Advanced Search
Recent Posts
Site Statistics
Who's Online
Forum Rules
Bible Resources
• Bible Study Aids
• Bible Devotionals
• Audio Sermons
• ChristiansUnite Blogs
• Christian Forums
• Facebook Apps
Web Search
• Christian Family Sites
• Top Christian Sites
• Christian RSS Feeds
Family Life
• Christian Finance
• ChristiansUnite KIDS
• Christian Magazines
• Christian Book Store
• Christian News
• Christian Columns
• Christian Song Lyrics
• Christian Mailing Lists
• Christian Singles
• Christian Classifieds
• Free Christian Clipart
• Christian Wallpaper
Fun Stuff
• Clean Christian Jokes
• Bible Trivia Quiz
• Online Video Games
• Bible Crosswords
• Christian Guestbooks
• Banner Exchange
• Dynamic Content

Subscribe to our Free Newsletter.
Enter your email address:

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
March 27, 2017, 08:24:30 PM

Login with username, password and session length
Search:     Advanced search
Jesus Christ loves you.
276551 Posts in 26178 Topics by 3790 Members
Latest Member: Goodwin
* Home Help Search Login Register
+  ChristiansUnite Forums
|-+  Theology
| |-+  Bible Study (Moderator: admin)
| | |-+  In The Begining...
« previous next »
Pages: 1 [2] Go Down Print
Author Topic: In The Begining...  (Read 39756 times)
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2005, 11:01:39 AM »

 Before I get into dinosaurs in the Bible and the flood, I'd like to post the following...


I want you to consider the term “missing link” - think about it - make a mental picture in your mind of a great chain - at one end of the chain, visualize a so called “simple” single celled organism, which represents the evolutionists first life form - at the other end is a fully developed human being. Evolutionists teach that the closest animal down the ladder from man probably is the ape, the gorilla, or some similar, if yet unidentified, animal. Their theories on what animal this is change from time to time. Whichever animal they think would be closest to the human being - they are trying to find a "missing link" from it to man.

If evolution were true, then why are the evolutionists searching for “a” missing link? There should be literally many thousands of other links in the chain to select from - There would be literally millions and millions of skeleton “in betweens” of all the various stages from ape to man - where are these millions of skeletons? - The reality is that, there is no “missing link” because the entire chain is missing!

Charles Darwin - the father of evolution, finally realised, that although there is mutation within the species, there are no transmutations - no changes from one species into an other, Darwin wrote in his book, My Life and Letters, Volume One, Page 210, "Not one change of species into another is on record. We cannot prove that a single species has been changed (into another)."


Evolutionists will tell you that our universe was created as a by-product of the “Big Bang” They have a major problem, however, in explaining where the matter came from which preceded this theoretical “Big Bang”. Who or what is responsible for the first piece of matter? Regardless of their particular theory of how the world was formed, they cannot deny it has been formed, and they cannot tell where the first matter came from, which was used in making the world.

God told us, long before the scientific world recognized it, that matter was created out of energy
In Jeremiah 10:12 God tells us what He used to create the earth. He used His power (in the Hebrew, His "energy").

Albert Einstein formulated the Relativity Equation, E=MC2, which is exactly what God said in the Bible 2,600 years ago.
Simply put, his formula states that matter and energy are equivalent. One can obtain energy (E) equal to the quantity of matter (M) multiplied by the square of the speed of light (C) (186,000 miles per second). .

Evolutionists would like to make those who believe the Bible feel ignorant for believing so in this “age of knowledge“. But anyone who thinks the Bible disagrees with science either doesn't know the Bible very well or isn't speaking of real science.
God says of the men in this age of knowledge who deny His Word, that they are "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth" (2 Tim. 3:7).
Since they will not accept God's explanation of the origin of the earth, they must try to find some sort of reasonable explanation on their own. Sorry, but evolution isn't it. It isn't reasonable, and it isn't even possible.


In the book, “Evolution and Human Destiny“, by Kohler - Kohler states - "One of the most fundamental maxims of the physical sciences is the trend toward greater randomness -  the fact that, on the average, things will get into disorder rather than into order, if left to themselves. This is essentially the statement that is embodied in the Second Law of Thermodynamics." This scientific law actually refutes and contradicts the theory of evolution in its entirety. The whole universe is not getting better and more specialized; it is running down; it is wearing out.


Many evolutionists teach that the following, in order, evolved upward from the beginning: atom, molecule, protein molecule, virus, bacteria, algae, protozoa, metazoa, man. This cannot be true. The protein molecule couldn't develop from just atoms and molecules, unless protein, were already present. Scientists have been trying to create protein from various chemicals and compounds and have been unsuccessful. Only God can create protein.
The virus could not exist before higher life had been created because the virus requires a "host cell" to live off of. A virus cannot live off of just atoms, molecules, and protein molecules. So, in actuality this "ladder of creation," created by the evolutionists to prove their theory, actually disproves the theory of evolution.


