Genesis 6

[M]

I have begun to read the Bible through again and stopped to ask some questions on Genesis chapter 6.

Genesis 6:4 mentions the Nephilim.  They are also mentioned in Numbers 13:33.  Who are they?

Gen 6:4 goes on to say "- when the sons of God went to ......".   Then it mentions the "daughters of men".  I don't understand who they are talking about.  Where the children of Adam and Eve the children of man?  Did God create others besides Adam and Eve and the Angels?

I don't know Hebrew.  I only have Strong's concordance that gives the Hebrew words singularly.  I think a Hebrew translation might be helpful.  

I find the first and last books of the Bible the most difficult to understand.  I tell new believers and seekers to read the Gospel of John first.  If they can get through John they have a good start of believing and becoming saved.  

[Sulfurdolphin]

Who are these giants and what did they do to reveal evil to mankind? What does the scriptures say about these fallen angels?

Here i will present in why i believe The Book of Enoch and Tanakh and Scriptures reveal these are the 1/3 of the angels that had fallen.

The New King James Genesis chapter 6 Now it came to pass when men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born to them that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were beautiful and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. And the Lord said My Spirit shall not strive with man forever for he is indeed flesh yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years. Theere were giants on the earth in those days and also afterward when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old men of reknown. Verse 11 The earth also was corrupt before God and the earth was filled with violence. So God looked upon the earth and indeed it was corrupt for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.

1. In Hebrew Nephilim giants are presented as Fallen or mighty ones.

2. Hebrew word for Strong or Mighty ones is ATSUMIM.

3.Tanakh reveals the Nephilim appeared on earth when "the divine beings cohabited" with the daughters of men who bore them offspring. They were the heroes of old the men of reknown.

4. The Torah also mentions the Niphilm are divine beings.

5. The Book Of Enoch reveals the Niphilim are called The Watchers.

6 Also i heard that the Niphilim are called TITANS? but not sure how accuratly that would be has anyone heard that before? or any Idea?

Matthew chapter 22:29-30 Jesus answered and said to them You are mistaken not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection (they meaning mankind) neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like angels of God in heaven.

Mankind will neither be marry nor given into marriage in heaven because scriptures point out that We Believers will be married Spiritually to Christ since We are His Bride. When Matthew says we will be like angels does that mean will we be in glory as the angels are? or does Matthew mean that we will all take different Ministry or Ministering roles as the angels or similiar? I believe that it could possibly be both in my opinion. Also no where does this point that angels do not marry there is no scriptural evidence that mentions that angels cannot marry the opposite is true that angels have married such in Genesis 6.

I realize that not everyone may agree with my position on this entire subject but the scriptures are not clear that either angels before or after the fall could not marry such as the case of Genesis chapter 6 is what im reffering to. Not like a husband and wife would marry. the Nephilim and or The Watchers came took the earthly kings daughters by cohercion to Blasphemy the godly race God had created in the beginning.

Here in the book of Jubilees and especially in the book of Enoch we can get a clear and better picture and a valid and truthful answer in the Dead Sea Scrolls of why God caused the flood.

The book of Jubilees 5:1-2 Dead Sea Scrolls....{...Those fal}len. And {Brutality on earth} increased {and all flesh perverted} {its way from men to} animals, the bea{sts, the brids and everything taht moves} {over land; all these pe}rverted their ways and their standa{rds and began to consume each} other and brutality increased upo}n earth {...}

Tanakh...Genesis chapter 6 When men began to increase on earth and daughters were born to them "the divine beings" other translation "The Sons Of God" saw how beautiful they daughters of men were and took wives from among those that pleased them. The Lord said My breath shall not abide in man forever  since he too is flesh let the days allowed him be one hundred and twenty years. It was then and later too that the Nephilim appeard on earth when the divine beings cohabited with the daughtesr of men who bore them offspring. They were the heroes of old the men of renown. Verse 11 The earth became corrupt before God the earth was filled with lawlessness. When God saw how corrupt the earth was for all flesh had corrupted its ways on earth.

