liberal media

[Soldier4Christ]

I don't think anyone called it an accident or meant to infer that it was such. Very poor judgement and self control by the police but not an accident. Manslaughter would most likely fit the situation but not murder.

[Bronzesnake]

I don't think anyone called it an accident or meant to infer that it was such. Very poor judgement and self control by the police but not an accident. Manslaughter would most likely fit the situation but not murder.

You're quite right Pastor Roger. I misread phill's post. He said ""unfortunate incident". I saw it as "accident"

I do understand how it could happen during a time of such devestating loss, and I do sympathize with the officers. The guy came out of a house which was under survailance, and he did have a dark complexion. It's unfortunate that the cop who was surveiling took a pee break and did not see that the wrong man came out of the building.
However, my sympathy is greater for the man who was killed and his family.
There is no choice, these cops must be charged with manslaughter. I'd like to hear from the police who were involved. That could change my opinion. I need to know what he was feeling at the time he shot that guy seven times in the head.

The officer who was holding the guy down said he felt the bullits wizzing past his ear. The shooter was obviously terrified for him to not only kill someone who was being held down, but to shoot so many shots so close to his partner's head.

It's a very sad situation for the dead man's family, and the officer and his family.

[Florida_Catholic]

My question was:

Please show me - from any main media outlet – an actual news story that states or even implies the statement “Iraq was responsible for the attacks of September 11th” - and please give me the statement in context.

 
You answered by posting long PDF file with a list of alleged poll questions/answers.  My request was plain: "and please give me the statement in context".  That is something you are obviously unable to do.

Sorry about the "long PDF", I didn't realize you were so averse to reading.  The reason I didn't attempt to fulfill your request exactly like you asked is that it's irrelevant in the context of our discussion.  I did not say that the media was lying to people and actually saying that Iraq was responsibile for the 9/11 attacks (though some instance of this may exist, especially outside the mainstream media).  What my point was: the media made a minimal, if any, effort to inform the public that these widely held beliefs that Iraq was involved in the 9/11 attacks was indeed false.  What the "long PDF" goes on to show is that you're more likely to believe these falsehoods if you primarily get your news from certain sources and less likely from others.  I might recommend PBS or reading the paper for your news, since people who got most of their news from PBS or newspapers were among the least confused about these facts.

[Bronzesnake]

My question was:

Please show me - from any main media outlet – an actual news story that states or even implies the statement “Iraq was responsible for the attacks of September 11th” - and please give me the statement in context.

 
You answered by posting long PDF file with a list of alleged poll questions/answers.  My request was plain: "and please give me the statement in context".  That is something you are obviously unable to do.

Sorry about the "long PDF", I didn't realize you were so averse to reading.  The reason I didn't attempt to fulfill your request that directly is that it's irrelevant in the context of our discussion.  I did not say that the media was lying to people and actually saying this (though some instance of this may exist).  What my point was: that the media made a minimal if any effort to inform the public that these widely held beliefs that Iraq involved in the attacks was false.  What the "long PDF" goes on to show is that you're more likely to believe these falsehoods if you primarily get your news from certain sources and less likely from others.  I might recommend PBS or reading for your news, since people who got most of their news from PBS or newspapers were among the least confused about these facts.

My friend. It is almost impossible to read a post when it is entirely in quotations.
 If use the quotations on "quotes" only, and add your comments in full text, we can read your posts.

Thanks friend.

[Bronzesnake]

Those officers were terrified because of the situation during that time in London.

If the officers were "terrified" as you say, then they had no business being police officers. Part of their job is to make rational decisions and if you are "terrified" you're not thinking ratioanlly.

And I suppose the officers in Fayette county PA who shot a 13-yr old kid in the back were "terrified" also.

When Moses' murder was discovered, he fled to Egypt because he knew what he faced. Now when cops murder someone they simply "lawyer-up" and take a week's paid vacation.

I think that says something about our so-called "free country".

In the heat of an altercation, anyone can become terrified, even cops.

I've listened to many officers who were involved in the L.A. bank robbery where armed robbers toting high-powered assault rifles, with armour piercing ammo, and wearing full body armour shot several people, including police officers, and the police said they were terrified.

My own cousin was a cop, he's dead now, but once he was involved in a shoot out and his partner was shot and died right in front of him. My cousin was terrified.

Anyone who comes face to face with his or her own death who says he wasn't terrified is a liar.

The kinds of cops you believe in don't exist. Watch TV and you'll find some Robocops there, but I live ion the real world.

I don't know anything about the "13 year old kid" so I can't comment on it.

[Soldier4Christ]

Amen brother John.

Phil,

Police, Military and anyone in that position are human. They are capable of all human frailties including making a mistake in judgement due to overwhelming fear.

