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« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2003, 04:46:24 AM »

If you are not enjoying your Christianity more than you did when you were saved something is wrong! Are you trying to live under a yoke of bondage? Let us keep in mind what Paul was trying to teach the Galatians in chapter three! For he said in chapter two verse sixteen Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith of Jesus Christ even we have believed in Jesus Christ that we might be justified by faith of Christ and not by the works of the law: for bye the works of the law shall no flesh be justified


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« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2003, 09:57:09 AM »

PSALM 119 [84] How many are the days of thy servant? when wilt thou execute judgment on them that persecute me?[85] The proud have digged pits for me, which are not after thy law.[86] All thy commandments are faithful:
they persecute me wrongfully; help thou me.
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« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2003, 12:21:32 PM »

PSALM 119 [84] How many are the days of thy servant? when wilt thou execute judgment on them that persecute me?[85] The proud have digged pits for me, which are not after thy law.[86] All thy commandments are faithful:
they persecute me wrongfully; help thou me.

Hello Wreck,

You would call it persecution to spend 7 days a week in fellowship with the Lord and Saviour instead of 1. I don't believe this will fly. Your balloon is lead, and you dug your own pit.
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« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2003, 09:47:49 PM »

Brother Ambassador4Christ, I think you are gravely mistaken on this matter, I have to agree with Wreck N Sow.

You see, the 9 commandments (The "two" last ones are really one command, just read Exodus chapter 20) are to be kept even today and by all people. The 9 commandments were ethic laws given to (apply to) all of mankind for all time, whereas the rest of the laws were specific for that time and for the jewish people. See the clear seperation of these two sets of laws when reading the end of chapter 20 and the beginning of chapter 21 in Exodus.

Jesus himself said he had not come to abolish the law but to confirm it!

Regarding the sabbath: This is a gift from God, to keep us from wearing ourselves out from work. God gave us one day a week to relax. He made this a law so that any God-fearing employer would have to respect a worker's right to sunday off. (or was it saturday?) Why would this law no longer apply? People still work don't they?
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« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2003, 10:14:20 PM »

Hi BEPs,
If you go back and look at my last post you will see i said nothing.If something convicted you, it was the WORD.And not 1 of them are my words.
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« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2003, 11:17:44 PM »

BROTHER LOVE, you asked
If you are not enjoying your Christianity more than you did when you were saved something is wrong! Are you trying to live under a yoke of bondage?

NO, JUST THE PERFECT LAW OF LIBERTY

JAMES 1  [22] But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.[23] For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:[24] For he
beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.[25] But whoso
looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of
the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

The perfect law of liberty-blessed be the man that be a doer of the work

JAMES 2  [9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.[11] For he that said,
Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.[12] So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Do not commit adultry,do not kill(the 10 commandments)-  and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

PSALM 119  [42] So shall I have wherewith to answer him that reproacheth me: for I trust in thy word.[43] And take not the word of truth utterly out of my mouth; for I have hoped in thy judgments.[44] So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.[45] And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.[46] I will speak of thy testimonies also before kings, and will not be ashamed.[47] And I will delight myself in thy commandments,
which I have loved.

So shall I keep thy law continually AND delight myself in thy commandments and WILL WALK AT LIBERTY-That cant be misinterpreted

AINT THE WORD OF GOD GREAT

DEUT.13  [3] Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.[4] Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.[5] And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him - HE redeemed you out of the house of bondage

DEUT.6  [12] Then beware lest thou forget the LORD, which brought thee forth out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.[13] Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name.[14] Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;[15] (For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.[16] Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.[17] Ye shall diligently keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and his testimonies, and his statutes, which he hath commanded thee.

The LORD, which brought thee forth out of the land of Egypt, from the HOUSE OF BONDAGE.
Ye shall diligently keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and his testimonies. Hey theres the law and the testimony again. Just like the WORD says in Revelations.
NOW????Brother love, what bondage am i walking in?
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« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2003, 02:00:18 AM »

Brother Ambassador4Christ, I think you are gravely mistaken on this matter, I have to agree with Wreck N Sow.

You see, the 9 commandments (The "two" last ones are really one command, just read Exodus chapter 20) are to be kept even today and by all people. The 9 commandments were ethic laws given to (apply to) all of mankind for all time, whereas the rest of the laws were specific for that time and for the jewish people. See the clear seperation of these two sets of laws when reading the end of chapter 20 and the beginning of chapter 21 in Exodus.

Jesus himself said he had not come to abolish the law but to confirm it!

Regarding the sabbath: This is a gift from God, to keep us from wearing ourselves out from work. God gave us one day a week to relax. He made this a law so that any God-fearing employer would have to respect a worker's right to sunday off. (or was it saturday?) Why would this law no longer apply? People still work don't they?

Where does it say confirm it?
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« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2003, 03:57:50 AM »

Wreck N Sow Said "AINT THE WORD OF GOD GREAT"


AAAAAAAAAAAAAMEN!!!!

Now when you get to understand it, it will be a lot better.

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« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2003, 05:09:03 AM »

"God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God" (2 Corinthians 5:21).