The Books Of Enoch Col.III(=1 Enoch 6:4-8:1) verse 13 These are {the names of their chiefs} Shemihazah, who was {their chief; Ar'teqo}f, second to him Ramt'el {third} to him Kokab'el, {fourth to him;...'el, fif}th to him; Ram'ma'el {sixth to him} Dani'el seventh {to him Zeq'el eighth} to him Baraq'el ninth {to him, Asa'el tenth to him Hermoni eleventh} to him Matar'el twelfth {to him} Anan'el thirteenth {to him Sato'el fourt{teenth to him Shamshi{el, fift)eenth to him Sahari'el sixteenth to him Tumi'el sevent(eenth to him) Turi'el eighteenth to him Yomie'el ninteenth to him' {Yehadi'el twentieth to him.) verse 13 These are the chiefs of the chief of tens. They and their chiefs (all took for themselves) women, chooseing (from) among (them) all and (they began to penetrate women, choosing (from) among (them) all, and (they began to penetrate them, and be defiled by them) and taught them sorcery, (imcantations and the cutting of roots and to explain herbs.} They became pregnant by them, and {gave birthy to giants, some three thousand cubits tall, who} were born upon the earth (in keeping with their infancy and grew at the rate of their growth and consumed} the work of all the sons of men, without  {the men being able to supply them. The giants} plotted to kill the men (and to consume them. They began to sin and to...) against all the birds and animals of the earth {and against the reptiles who move upon the earth and in the waters} and in the sky and the fish of the sea and for some to consume the flesh (of one another and drink the blook. then} {the earth denounced the} wicked {for all that has been done to it.} {Asa'el taught men} to {apply...}

Col.IV(Enoch 8:3-9:36-8)  Shemihazah taught incantations (and (how) to cut roots; Hermoni taught (how) to undo magic} sorcery, magic and skills {Baraq'el taught the signs of the shafts Kokab'el taught} the signs of the stars Zeq'el {taught the signs of the lightening Ar'teqof taught the signs of the earth} Shamsi'el taught the signs of the sun {sahari'el taught the signs of the moon. (All began) (to reveal) secrets to their wives.

Col.II(-1 Enoch 5:9-6:7-8:1) (A)ll the days (of your life...) It happened that when (in those days the sons of men increased) pretty and attractive (daughters were born to them. The Watchers, sons of the sky saw them and lusted for them) and said (to each other; Let's go and pick out women from among the daughters of men and sire for ourselves) 5(sons. verse 18 (They and their chiefs all took for themselves) women, choosing (from?) among all and they began 19 ( to penetrate them and be defiled by them and teach them} sorcery, incantations (and the cutting of roots) 20 (and to explain herbs.

Asa'el taught (men) to manufacture swords of iron and breastplates of copper and showed them} what is dug up (and how) /they could work the go{ld to leave it rea}dy;// and as for/silver,/to emboss it/for bracelets{and other jewellery for women.} (To teach women he divulged) about antimony and eye-shadow {and all the precious stones}29 (and about dyes...}

Col.III(=Enoch 8:2-9:4) (wickedness became great and they}stray(ed in all their paths. Shemihazah) taught {incantation} 2 {and (how) to cut roots; Hermoni) taught (how) to remove magic, (sorcery, magic and skills; Baraq'el taught (the signs of (the rays; Kokab;el taught the signs of the stars {Zeq'el taught the signs of the lightening....'el taught} 4 {the signs of...;'Ar}taqof taught the signs of the earth; {Shamshi;el taught the signs of the sun; Sahari'el} 5{taught the signs of the moon.} And all began to reveal {secrets to their wives.

I gave the main general proposition in the book of enoch in case no one has it on hand to read so they can get the idea of how the demonic race of the fallen angels came to distort and tried to destroy the human race. Far as i have known there are no other Eastern literature or even the Babylonian Gilgamesh stories reveal the truth of how the earth got wicked and why God had to destroy the earth by water.



