A barrel of apples

[cris]

Thank you.  I didn't say child was not capable of working.  I said no one wants to hire them.  These are the ones who fall through the cracks.

Also, situation would not be deemed elder abuse.  As I said, it's a very complex situation getting worse by the day.  Hope has dimmed considerably.

All of the organizations (state) have prerequsites (one must fall into one of them).  This family doesn't, hence, caught between a rock and hard place.

Let me briefly give you a bit more.  One of the children got saved when he was about 11 years old.  Even though he had learning problems, and was rejected by his peers because of an inability to socialize appropriately, he was on fire for the Lord.  Knowing he might be further ostracized, he still carried a bible to high school and preached the Word to whoever would listen.  At that time, bible toting didn't carry the penalty that it does now.  Fortunately, one of his teachers that knew him was saved, also.  The mother told me this teacher said this young man's heart was in the right place.  I'll never forget that.  Now, not having a father or step-father who encouraged this young man but rather degraded him whenever he could, what kind of attitude do you think this young man has now?  Not real nice.  He's a bit sour and who could blame him considering the abuse he's gone through.  It's really a travesty.  In the beginning of the story, called a barrel of apples with contamination, this is what I was referring to.  There's much more, as if what I 've already said wasn't enough.

The type abuse described here leaves no visible marks.  The abuser doesn't appear any different from anyone else, but he is.  Don't know if you followed the Scott Peterson murder trial, but it's an example of someone who isn't quite human.

Grace and peace,
cris

 

[MalkyEL]

thanx, cris, for bringing this thread to my attention.  It has been very interesting to read and see how people are responding.

I was married to a man like that.  Not quite as intense, but a manipulator and extremely verbally abusive.  Everyone thought he was a spiritual giant.  He hides his evil side very well, except from me and his kids.

Thankfully he left me because he could not control me and had no effect on me - but that was due to the grace of God.  I told him I was crazy and did he want to live with a woman who everyone knew was a "religious fanatic" and a nutcase?  He agreed and filed for divorce  

Thankfully our two daughters are married.  Unfortunately he is now using the same tactics against them.  I sit back and watch and listen and have seen them look at me in a new light with understanding.  So there is good in everything

My divorce cost me everything.  I lost every single friend I had.  I lost family members and even my own mother rejected me because it was "my fault".  She is also one of these psycho-pathic individuals who takes joy in controlling others and to the outside world - the church in particular - is a saint who's evil daughter refuses contact with her any more.

Back to the discussion.  

I totally understand everything in this scenario.  The point that cris is making is that the church has failed, abominably.  It takes the word of a smooth talker and manuipulator who knows how to play the part and talk the talk over the one who has been hurt and wounded.  Been there.  The church, not taking responsibility for the whole mess, is causing this family to turn to the world for help.

The world's system is only going to work in a very limited capacity.   It puts a way too small bandage on the cut which can never be healed.  

I don't have a solution other than trusting in God.  Only He can make a way when there seems to be no way.  We live in a cursed world that is overrun by evil and manipulation.  Only He can intercede. He will use the world to help, because the church has failed, but it is not His way at all.

shalom, nana

[cris]

MaklyEL,

You seem to be stronger than the person I spoke of.  I'm not saying it's easier because one might be stronger.  Don't misunderstand, please.  She has no means of support for herself and adult child and is really scared.  She has no family and is a senior citizen now.  Mother and father are both deceased and never did approve of the marriage in the first place.  The mother didn't think he was good enough for her.  Well, mothers ARE intuitive, and I think her mother might have been on to something a long time ago.  It's water over the dam now.

Her husband will do everything in his power to destroy her.  She tried once to file for a separation and he made it so difficult she couldn't function.  She took him back.  It was either that, or she was ready for the grave.  This situation, and others like it are purely evil.  It's the enemy trying to destroy.  People tend to underestimate the power of the adversary.  God is the victor.  We know that, but the war claims many victims.  Enough said.  Thanks for your comment.   I appreciate it.

Grace and peace,
cris

[Reba]

Supposition?

Supposition!  What?  You don't like stories, real life or fictional?  Some real life stories sound fictional, and some fictional ones sound real!

I just dont believe the story is supposed.

[MalkyEL]

Oh, cris . . .

Please understand, that I know how grievous this is.  I have met and talked with many women who are in this position.  They have no where to turn.  It causes me such pain when I talk to them.  I try to help them, but you are so right - the enemy has done such a good job of keeping them in this kind of bondage.  The years of verbal abuse are nothing short of brainwashing and there is little self esteem and strength to make a go of it.  The husband is just too controlling and knows exactly how to manipulate the situation to his liking.

Ok, this is making me angry.  I am going to pm with you.  It's time to get serious and help this woman.

shalom, nana