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« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2003, 10:41:20 AM »

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PSALM 7 [6] Arise, O LORD, in thine anger, lift up thyself because of the rage of mine enemies: and awake for me to the judgment that thou hast commanded.[7] So shall the congregation of the people compass thee about: for their sakes therefore return thou on high.[8] The LORD shall judge the people: judge me, O LORD, according to my righteousness, and according to mine integrity that is in me.[9] Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins.

When Jesus rises to shake the earth-[8] The LORD shall judge the people: judge me, O LORD, according to my righteousness, and according to mine integrity that is in me.[9] Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end

Its true that our righteousness will fall short. We all have sinned. Thats where the grace of God comes in and righteousness of Jesus Christ. But if you practice unrighteousness,well...that aint good.

ISAIAH 48 [17] Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.[18] O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

You do know who your redeemer is?
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« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2003, 07:11:28 PM »

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Where does it say confirm?
HOMIE
Sorry, I was paraphrasing. It says "fulfil", not "confirm".

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

My points still stand though, has anyone refuted them?
The idea that the law no longer applies is ludicrous.
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« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2003, 07:56:36 PM »

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Where does it say confirm?
HOMIE
Sorry, I was paraphrasing. It says "fulfil", not "confirm".

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

My points still stand though, has anyone refuted them?
The idea that the law no longer applies is ludicrous.

Homie,

Here is the mystery and secret. Man didn't and couldn't, so Jesus Did fulfill the Law on the cross with HIS precious BLOOD. Man can't enjoy or appreciate this perfect GIFT until he or she understands what the GIFT was and what it meant.

If you wish to seek joy, seek the understanding of THE GIFT.
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« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2003, 12:14:59 AM »

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If your new at this and excited that youve found all these wonderful things in the WORD, brace yourself. These and all sunday go to meeting guys(and im not judging them, just speaking the truth)only believe in few lines of scripture. And they are in new testament and taken out of context.Their teachers have taken single lines out of the bible and have built doctrines out of them.You can tell them in order to recieve the Holy Spirit the WORD says you must keep the commandments. They dont believe that part of the Word. Enter the Kindom you must keep the commandments. They dont believe that scripture either. Most of em have Adoph Hitler right there in heaven right now. He believed and in fact thought he was settin up the 1000 yr period of rest. They say once saved always saved.Saved and born again. Ya die, flit off to heaven ,grab a harp and join the quior.And they believe nothin said in the old.They only believe smooth things which there itching ears wanna hear. Even invented a rapture thing so they wouldnt have to go through any bad stuff. I guess it sooths them but no matter, the WORD will come to pass.Homie, i dont mean to be so negitive, but ive been doin this for a while and its just the way it is. I know ya couldnt tell it by my words ive written here but i really like all these people here and i wish them the best. At best i think im only sowin seed here, but maybe somewhere down the road the seed will sprout.The WORD says all through the book(new and old) its the 10 commandments of God AND the testimony of Jesus Christ. Not one or the other.
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« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2003, 12:36:52 AM »

It's always such a shame that you don't fully understand the Word wreck n sow.  We too have shown you the scriptures that you can never answer.  I'm not going to keep on showing you either.  

Oh yeah BTW it's spelled choir not quior.  Although I don't think I've heard that being the discription of heaven.

homie, comfirm and fulfil are NOT the same thing you see.  Try to get a grasp on that and so much more will be shown to you.
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« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2003, 01:00:15 AM »

Hello Wreck,

Wreck might be appropriate, but sow would not. If you are sowing seeds, they are weeds in a cultivated flower bed. If you are spreading something, it would be poison.

Let me offer you a few words of advice. First, when you use the word "Scripture", that is with a big "S", not a little "s". Second, the word which describes a group of singing people is, "choir". Christians who fellowship with their Lord and Saviour 7 days a week do quite a bit of singing, because they are happy.

You deny there will be a Rapture, and you also deny the power and purpose for the crucifixion of our Lord and Saviour. I'm not sure what else you deny, but I'm sure that you deny yourself of the joy and peace that comes from every day fellowship with the Lord and Saviour. Anyone who has ever experienced this joy and fellowship will have no interest in what you have to offer. You place more importance on your own actions than the PERFECT SACRIFICE of JESUS CHRIST. You also deny the GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD. In short, you have nothing to offer or talk about. You either haven't heard the GOOD NEWS, THE GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD, or you reject it.

When you try to save yourself with your own works or righteousness, you HAVE NONE. Here is the beauty of THE GIFT OF CHRIST ON THE CROSS. Those who have accepted HIM as their personal LORD AND SAVIOUR LIVE IN HIM, WALK WITH HIM, AND HAVE HIM IN THEIR HEARTS 24 HOURS A DAY, 7 DAYS A WEEK. Those who reject the GIFT have NOTHING. Those who are vain enough to believe they can save themselves by being good, doing good, obeying the Law, or anything else short of accepting JESUS CHRIST AS THE ONLY WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE have nothing. Here is the beautiful secret, "JESUS PAID IT ALL, AND ALL TO HIM I OWE." Jesus Christ fulfilled something you COULD NOT, THE LAW. This is the GOOD NEWS, the GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD.

Here is the rest of the secret. This is the ONE GOSPEL, THE GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD. The Holy Bible is quite blunt in this regard, if one tries to preach any other Gospel, let him be accursed. The GOOD NEWS IS JESUS AND GOD'S GRACE.
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