When your dog is going to have a litter, has it ever had a litter of monkeys instead of a litter of puppies?  Of course not! The fact that she will have puppies was determined when her chromosomes joined with her mate's chromosomes at conception.
 A dog has only 22 chromosomes, whereas a monkey has 54. Half the total number of chromosomes are contained in the female reproductive cells and half are contained in the male. So the exact total number are brought together in the offspring.
Man has 46 chromosomes. This chromosome count is a steady factor that never changes. This determines what is called the "fixity of species" because the chromosome count doesn't vary. People always give birth to people. Dogs always give birth to dogs, etc.
It is the genes that produce variety within the species. Genes allow for people to be short, tall, fat, thin, blond, brunette, etc., but still all people.
The chromosomes make crossing of the species an impossibility. This not only contradicts evolution - it stops it dead in its tracks!


A standard "demonstration" of evolutionists has been the horse, the "EOHIPPUS." They give a long list for the supposed evolution of the horse, as follows:
Genus Eqqus
What the evolutionists do not tell you is that fossils of the little Eohippus rodent and fossils of the Equus Nevadensis and Equus Occidentalis (fully developed horses as we know them today) are contemporary. They are found in the same "geological age" strata. The “evolution” of the horse is either propagated by bald face liars, or incomprehensibly stupid “intellectual” evolutionary scientists.


The record in the rocks and the record in the Bible agree perfectly. The Bible says, God created all life fully formed. When life is found, all forms of life are found. When a family appears, it is completely and fully developed. No fossils of "in-betweens" are ever found. There aren't any.


God has so arranged His creation that there is a delicate balance in nature which serves to maintain everything in its proper relationship, and without which the earth would be complete chaos.
For instance, animals take in oxygen and give off carbon dioxide. Plants take in carbon dioxide and give off oxygen. Plants could not live without animals, and neither could animals live without plants. But evolutionists teach plants evolved LONG before animals came upon the scene. This is impossible.
Another balance is that plants give off alkali and animals give off acid. Without plants the world would be too acid. They need each other to maintain conditions suitable for one another.

« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2005, 05:49:41 AM »

Dinosaurs and the Bible

Did man and dinosaurs co-exist?

OK, let’s tackle this enigma. It’s not really all that difficult for Christians to figure out. God created the heavens and the earth, including all life forms about six thousand years ago. Some Christians make the crucial mistake of blindly accepting a mixture of evolution and creation. I have already gone into some detail on the many problems associated with this kind of compromise. Look folks, we either believe in God or we don’t. How can we take the Bible seriously and trust it if we relegate any of it to myth?

I have attempted to show that scientific assertions in regards to evolution of the cosmos and life are not factual. We have been duped into believing that the same science which puts men and machines into space, and on the face of mars, is the same science which says evolution is factual. It is not! We find it very convincing when we see a silver haired, scientifically intellectual man or woman, with straight face and spectacles riding the tip of their noses, confidently and smugly articulating the “facts” of evolution. After all, these good people have spent many years in some of the most prestigious educational institutions in the world. These people have access to the finest equipment and technology on the planet, and they know the answers…right?- wrong!

Think about this fact. Darwin didn’t discover that evolution actually occurred through an exhaustive, careful examination of the planet and fossils - he didn’t find a huge chain of transitional fossils which was near complete, and only missing a few links. He came to his conclusion without any such scientific query. He actually pronounced evolution, then set out to prove it! There was, and still is no chain to be found at all.

How would you feel if you went to your doctor with a sore throat, and your doctor told you that you had throat cancer and immediately shipped you off to surgery? No blood test, no cat scan - just an opinion! Then, how horrified would you be when you discovered that the surgeons all took his word for it, because he is a doctor?

 I know it seems almost impossible to fathom, but there literally is no actual scientifically corroborated evidence for evolution…NONE! Darwin observed similarities between animals and took a quantum leap into a universe which was formed through a mathematically impossible set of random, fluke accidents!

It begins with the theoretical “Big Bang” - all matter including the space which hold every galaxy and all other known and unknown matter (including tons of theoretical matter) and eventually all life, is the happy result of a massive “Big Bang”  The fact that these evolutionary scientists can not explain what was in existence prior to this theoretical “Big Bang” or how life formed from non life doesn’t seem to bother them in the least!

I have listened to and watched these smug scientists mock creationists and Christians for years. Recently, I had an occasion to view some old video of evolution scientists gloating about the then recent carbon dating results of the shroud of Turin. Several of these good folks made rather egotistical and degrading comments about “these tests are irrefutable and accurate” that “the shroud was only a few hundred years old, and a fraud” but “there will no doubt always be some who desperately and foolishly want the shroud to be from the first century, and will refute our rock solid, air tight scientific findings”
 I watched with a sense of satisfaction and a realization that these “experts” with their white hair and rimless glasses perched at the tip of their noses, making their grandiose “irrefutable” pronouncements in the same self assured tone that their colleagues use to promote cosmological and biological evolution - were dead wrong! The carbon dates were wrong! Experts in the field of ancient linen, had stated that the type of cloth and the stitching used were from the first century - experts in plants and pollen discovered many trace elements of plant and pollen matter all of which were found in Jerusalem, and several of the samples were exclusive to that region. Historians placed the shroud well back from the carbon dating, and still the scientists refused to even acknowledge the possibility that their dates were wrong.

