LittlePilgrim and Arpel,
But if both of you are admitting that science cannot prove the existence of God, why should I believe in a God??
Hello wondering, Please let me explain myself.
The reason why science cannot prove their is a God, is because of the parameters established by the laws made for the study of science.
You see wondering, the study of science is limited (that is to say, they are supposed to be limited) to the Laws of Thermodynamics however, the study of the science of evolution is made through theories outside of these laws by speculation, supposition, pre suppositions, opinions and contemplated analysis; it is not tested in a laboratory to prove the theorem, this is why the hypothesis of evolution is unproven after gemerations of being taught as fact in the institutions of higher learning, on the contrary the recent discoveries in our generation have disproved many assumptions and myths postulated by the so called eminent proponents and teachers of the evolutionary theory, so that today a new teaching is taking its place, that of intelligent design.
Those honest scientists who will admit evolution may be flawed are begining to gravitate towards this new teaching, but they are reluctant to credit the intelligence to The Creator; so they continue in darkness grappling with the question; Where did man really come from?
This darkness is spoken of in this way by The Creator;
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2 Cor 4:3-4
or,
The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble. Prov 4:19
You say that this creation couldn’t have come from nothing, so how do we know God exists other than creation itself?
I never said the things created could never prove the existence of to the contrary, the creation confirms the handywork of The Creator. It only confirms it, it cannot prove it.
Let me explain this to you in simple terms;
If the company that made airplanes obtained and took all of the necessary parts and laid them out on the ground in a great field, no matter how good the weather got in a millions years, the parts would never assemble themselves together to make ab airplane that can be flown.
Even if you took a living dog and placed him in a sterile liquifying machine and then, after scrambling him left him in this sterile environment, the DNA that makes up the living dog could never reassemble this dog again, so that one could say this is a dog.
I ask you why, is this not possible?
You know why, because when you rearrange DNA (the building blocks which make up all living things) to that degree the thing dies. Only the giver of life can cause it to ever be reassembled into a living organism.
By the way, God has promised to do this very thing so He can judge mankind, He will resurrect men at the last day so that they may receive in their bodies what they sowed in their bodies Daniel 12:1-2 and 2 Cor 5:10, if you would like to read more about this read Revelation chapters 20 and 21.
The question still remains, Why won't the scrambled dog re assemble itself?
Surely, All the ingredients necessary to make a dog are their.
Yet scientist who hypothezise this false theory, have some believing that life originated in a pool of primordial soup, and from that their imation took off, so that today without so much as proof of a missing link, they have built a family tree for man from the great apes.
Though I have seen some people in my lifetime that resemble chimps, they are far from being decendants of one, it's a hard one to swallow, yet they teach it as holy writ of evolution.
If one day walking down the street we happen to meet, in a sidewalk conversation how could you prove to me the existence of God?
I could never prove anything to you, concerning God, because if you believe evolution you have already rejected the thought that He exists, inspite of the fact, you see His Creation with your own eyes. The things visible are the proof.
Now for those who have not rejected a Creator out of hand, an are seeking the Creatorl
ultimately ,He must be received by FAITH, since He is a Spirit, and them that worship Him, must do so spiritually.
Notice what His word says;
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
For by it the elders obtained a good report.
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Heb 11:1-3
No one has seen God, yet He has revealed Himself to those that diligently have sought Him throughout the generations and has confirmed the promises which He made to Abraham and His Seed, and that Seed is Jesus, who died for your sin of unbelief.
In a nut shell here it is;
The bad news first;
All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, because of Adams sin of disobedience. we humans are born spiritually dead, with a sin nature, we are unable to do anything about this other than to heap sin upon sin all our lives before God. See Rom 3:23 and Rom 3:10-18
God is calling sinners to repentance in this age, because He has appointed a Judge who will judge righteouly all men, He will pardon those who want to be pardoned but will not acquit the guilty, those who have no interest in a pardon. Read Acts 17:29-30
Now the Good News;
Rom 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
John 3:16-17
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Rom 10:9-11
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
This the gospel, if you believe this you can possess eternal life, if you reject it, where else and to whom, can you appeal the coming judgment.
You also made mention that only God can change hearts, but I would like to ask how do you account for those who change from a bad, degraded degree to that of something good and respectable in society, and ? I think we all might know someone who has done this without a God.
thank you
You mean people can change their lives from bad to good, this is true, but this has nothing to do with God, your own claim herein confirms it
"this person changed their heart without a God",
and I agree with this, it appears that this can be done, smokers quit smoking, drunks give up drinking, addicts give up drug use, but what does this have to with God, they still swear and shake their fist at Him.
What gain is there in this, eternally speaking, hey all will still be judged, the question still remains;
What have you done with Jesus?
Only God can change hearts
Yes he does, and that promises is made to whom ever comes to Him with a broken and a contrite heart, notice;
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Rom 10:13
Isaih 57:15-16
For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones. For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made.
Ezekiel 18:31-32
Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel? For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.
Ezekiel 36:26-27
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Yes sir, Man needs a heart operation, and only God can perform this one.
This is the heart operation I am talking about.
Hey, it has been great sharing with you.
God Bless you with wisdom.
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