Michael

Isaiah 66:9-10 and Isaiah 66:8

[asaph]

I have heard both arguements and I lean toward the sons of God being fallen angels. Jude 6 and 7 shed light on this.
Jude
6And the angels who kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great Day--
7even as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, in like manner giving themselves over to fornication and going after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Verse 6 mentions angels then  verse seven says that in like manner as the angels, the people of Sodom and Gomorrah gave themselves over to strange flesh.

The angels that Jesus referred to were not fallen therefore they would not marry as the fallen ones did.

asaph

[asaph]

6And the angels who kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great Day--
7even as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, in like manner giving themselves over to fornication and going after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

The fallen angels did not keep their original dignity and position but abandoned their own dwelling place, which is in heaven, to come to earth at Noah's time to commit fornication with the daughters of men (Gen. 6:2; 1 Pet. 3:19).

The males of Sodom, Gomorrah, and the surrounding cities indulged their lust with males (Rom. 1:27; Lev. 18:22), with flesh that was different from what God had ordained, according to the nature of His creation, for human marriage (Gen. 2:18-24). By committing fornication with different flesh in this way, they acted in the same manner as the angels in the preceding verse and, consequently, underwent the penalty of eternal fire.

asaph

[Allinall]

I think this has popped up before, and I think I've replied, but I'll put my two cents worth in again.  I personally believe the "sons of God" to be a reference to the line of Seth, and the "daughters of men" being the line of Cain.  I believe the whole encounter in Genesis 6 to be the first instance of the holy failing to remain separated from the unholy.  After they mixed, the thoughts of men were "only evil continually."  You will find that later, after the flood and God's judgment on mankind, that God expresses His desire for men to disperse.  Rather than obeying, they chose to gather, build a tower to express their greatness, and "make a name" for themselves.  God confuses their language.  A merciful act for yet another potential downfall.

I also have to strongly disagree with the concept of angelic procreation.  Namely, because if the "sons of God" are fallen angels, and the "daughters of men" are human, then their offspring would be the "seed of the woman."  This is a direct aspect of Jesus Christ.  Such a birth would be a slap in God's face.  And considering how all life comes from God...do you really think God would give any room to the insult of His plan, and His Son?  

I have alot of conjecture here, but I feel strongly about it.  If you don't, I'm not trying to argue, so please don't think so!  

Just a thought...

[asaph]

Quote be Asaph:

6And the angels who kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great Day--
7even as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, in like manner giving themselves over to fornication and going after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

The fallen angels did not keep their original dignity and position but abandoned their own dwelling place, which is in heaven, to come to earth at Noah's time to commit fornication with the daughters of men

PLEASE TELL ME WHERE IN JUDE 6 AND 7 IS THERE ANYTHING IN REFERENCE TO GENESIS 6?

PLEASE TELL ME WHERE THERE IS ONE SINGLE SOLITARY PLACE IN THE BIBLE THAT REFERS TO SUPPOSED ANGELS IN GENESIS 6?

If anyone has to lean towards the “sons of God” in Genesis 6 as being fallen angels, then they are reading into scripture their own assumptions.   There is nothing in scripture to support this theory, nothing, nowhere.
How about answering some questions?  
1.  If indeed evil angels married the daughters of men as 1 Enoch claims, where is the proof from the bible?
2.  Where did the angels come from?  
3.  What happened to them after this?  
4.  How are they judged?  
5.  Why are men destroyed for what the angels did?  
6.  Why should judgment fall upon humans and upon the earth if the angels of heaven were the cause of this sin?
7.  How did the angels procreate without the use of natural bodies?  
8.  Did they create for themselves natural bodies?  Did they use some mysterious power?
9.  Where is there even one instance in the bible of an angel taking on a physical body?
10.  If angels are spirits, how did they create sperm in order to impregnate women?  How did they create the babies?
11.  If Satan has the power to create, please tell me one single instance of at least one minute creation of Satan.

