WHAT ABOUT PASTORS WHO LET THIER CHILDREN...

[dandirom]

The first thing you should do is pray about. Ask God for guidance...  If you read the Bible, what you do here is be bold... Tell what is wrong because as i see it people in your Church have been blinded.  Confront if you need to; but, if you do you have to have a fellow Christian who stand in the thruth.

I forgot the exact verse where Paul confront the church where there is an adultery going on.  If your church will not face the problem it has; the punishment of God may be felt by all.

I think you mean 1 Corinthians 5.  The qualifications are all in the Bible, take 1 Timothy 3 for example.  'One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with alll gravity:
(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?).

And in Titus 1, 'If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having FAITHFUL CHILDREN not accused of riot or unruly.'

[piusx]

  forgive me for pointing out the obvious but in my neck of the woods, pastors (we like to call them priest) are not supposed to have any children. I supposed God intended it to be this way specifically for situations like this.

[Soldier4Christ]

forgive me for pointing out the obvious but in my neck of the woods, pastors (we like to call them priest) are not supposed to have any children. I supposed God intended it to be this way specifically for situations like this.

Here I must disagree again for there is no where in the God's word that says that. In fact it says the opposite:

1Ti 3:2  A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1Ti 3:3  Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
1Ti 3:4  One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
1Ti 3:5  (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

[piusx]

  First let me say that as a man of God I respect you. However when these things were written these terms did not mean the same thing. What is worse deliberate mistranslation were employed when the protestants switched from the vulgate. It is true that the Greek Orthodox allow thier priest to marry...but never the Bishops.

[Soldier4Christ]

Even if we go back to the Greek wording we still see the same thing. We also see that some of the Apostles were married.

Mat 8:14  And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever.

[piusx]

i never suggested that some of the apostles were not married. All i am saying is that god does not intend for priest to be married because if he did then they would be.

[Soldier4Christ]

i never suggested that some of the apostles were not married. All i am saying is that god does not intend for priest to be married because if he did then they would be.

Priest are not married because of their own choosing. It has nothing to do with what God does or does not want them to do.

[piusx]

  you got me there. I have not a clue as to what you are sayng. Are you suggesting that priest choose not to marry? that boggles my mind... in a respectfull manner of course

[Soldier4Christ]

That is a choice that priests made. This is what Paul was talking about when he said that he wish that others would do as he did (paraphrased). Paul chose not to marry but he did not teach that the others could not do so, including those that were leaders of a church. In fact he approved of their doing so within certain guidelines.

[piusx]

  I guess this is where i fall in the great divide. The bible is open to so many interpretations. Just like the constitution. Where would we be without the Supreme Court to intrepret it for us. That is why we have the Curia. A court of Apostlic Successors to Peter to intrepret the bible. This is why we have such rancor and division among the protestants.

[Soldier4Christ]

This is why we have such rancor and division among the protestants.

There is also a lot of rancor and division amongst the catholics. Now I must warn you. We are not going to have another catholic/protestant war here so don't get started on it by making such comments. We are not going to have teachings that are quite plainly against the teachings of the Bible. You asked some questions and I gave you what the Bible says, not what some man told me to say. The Bible is our first and final authority not a man. Jesus Christ is the head of the church not a man.

Eph 1:22  And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Eph 1:23  Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Eph 5:23  For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

Col 1:18  And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.


The church mentioned here is not a certain denomination or brick and mortar building, it the assembly of those saved by the grace of God.

[piusx]

there was a catholic/protestent war? when was this?
my intention is not to cause rancor, I am just trying to understand why protestants are well...protestants.

[Soldier4Christ]

The war was here on this forum. This forum is about uniting Christians not division by the teaching of denominations. Denominations are the product of man, not God.

[piusx]

here Pastor we have Perfect concord.

[GKB]

excellent point pastor roger.

when your right you are right! those last words were spoken from a standpoint of relationship with god, one that goes past religion!