The latest carbon date for the shroud places it smack dab in the time of Jesus!

I’m not submitting that the shroud is actually that of Jesus, although I tend to believe it is very possible - my intention in mentioning the shroud is to show the attitude of the evolutionary scientific community, and the utter contempt with which they attempt to discredit any Biblical reality in relation to creation and all things Christian.

The reason I have gone into this area is to prepare the reader for a Biblical based account of the dinosaur - to show that our faith in God and His Word is well placed in spite of what the enemy is telling us.

Biblical Logic

If one accepts the plain testimony of the Bible, with no compulsion to harmonize scripture with evolutionary assertions, there is no doubt but that dinosaurs and humans were contemporary, as the following considerations indicate.
All of the basic “kinds” of living creatures were brought into existence in the same initial creation week. Moses wrote: “. . . in six days God made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is . . .” (Ex. 20:11). This would include the dinosaurs (“terrible lizards”), and man as well. Jesus affirmed that mankind has existed “from the beginning of the creation” (Mk. 10:6); this certainly excludes the notion that dinosaurs became extinct millions of years before man appeared upon the planet. Humanity was given dominion over all the lower creatures of the earth (Gen. 1:26). There is no reason to exclude dinosaurs from the scope of this passage.

Dinosaurs In The Bible


There is  reference to dinosaurs in the book of Job.

Job, due to his great suffering, criticized the working of God in his life. Accordingly, the Lord, in a devastating examination of the patriarch, illustrated His own power and wisdom (and, by contrast, Job’s pathetic ignorance) with a series of examples from nature Job 38-41. In this connection, reference is made in chapter 40 to a creature known as “behemoth”

Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.

Job 40:16 Lo now, his strength [is] in his loins, and his force [is] in the navel of his belly.

Job 40:17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

Job 40:18 His bones [are as] strong pieces of brass; his bones [are] like bars of iron.

Job 40:19 He [is] the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach [unto him].

Job 40:20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.

Job 40:21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.

Job 40:22 The shady trees cover him [with] their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.

Job 40:23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, [and] hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.

Job 40:24 He taketh it with his eyes: [his] nose pierceth through snares.

For lack of a better theory, most scholars have identified this animal with the hippopotamus. A careful analysis of the context, however, will reveal that the hippopotamus does not fit the description of behemoth as given by the Lord. Consider the following factors. It is believed by some scholars that behemoth is related to an Egyptian term, peheme, roughly rendered “ox of the water.” That this did not denote a hippopotamus is evidenced by the fact that the Egyptians had other words for that creature. In Job’s narrative behemoth is described as a grass-eater that is very strong, with great muscles (15-16). He moves his tail like a cedar tree (17). It is hard to see how his tail can be compared to a cedar, the tail of the hippopotamus is small and short Behemoth’s skeleton is like a massive framework of brass and iron (18). He is “chief” (first in size, might) of the works (creatures) of God; so huge, in fact, that only his Maker dare approach him with the sword (19).
Though the hippo weighs about four tons, some dinosaurs weighed thirty tons! Behemoth
is so powerful that no man is able to capture him (24). This descriptive can hardly apply to the hippopotamus for Egyptian monuments frequently picture warriors attacking the hippo single-handed. The vegetation of whole mountains is said to supply this behemoth’s food, yet the hippopotamus eats only about 200 pounds of herbage daily, and he stays near the water.
One is almost forced to conclude that no creature on earth today fits the detailed description of behemoth in Job 40.

 To Continue...
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2005, 05:50:24 AM »


 Job 41:1 Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord [which] thou lettest down?  

 Job 41:2 Canst thou put an hook into his nose? or bore his jaw through with a thorn?  

 Job 41:3 Will he make many supplications unto thee? will he speak soft [words] unto thee?  

 Job 41:4 Will he make a covenant with thee? wilt thou take him for a servant for ever?  

 Job 41:5 Wilt thou play with him as [with] a bird? or wilt thou bind him for thy maidens?  

 Job 41:6 Shall the companions make a banquet of him? shall they part him among the merchants?  

 Job 41:7 Canst thou fill his skin with barbed irons? or his head with fish spears?  

 Job 41:8 Lay thine hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more.  

 Job 41:9 Behold, the hope of him is in vain: shall not [one] be cast down even at the sight of him?  

 Job 41:10 None [is so] fierce that dare stir him up: who then is able to stand before me?  

