom 8:25  But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

Has our body been redeemed yet? What does it mean for the body to be redeemed? When will this redemption take place.

see above reference.

Was Paul just a stupid futurist who needed the preterist to come and explain the spiritual application of these things to him? Hey Paul just wait till AD70 then all your questions will be answered. We will enter into a utopia that cannot be improved upon then. Yes AD70! I can't wait! All evil will be put down then!

LOL Well th eproto -typical antichrist state was disolved then,pretty good start eh? And Rome was nearly torn to pieces from the inside, so I like to compare these great powers, Rome  Israel and the Church. Of these which has survived and grown since AD 70?

Come on lets get real! Look around you. Look at your body. Look at the corruption every where.

now look at  Mat 13 and you tellme when the good and the evil anr finally seperated

What did AD 70 do for that. Jesus did not return in AD70.

Well gee Kieth thats pretty obvious...

Don't bother appealing to the unbeliever Josephus. Let's stop pussy footing around the real issues and stand up for truth.

asaph

take care

Hitch

sorry for editing have to head to work

Well Said.

asaph

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Hitch: please remember John 6:6 and the lessons thereof.
The flesh has no use; paul goes on to say

1Cr 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Repent of your "the Millenial Kingdom has already started" - theology Hitch, you know; it's not a sin to see where you lost your way.....

And yes, i know your answer, your defence, your attitude, but stop, just stop, and wait, and think why you want to *fight* me...

My advice: repent before the next war with Russia and the Islam unless you live in the midlands...  
then you will repent as soon as the next event starts. And yes; I have time, I have patience.

But you on the other hand always seem to run out of it.

[Hitch]

But you on the other hand always seem to run out of it.

That is certainly true in your case.

H

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answer me, do not throw mud.
you flamed up more then enough threads

note: ollie, the original thread starter, already unregistered from this forum

[asaph]

Heb 2:8  Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. Do you see all things put under Jesus at present?  
I take Christ at his word, and if he retains all power and authority in heaven and earth its hard to imagine  much in the way of leftovers

I am confused at your answer here in light of Heb 2:5 FF.

Heb 2:5  For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
Heb 2:6  But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?
Heb 2:7  Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Heb 2:8  Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

Note: For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come...But now we see not yet all things put under him.

Would not this plainly say that there is a future date of total subjection of all things under Him? I understand judicially this is already true. It's like a foreclosure, we are waiting for the actual set time for the physical manifestation.

Will the creation be in bondage to corruption at that time?
Or will there even be a physical creation?  
Gee I though God said the creation was 'good'.  You dont like it? Quote:

Whether I like it or not is moot; Romans plainly tells us that the creation will someday be delivered from the bondage of corruption. What think ye?

Rom 8:21  Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

asaph

[Hitch]

answer me, do not throw mud.
you flamed up more then enough threads

note: ollie, the original thread starter, already unregistered from this forum

If you has a question I missed.  I do not 'answer' unsolicted advice.

Niether did I toss anthing your way except to agree with you that I have no patience,,, in your case.

[Hitch]

Will the creation be in bondage to corruption at that time?
Or will there even be a physical creation?  
Gee I though God said the creation was 'good'.  You dont like it? Quote:

Whether I like it or not is moot; Romans plainly tells us that the creation will someday be delivered from the bondage of corruption. What think ye?

Rom 8:21  Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

asaph

I didnt understand the first question.

As to Romans; I reckon we see bits and pieces of this with every miracle recorded in Scripture. Most of which require the addition of new energy into the universe. An imposiblity, with out God.
Christ is the l focus of history. Not chronologically but as believers we know all previous history looked forward to his coming, just as all history since looks backward to his coming.The focus of this attention is supernatural. The physical resurrection if Christ . An infusion of new energy into the cosmos. Not the first but far and away the most powerful to date.  The 'First Fruits'.

So its seems logical that since God created all we see,and dont see in nature, and altered the day to day existence of it   by the supreme power of Resurrection of one Man ,forever changing the world we know, the resurrrection of all who have ever lived will bring permanent change, by much the same external energy infusion, to the whole of creation could not remain the same. As you noted  sin was  dealt with judicially, so far as we who struggle are concerned, but Christ's doings are powerful beyond what we can understand and he dealt with sin, and its derivities, death and degradation, by his coming to the physical,the Nativity, and his paving of the way ahead, by Resurrection. What is extraordinay is that he must bend to even look at the stars of heaven and  yet he humbled himself to the point of coming as an infant, set from eternity as the Sacrfice. Only this way could he lead us through Resurrection,  obviously had he not sufferred death he could not be raised.

sorry to get so preachy.

If you're saying Paul thinks all creation will be forever altered by the Resurrection,,yup. It was and it will be.

Take care

Hitch