To believe that the “sons of God” in Genesis 6 are fallen angels, one has to ‘read into scripture’ his own opinions and use outside sources to make the case stand.

Be blessed

Why get so excited over a trivial matter. What does "in like manner" mean to you? While Jude is not explicit in mentioning Genesis 6 it certainly is implied. Talk about reading into the Word your own interpretation! Genesis 6 is the place in the Bible where angels are said to go into the daughters of men. Angels are called son's of God in the book of Job also. If the line of Seth is the son's of God then why did they do such a dastardly thing as marrying a daughter of men? Look at Boaz. The poor guy married Ruth. And I wonder if a son of God married Rahab? Moses married a heathen also, did Giants come from these?
This subject is not worth debating because there is no redemptive value in it. I will allow you to hold your opinion and still love you. Please do not get over excited about this subject it's not worth it.
This is one of those topics that we should let lie. Sorry if I caused any grief. God bless you.

asaph

[cris]

This is a very interesting topic---------don't stop NOW.



Here's some more food for thought.

Gen:3:20---Now the man called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.

It looks as if Adam didn't name his wife until after they had sinned, and he named her Eve because she was the mother of all living.  This was before Cain and Abel were born.  Isn't it possible Adam and Eve had children before they sinned, and these might be the ones referred to as the sons of God? They would have been a race of people born without sin (sons of God).  Any child born to Adam and Eve after they sinned would be a different race of people. These two types of people, or races, could have intermarried (co-mingled) per Genesis 6, could they have not?


To Silver------------------you asked, "Where in the bible is there one instance of angels taking on a physical body?"  How about Heb:13:2, "Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by this some have entertained angels without knowing it."

[Sulfurdolphin]

 The curse laden line of Cain with the godly line of Seth fails to explain adequately how "daughters of men" refers specifically to Cainite women.

[cris]

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.  He created angelic beings and human beings-------two types of beings.  There isn't a third created type called devils are there?  Fallen angels or devils have been known to possess humans, haven't they?  I really don't know how angels can impregnate humans. They must use and contaminate human sperm, somehow.  I know the Holy Spirit impregnated the mother of Jesus Christ.  The Holy Spirit lives in the spiritual realm.  Yes, I know the Holy Spirit is God, and that God can do anything.  

I think it would be a good idea if we could clarify, angels,  fallen angels, devils and demons.  I always thought Satan was the head angel in heaven.  When he sinned, he fell, and was cast out of heaven.  God then called Satan "the devil".  If Satan took 1/3 of the angels with him, it would stand to reason they are called devils, also.  Satan masqueraded as a serpent in the garden, didn't he?  Has anyone ever seen what "the devil" really looks like?  I don't think so.  He takes on other forms.

I have more to say, but will let it go until later.  I was ready to post it late this morning, but my electric went out and I lost the whole thing.

cris



 

[cris]

Hey--------what happened to the Genesis 6 thread?




 

[Sulfurdolphin]

   Hi there Cris, I wanted to clarify some of your questions you have.
 
You asked if there are third created types of (fallen) angels called devils. The answer would be no. You are correct that there are angelic beings and human beings.
 
In my understanding Fallen Angels are Demons. They are a fallen race of angelic beings that once worshipped God. I'm reffering to the 1/3 of fallen angels.
 
Satan was once the head angel before his fall. Satan once orchestrated the worship music for God. That is why satan is ruler of the air.
 
Satan possessed the (physical snake, God's creation) in the Garden of Eden to deceive Eve, satan did not become a literal snake but only possessed a snake that satan found in the garden of eden that day.

From what Isaiah says the Cherub Satan was very beautiful and unique from all the other angels that God has ever created. Satan was covered in different stones. Even though satan corrupted His ordained place God ordained him in, satan i believe is still the same cherub angel very beautiful but yet full of hate and murder and lies and etc.

We know through scriptures that Angels can come in human form Hebrews 13:2.  Genesis 18:6-8; 19:3, and angels eat when in there human form like humans. Psalm 78:24-25. Manna is the food of angels.