 Job 41:11 Who hath prevented me, that I should repay [him? whatsoever is] under the whole heaven is mine.  

 Job 41:12 I will not conceal his parts, nor his power, nor his comely proportion.  

 Job 41:13 Who can discover the face of his garment? [or] who can come [to him] with his double bridle?  

 Job 41:14 Who can open the doors of his face? his teeth [are] terrible round about.  

 Job 41:15 [His] scales [are his] pride, shut up together [as with] a close seal.  

 Job 41:16 One is so near to another, that no air can come between them.  

 Job 41:17 They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered.  

 Job 41:18 By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes [are] like the eyelids of the morning.  

 Job 41:19 Out of his mouth go burning lamps, [and] sparks of fire leap out.  

 Job 41:20 Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as [out] of a seething pot or caldron.  

 Job 41:21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.  

 Job 41:22 In his neck remaineth strength, and sorrow is turned into joy before him.  

 Job 41:23 The flakes of his flesh are joined together: they are firm in themselves; they cannot be moved.  

 Job 41:24 His heart is as firm as a stone; yea, as hard as a piece of the nether [millstone].  

 Job 41:25 When he raiseth up himself, the mighty are afraid: by reason of breakings they purify themselves.  

 Job 41:26 The sword of him that layeth at him cannot hold: the spear, the dart, nor the habergeon.  

 Job 41:27 He esteemeth iron as straw, [and] brass as rotten wood.  

 Job 41:28 The arrow cannot make him flee: slingstones are turned with him into stubble.  

 Job 41:29 Darts are counted as stubble: he laugheth at the shaking of a spear.  

 Job 41:30 Sharp stones [are] under him: he spreadeth sharp pointed things upon the mire.  

 Job 41:31 He maketh the deep to boil like a pot: he maketh the sea like a pot of ointment.  

 Job 41:32 He maketh a path to shine after him; [one] would think the deep [to be] hoary.  

 Job 41:33 Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear.  

 Job 41:34 He beholdeth all high [things]: he [is] a king over all the children of pride.  

Modern Evidence

There is a growing body of evidence that dinosaurs and humans were contemporary. In 1970 newspapers reported the discovery of cave paintings in Zimbabwe. The paintings were made by bushmen who ruled that area from about 1500 B.C., until a couple of hundred years ago. Along with accurate representations of the elephant and the giraffe, is a painting of an Apatosaurus (brontosaurus). These art works have greatly puzzled scientists since bushmen are known to have painted from real life!

About seventy years ago, Dr. Samuel Hubbard, curator of archaeology in the Oakland (California) Museum, discovered dinosaur carvings on the cliff walls of the Hava Supai Canyon in Arizona. One remarkable carving resembles a Tyrannosaurus. Nearby, dinosaur tracks were preserved in the rock surface.

Paluxy Tracks

When the discovery of what appeared to be human footprints, along with dinosaur tracks in the Paluxy River bed near Glen Rose, Texas, was reported in the May 1939 issue of Natural History, it created a furor that has not subsided to this very day. For decades it seemed obvious to careful observers that this was clear evidence of human/dinosaur co-habitation.
Then, a few years ago, Glen Kuban, a computer programmer from Cleveland, Ohio, discovered chemical discolorations at the front of some of the human-like prints. This led him and others to suggest that the human-like tracks were not human at all; rather, they were simply portions of the dinosaur tracks that had been altered by mud-fill.
Those who were disposed to believe in the theory of evolution alleged that this destroyed the Paluxy evidence once and for all. Some creationists, adopted a wait-and-see policy until further research is forthcoming. Others were not so easily swayed. Two authors, Robert F. Helfinstine and Jerry D. Roth, recently produced a study which strongly argues for the validity of contemporary human/dinosaur tracks (Helfinstine & Roth, Texas Tracks And Artifacts, 1994, Privately Published).
It has even been speculated that someone may have “doctored” some of the dinosaur/human prints to eradicate the impression of “humanness.” Evolutionists, of course, desperately want to discredit the tracks as human, for as some of them have conceded: “Such an occurrence ( human and dinosaur tracks in the same stratum), if verified, would seriously disrupt conventional interpretations of biological and geological history and would support the doctrines of creationism and catastrophism” Needless to say, this controversy is far from over.
Those who accept the testimony of the Bible are confident that men and dinosaurs did occupy the ancient earth at the same time. We are not dependent upon modern discoveries to confirm that for us. However, when clear evidence does come to light, we should not hesitate to accept it.

Next I will discuss the Flood.
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2005, 03:19:44 PM »

The Flood

 The Bible describes vast worldwide destruction that eliminated all land life on the earth. Here are a few examples from Scripture that describe the degree of destruction that resulted from the Flood.

Gen.6: 13, 17   13 And God said to Noah, "The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth. 17"And behold, I Myself am bringing floodwaters on the earth, to destroy from under heaven all flesh in which is the breath of life; everything that is on the earth shall die.