I was in the Military. Personally I would not want a partner with me that did not admit that they could be afraid. A person that does not admit to fear in such a situation is a very dangerous person to be around. They can get themselves and those around them killed very easily.

[forgiven2]

You know, none of us are even close to perfect. We all make mistakes, some of them really bad.
I always try to put myself into someone else's shoes and think like they think. Although we don't like to think our present emotions might play a part in our actions, they usually will.
I'm really surprised that more "mistakes" aren't made everywhere, especially war zones and where the terrorist threats are the greatest, like the iraqis who were killed on that bridge when someone said there was a bomber there. If we are in the line of fire, we will make mistakes.
I think God is in charge of everything and when people die, from whatever reason, it is their appointed time to die.
It may be an accident, disease, natural disaster, or outright murder or war.
There needs to be less finger pointing and more of what can I do to help these situations. Only One can control everything, and that is God. we are His tools.
Everyone from the local to the feds have responsibility.  

[nChrist]

When police are no longer held accountable for their actions AND THEY KNOW IT, they are no longer police, but vigilantes.

Phil121,

This and other posts you've made make you sound like an anarchist. The police, just in this country, make millions of contacts every day, and only a tiny number incidents of wrong doing hit the news in the time span of a year. You can count on the fact that the liberal news media loves that kind of story, and they will air all they can get. So, the statistics indicate that the police in this country are very professional, and they are trying to do a difficult job in the best possible manner.

If you do as well in your line of work, you will be doing good.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Colossians 2:8-10 NASB  See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;

[Shammu]

When police are no longer held accountable for their actions AND THEY KNOW IT, they are no longer police, but vigilantes.

Yes they are held accountable. Your baised opinion is showing, again.

The scope and meaning of "accountability" has been extended in a number of directions well beyond its core sense of being called to account for one's actions. It has been applied to internal aspects of official behaviour, beyond the external focus implied by being called to account; to institutions that control official behaviour other than through calling officials to account; to means of making officials responsive to public wishes other than through calling them to account; and to democratic dialogue between citizens where no one is being called to account. In each case the extension is readily intelligible because it is into an area of activity closely relevant to the practice of core accountability. However, in each case the extension of meaning may be challenged as weakening the importance of external scrutiny

Just as people are held accountable for their actions. They will be held accountable for their criminal actions.

Resting in the hands, of Jesus.
Bob

Malachi 3:15 And now we call the proud happy; yea, they that work wickedness are set up; yea, they that tempt God are even delivered.

[ollie]

I must agree that the media played a very large part in the turnout of Viet Nam but I cannot say that they were the only problem. The media giving the spotlight to the anti-war crowd, boosting them up, egging them on was in fact a major factor.

This is America with freedom of speech and the right to dissent. A one sided view becomes totalitarian and dictator bound. Thank God for our checks and balances government with our two party system and the three branches in our government.

[ollie]

Florida

The liberal bias in the media is a myth used by conservatives as a part of political games.

The liberal media is far from being a myth. That would be like saying no media sources had any political agendas which you yourself admitted to be a fact when you said the radio waves were dominated by conservatives.

If I remember right it was the liberal media that started the rumor about 9/11 being connected to Iraq then later using it against the conservatives.

It is the liberal media that has caused a lot of discension against the Military just as they did during Viet Nam.

Phil,

The death of that Brazilian was indeed unfortunate but your prejudice against law enforcement is clouding your vision here. It was an unfortunate and very sad incident and nothing more.

"It is the liberal media that has caused a lot of discension against the Military just as they did during Viet Nam."

It was not dissention against the military, but rather how the military was/is used by the government. Just as it is today.

50,000 Americans dead/sacrificed and what was the outcome?

Oh the media, dissenters, Kerry and Jane Fonda caused it. Hogwash!

[Soldier4Christ]

That is true also, however when things go as they did in Viet Nam such "freedom of speech" became a hazard that was the cause of many people getting killed that was not necessary. North Viet Nam was just about ready to give up and attempt to find a peaceful resolution but was spurred on by the many people in America that was against the war.

When free speech turns into treasonous speech then nothing but failure is ahead for that country and its people.


Mat 12:25  And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

[Florida_Catholic]

Commentary from citizens on how the country should be governed is not treason, it's democracy.

[Soldier4Christ]

A simple commentary by the citizens is in fact democracy. When it moves beyond simple commentary to supporting the enemies (even if it is only verbally) then it moves into the arena of treason.

[forgiven2]

Amen, Pastor Roger, I think we can say and criticize anything, but I do not agree with group protests that will harm our country. I have heard that many in protest groups are hired to come in and protest. I believe many of them like to grandstand and grab attention. Just like when a tv camera comes around, many people will wave, crowd into the picture and make a spectacle of themselves. They love to be the center of attention.