Gen. 7:11 - 12   11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.

Gen. 7:18 - 23   17 For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. 19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet. 21

Gen. 7:23 – 24   23 So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive. 24 And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days.

Evolutionists disregard the biblical account of a global flood, as a result of this unbelief, and to quote author Walt Brown – “major errors or misunderstandings have entered into science and society. One of the first major misunderstandings would be the explanation for fossils. Typically, Fossil A lies below Fossil B, which lies below Fossil C, etc. If flood explanations were weak, such as the explanation that there were “regional floods” or disallowed entirely, then evolution would provide an answer: Organism A turned into B which later turned into C. Fossil layers would represent vast amounts of time, instead of conclusive evidence of a global catastrophic flood. Other geologic features could then be easily fit into that time frame. With so much time available, possible explanations multiply—explanations not easily tested in less than a million years. A century after Darwin, evolutionary explanations would be given for the universe, chemical elements, heavenly bodies, earth, and life.”

What we see is all manner of life trapped in time via the process of fossilization.
It used to be thought that fossilization was a very long, drawn out process which took thousands of years to complete. However, we now know that is not the case. Fossilization is a very quick process which takes place when a life form is quickly buried under sedimentary layers. The only realistic scenario for such an occurrence is a flood.

God says every living thing that moved on the earth perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark. The fossil record actually verifies such an event through the multi millions of fossils, which have been, and continue to be uncovered throughout the entire planet. It is interesting to note that not single examples of a series of graduated transitional fossils have ever been found. That fact on it’s own is the death knoll of evolution.

From the flood description in Genesis, we are told of a worldwide flood that destroyed all land life upon the earth. Genesis doesn't describe a local flood at all. Is there any evidence of a great catastrophe that could have destroyed all life on the earth?

For starters, I think we can safely say that there was more than just a heavy rainfall.
God verifies this.

Gen. 7:11 - 12   11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.

God tells us that not only were “floodgates” opened in Heaven, but “all the springs of the great deep burst forth.”

How many of us were horrified to see the massive devastation and horrible death toll, which resulted from the Dec 2004 tsunami in the Indian Ocean? Imagine that on a global scale.

to continue...
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2005, 03:20:19 PM »

Also, have a quick look at the following map of the known asteroid impact sites around the world.

What effect would such a barrage have on the earth? The bombardment of large asteroids or comets upon the earth, particularly into the ocean, could unleash unimaginable amounts of rain, and hail falling upon the earth steadily for periods described in the Bible. Although it may take more than one impact to produce the worldwide flood conditions described in the scriptures, asteroid or comet impacts could most certainly cause the flood conditions given in the Bible. The energy released from these impacts would result in severe geological reactions including volcanism, rapid tectonic plate movements (continental drift), and magnetic field reversals. Resulting tsunamis could indeed cover the tops of mountains from displaced water.

Seven-tenths of a second after the impact of a 10-km diameter comet into the ocean, its explosive power would be the equivalent to 300 gigatons of TNT (far exceeding the explosive power of all the nuclear weapons in existence during the Cold War). The comet itself would be almost instantaneously vaporized, along with 300 - 500 cubic kilometers of water. As a result of the explosion, high-pressure steam would rise into the atmosphere and would return to earth with unimaginable weather conditions. A rainstorm would be a poor description of the results. The use of the term "flood gates of the heavens" as given in Genesis becomes a very good description.

The impact of a 10-km diameter asteroid on land would cause a catastrophe beyond our ability to envision. Global earthquakes with ground waves 10 m high would result. The earth's core would be disrupted, possibly producing magnetic reversals. Plate movement would be accelerated, opening cracks 10-100-km wide in the earth's crust, and causing rapid mountain building and worldwide volcanism. The impact of a number of asteroids over a short period would have even far greater destructive results. Such catastrophes would indeed bring about the destruction that the Bible proclaims.

God’s time-line tells us that the flood occurred about 4,000 years ago. It has frequently been asked; "How would a world wide catastrophe effect our measurements of atomic time scales"? Due to the non-linear effects of such catastrophes, chronological measurements derived from atomic dating would be greatly altered.

The following articles provide excellent background information on this atomic time scales subject.


Text in italics has been paraphrased, edited and quoted from Walt Brown’s book “In The Beginning

A worldwide catastrophic flood would obviously have vast and unique consequences – for example - coal, oil, and methane did not form over hundreds of millions of years; they formed in months. Fossils and layered strata did not form over a billion years; they formed in months. The Grand Canyon did not form in millions of years; it formed in weeks. Earth’s major mountains did not form over hundreds of millions of years; each formed in hours.

New evidence shows that the earth has experienced a devastating, worldwide flood, whose waters violently burst forth from under the earth’s crust. Scientists can now explain, using well-understood phenomena, how this cataclysmic event rapidly formed so many features. These and other mysteries, listed below, are best explained by an earthshaking event, far more catastrophic than almost anyone has imagined. Each of these features (below) appears to be a consequence of a sudden and unrepeatable event - a global flood whose waters erupted from interconnected, worldwide subterranean chambers with an energy release exceeding the explosion of 10 billion hydrogen bombs. This is known as the “Hydroplate Theory”

·   The Grand Canyon and Other Canyons
·   Mid-Oceanic Ridge
·   Continental Shelves and Slopes
·   Ocean Trenches
·   Earthquakes
·   Magnetic Variations on the Ocean Floor
·   Submarine Canyons
·   Coal and Oil Formations
·   Methane Hydrates
·   Ice Age
·   Frozen Mammoths
·   Major Mountain Ranges
·   Overthrusts
·   Volcanoes and Lava
·   Geothermal Heat
·   Strata and Layered Fossils
·   Limestone
·   Metamorphic Rock
·   Plateaus
·   Salt Domes
·   Jigsaw Fit of the Continents
·   Changing Axis Tilt
·   Comets
·   Asteroids and Meteoroids

What is a hydroplate? Before the global flood, considerable water was under earth’s crust. Pressure increases in this subterranean water ruptured that crust, breaking it into plates. The escaping water flooded the earth. Because hydro means water, those plates are called hydroplates. Where they broke, how they moved, and hundreds of other details and evidence - all consistent with the laws of physics - constitute the hydroplate theory.

It is utterly impossible for me to go into any detail for each of the flood caused features in the list above. It would take months to describe the precise geological conditions which formed them. I will state that there mere existence, and the corroborating Word of God is solid evidence for a global flood – either that, or another example of an amazing series of coincidences. If you are interested in retrieving the scientific data in relation to this Hydroplate Theory, you can visit author Walt Brown’s web site, where his book “In The Beginning” can be read online. There, you will find highly detailed analysis of the theory, as well as much, much more on creation and the flood.


OK, let’s review – The evidence for evolution has caved in, it never happened.
So how do we account for the millions of fossils throughout the planet?
How do we account for the many layers on earth?

Well, if it wasn’t an evolutionary process, and we now know without any doubt that the process of fossilization occurs over a period of months, and not millions, thousands, hundreds, or even tens of years – but months – We have a very compelling argument for a massive, catastrophic, worldwide flood event – which happens to be exactly what God says happened.

God’s Word is trustworthy and credible.
His Word is constantly being validated through history, archaeology and even science.

When is the world in general going to believe every single thing He says?
Why do even some Christians doubt some details of His Holy Word?

Come on people, forget the non believers who have been proven in error and caught in outright deceit time and time again, and start listening to God exclusively!

« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2006, 02:37:06 AM »

Hello my friends.

It's been quite some time since I last posted on this topic, and I wanted you to know that I am currently working on my next installment.

Thank you for all your prayers, my health does seem to be improving as of late! Cheesy
Thank you for your patience my friends, I am really excited to be back onto this subject!

Global Moderator
Gold Member
Offline Offline

Posts: 58331

One Nation Under God

View Profile
« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2006, 05:26:00 AM »

That's great news brother. I am anxious to see what you have for here.


Joh 9:4  I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2006, 05:07:31 PM »

That's great news brother. I am anxious to see what you have for here.

Thanks Pastor Roger.

I was contemplating discussing patters as opposed to design and DNA, but as I began to put my thoughts down to MS Word, it became painfully obvious that it would be a very long and complicated topic.
I tried to simplify it, but that only led to a convoluted, watered down subject that could do no justice to the topic, so I'm getting started on the subject of Intelligent Design.

« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2006, 12:21:27 AM »

Hello my friends. The following is a summery of a series of lectures given at various universities by author and lecturer Perry Marshall.

Where did the Universe come from?  

 Part 1: Einstein's Big Blunder
 100 years ago this year, Albert Einstein published
three papers that rocked the world.  These papers
proved the existence of the atom, introduced the
theory of relativity, and described quantum

 Pretty good debut for a 26 year old scientist, huh?

 His equations for relativity indicated that the universe
was expanding.  This bothered him, because if it was
expanding, it must have had a beginning and a beginner.
Since neither of these appealed to him, Einstein introduced
a 'fudge factor' that ensured a 'steady state' universe,
one that had no beginning or end.

 But in 1929, Edwin Hubble showed that the furthest
galaxies were fleeing away from each other, just as the
Big Bang model predicted.  So in 1931, Einstein embraced
what would later be known as the Big Bang theory, saying,
"This is the most beautiful and satisfactory explanation
of creation to which I have ever listened."  He referred
to the 'fudge factor' to achieve a steady-state universe
as the biggest blunder of his career.

 As I'll explain, Einstein's theories have been thoroughly proved and
verified by experiments and measurements.  But there's
an even more important implication of Einstein's discovery.
Not only does the universe have a beginning, but time
itself, our own dimension of cause and effect, began
with the Big Bang. Now, I do not prescribe 100% to the Big Bang theory, but that's another topic altogether. The point I'm making here is that there was definately a begining, we'll call it the "Big Bang" for convenience sake.

 OK, So -- time itself does not exist before
then.  The very line of time begins with that creation
event.  Matter, energy, time and space were created
in an instant by an intelligence outside of space
and time.

 About this intelligence, Albert Einstein wrote
in his book "The World As I See It" that the harmony
of natural law "Reveals an intelligence of such
superiority that, compared with it, all the
systematic thinking and acting of human beings is
an utterly insignificant reflection."

 Pretty significant statement, wouldn't you say?

 The Big Bang theory was totally rejected at first.
But those who supported it had predicted that the ignition
of the Big Bang would have left behind a sort of
'hot flash' of radiation.

 If a big black wood stove produces heat that you
can feel, then in a similar manner, the Big Bang should
produce its own kind of heat that would echo throughout
the universe.

  In 1965, without looking for it, two physicists at
Bell Labs in New Jersey found it.  At first, Arno Penzias
and Robert Wilson were bothered because, while
trying to refine the world's most sensitive radio antenna,
they couldn't eliminate a bothersome source of noise.
They picked up this noise everywhere they pointed the

  At first they thought it was bird droppings.  The
antenna was so sensitive it could pick up the heat
of bird droppings (which certainly are warm when
they're brand new) but even after cleaning it off,
they still picked up this noise.

 This noise had actually been predicted in detail
by other astronomers, and after a year of checking
and re-checking the data, they arrived at a conclusion:
This crazy Big Bang theory really was correct.

 In an interview, Penzias was asked why there was so much
resistance to the Big Bang theory.

 He said, "Most physicists would rather attempt to
describe the universe in ways which require no explanation.
And since science can't explain anything - it can only
describe things - that's perfectly sensible.  If you
have a universe which has always been there, you don't
explain it, right?"

 Somebody asks you, 'How come all the secretaries
in your company are women?' You can say, 'Well, it's
always been that way.'  That's a way of not having
to explain it.  So in the same way, theories which
don't require explanation tend to be the ones
accepted by science, which is perfectly acceptable
and the best way to make science work."

 But on the older theory that the universe was eternal,
he explains: "It turned out to be so ugly that people
dismissed it.  What we find - the simplest theory - is
a creation out of nothing, the appearance out of nothing
of the universe."

 Penzias and his partner, Robert Wilson, won the Nobel
Prize for their discovery of this radiation.  The Big
Bang theory is now one of the most thoroughly
validated theories in all of science.

 Robert Wilson was asked by journalist Fred Heeren if
the Big Bang indicated a creator.

 Wilson said, "Certainly there was something that
set it all off.  Certainly, if you are religious, I can't
think of a better theory of the origin of the universe
to match with Genesis."

 In your kitchen cabinet, you've probably got a spray
bottle with an adjustable nozzle.  If you twist the nozzle
one way, it sprays a fine mist into the air.  You twist
the nozzle the other way, it squirts a jet of water
in a straight line.  You turn that nozzle to the exact
position you want so you can wash a mirror, clean up
a spill, or whatever.

 If the universe had expanded a little faster, the
matter would have sprayed out into space like fine
mist from a water bottle - so fast that a gazillion
particles of dust would speed into infinity and never even
form a single star.

 If the universe had expanded just a little slower, the
material would have dribbled out like big drops of water,
then collapsed back where it came from by the force
of gravity.

 A little too fast, and you get a meaningless
spray of fine dust.  A little too slow, and the whole
universe collapses back into one big black hole.

To Continue On Next Post...
« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2006, 12:30:13 AM »

The surprising thing is just how narrow the difference
is.To strike the perfect balance between too fast and
too slow, the force, something that physicists call
"the Dark Energy Term" had to be accurate to one part in
ten with 120 zeros. 

 If you wrote this as a decimal, the number would
look like this:


 In their paper "Disturbing Implications of
 a Cosmological Constant" two atheist scientists
from Stanford University stated that the existence of
this dark energy term "Would have required a miracle...
An external agent, external to space and time, intervened
in cosmic history for reasons of its own."

 Just for comparison, the best human engineering
example is the Gravity Wave Telescope, which was built with
a precision of 23 zeros.The Designer, the 'external
agent' that caused our universe must possess an intellect,
knowledge, creativity and power trillions and trillions
of times greater than we humans have.
Absolutely amazing.

 Now a person who doesn't believe in God has to find
some way to explain this.  One of the more common explanations
seems to be "There was an infinite number of universes, so it
was inevitable that things would have turned out right
in at least one of them." Cheesy

 The "infinite universes" theory is truly an amazing theory. 
Just think about it, if there is an infinite number of
universes, then absolutely everything is not only possible...
It's actually happened! 

 It means that somewhere, in some dimension, there is
a universe where the Toronto Blue Jays won the World Series last
year! Cheesy  There's a universe where Jimmy Hoffa doesn't get
cement shoes; instead he marries Joan Rivers and becomes
President of the United States.There's even a
universe where Elvis kicks his drug habit and still
resides at Graceland and sings at concerts. There's a universe where I outgun Clint Eastwood in 'For A Few Dollars More'! Imagine the possiblities! 

 I might sound like I'm joking, but actually I'm dead
serious. To believe an infinite number of universes
made life possible by random chance is to believe everything
else I just said, too. 

 Some people believe in God with a capital G.
And some folks believe in Chance with a Capital C.

If you can read this sentence, I can prove to you that God exists

 See this post that you're reading right now?  This post is proof of the existence of God.

 Yeah, I know, that sounds crazy.  But I'm not asking you
to believe anything just yet, until you see the evidence for
yourself.  All I ask is that you refrain from disbelieving
while I show you my proof.  It only takes a minute to convey,
but it speaks to one of the most important questions of all

 So how is this post proof of the existence of God?:

 This post you're reading contains letters, words and
sentences.  It contains a message that means something.
As long as you can read English, you can understand what
I'm saying.

 You can do all kinds of things with this post. You
can read it on your computer screen.  You can print it out on
your printer. You can read it out loud to a friend who's in
the same room as you are. You can call your friend and read it
to her over the telephone. You can save it as a Microsoft
WORD document. You can forward it to someone via email, or you
can post it on a website.

 Regardless of how you copy it or where you send it,
the information remains the same.  This post contains a message.
It contains information in the form of language. The message
is independent of the medium it is sent in.

 Messages are not matter, even though they can be carried
by matter (like printing this post on a piece of paper).

 Messages are not energy even though they can be carried
by energy (like the sound of my voice.)

 Messages are immaterial. Information is itself a very
unique kind of entity.  It can be stored and transmitted and
copied in many forms, but the meaning still stays the same.

 Messages can be in English, French or Chinese.
Or Morse Code. Or mating calls of birds. Or the Internet. 
Or radio or television. Or computer programs or architect
blueprints or stone carvings. Every cell in your body
contains a message encoded in DNA, representing a complete
plan for you.

 OK, so what does this have to do with God?

 It's very simple. Messages, languages, and coded
information ONLY come from a mind. A mind that
agrees on an alphabet and a meaning of words and
sentences. A mind that expresses both desire and

 Whether I use the simplest possible explanation,
such as the one I'm giving you here, or if we analyze
language with advanced mathematics and engineering
communication theory, I can say this with total

 Messages, languages and coded information never,
ever come from anything else besides a mind.
 No one has ever produced a single example of a message
that did not come from a mind.

 Nature can create fascinating patterns - snowflakes,
sand dunes, crystals, stalagmites and stalagtites. Tornados
and turbulence and cloud formations.

 But non-living things cannot create language. They
cannot create codes. Rocks cannot think and they
cannot talk. And they cannot create information.

 It is believed by some that life on planet earth arose
naturally from the "primordial soup," Roll Eyes  the early ocean which
produced enzymes and eventually RNA, DNA, and primitive cells.

 But there is still a problem with this theory (besides the fact that it has been thoroughly disproven) - It fails to
answer the question, 'Where did the information come from?'

 DNA is not merely a molecule. Nor is it simply a "pattern."
Yes, it contains chemicals and proteins, but those chemicals
are arranged to form an intricate language, in the exact same way
that English and Chinese and HTML are languages.
 DNA has a four-letter alphabet, and structures very similar
to words, sentences and paragraphs. With very precise

 To the person who says that life arose naturally,
you need only ask: "Where did the information come from?
Show me just ONE example of a language that didn't come
from a mind."

 As simple as this question is, I've personally presented it
to many people who say that life arose without the
assistance of God. But to a person, none of them have ever been
able to explain where the information came from. This riddle is
 so simple any child can understand, yet so complex,
no atheist can solve.

 Matter and energy have to come from somewhere.  Everyone
can agree on that.  But information has to come from somewhere,
too! Information is separate entity, fully on par with matter and
energy. And information can only come from a mind. If books
and poems and TV shows come from human intelligence, then all
living things inevitably came from a superintelligence.

 Every word you hear, every sentence you speak, every
dog that barks, every song you sing, every post you read,
every bit of information that zings across the Internet,
is proof of the existence of God. Because information
and language always originate in a mind.

 In the beginning were words and language.
 In the Beginning was Information.
"In the begining was the word"

Pages: 1 [2] Go Up Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  

More From ChristiansUnite...    About Us | Privacy Policy | | ChristiansUnite.com Site Map | Statement of Beliefs

Copyright © 1999-2016 ChristiansUnite.com. All rights reserved.
Please send your questions, comments, or bug reports to the

Powered by SMF 1.1 RC2 | SMF © 2001-2005, Lewis Media