I still hold the thoery the "Sons of God" are referring to the fallen angels such as in Job 1:6. and the "Daughters of Men" are referring to common women of that time.



Michael

Hope this helps Cris

[cris]

Job:38:7--"When the morning stars sang together, and ALL of the sons of God shouted for joy".  If these sons of God aren't angels, then who or what are they, since man had not yet been created?  This is a rhetorical question.

Job:1:6--"Now there WAS a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them."  Aren't these the same sons of God Job 38:7 speaks of?  Another rhetorical question.  The bible doesn't tell us there are different groups of sons of God, does it?  Rhetorical question, again.  It seems to me this presentation of themselves to God happened in heaven and not on earth.  Satan was among them.  Apparently Satan tried masquerading as a son of God here, too.  Too bad Job had to suffer, but God had plans for the good.  He was going to prove to Satan that he was a loser in using righteous Job.  How could the sons of God be from the line of Seth in lieu of the 2 Job verses above?  NOT a rhetorical question.

Silver said:
Where is there even one instance in the bible of an angel taking on a physical body?

cris responds:
Fallen angels or demons (same thing) have been known to possess humans.  

Silver said:
Oh, yeah.  There are many people who were possessed in the NT.

cris responds:
You intimated there was no verse in the bible where fallen angels possessed humans, yet you believe fallen angels are demons.  You agree demons can possess humans.  This sounds a bit contradictory, does it not?  NOT a rhetorical question.

I didn't say I believed angels could create.  Sorry for the confusion.  I said I thought it was possible for them to possess a human, and somehow (I don't know how) corrupt or contaminate sperm, even egg for that matter, possibly through possession.

Silver said:
I firmly believe that many people who are diagnosed with schizophrenia, neurotic disorders, insanity, etc. are possessed by demons.

cris responds:
I agree here with you, mostly.  Go into a little more detail on why, and how you think this is true.

Silver said:
Satan is an impersonator of God.  If Satan had been able to contaminate God's people throughout the ages he would have definitely used this tact as well.

cris responds:
How do you know he hasn't?  You believe some mentally ill people are possessed.  Mental illness seems to run in families.  I know Satan can't create but that doesn't stop him from impersonating God.  An impersonator looks like the real thing.  You can be fooled and so can I.  Matt:24:24--"For false Christ's and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect."

Silver said:
The Holy Spirit is the only one who can perform a creative work.

cris responds:
I know that.  I was referring to your comment on angels residing in the spiritual realm and being unable to produce physical sperm.  Because they live in the spiritual realm doesn't mean they are unable to manifest in the physical.  Quite possibly, they could contaminate physical sperm.  I didn't say they created sperm.

Grace and peace,
cris






   

[cris]

  Hi there Cris, I wanted to clarify some of your questions you have.
 
You asked if there are third created types of (fallen) angels called devils. The answer would be no. You are correct that there are angelic beings and human beings.
 
In my understanding Fallen Angels are Demons. They are a fallen race of angelic beings that once worshipped God. I'm reffering to the 1/3 of fallen angels.
 
Satan was once the head angel before his fall. Satan once orchestrated the worship music for God. That is why satan is ruler of the air.
 
Satan possessed the (physical snake, God's creation) in the Garden of Eden to deceive Eve, satan did not become a literal snake but only possessed a snake that satan found in the garden of eden that day.

From what Isaiah says the Cherub Satan was very beautiful and unique from all the other angels that God has ever created. Satan was covered in different stones. Even though satan corrupted His ordained place God ordained him in, satan i believe is still the same cherub angel very beautiful but yet full of hate and murder and lies and etc.

We know through scriptures that Angels can come in human form Hebrews 13:2.  Genesis 18:6-8; 19:3, and angels eat when in there human form like humans. Psalm 78:24-25. Manna is the food of angels.

I still hold the thoery the "Sons of God" are referring to the fallen angels such as in Job 1:6. and the "Daughters of Men" are referring to common women of that time.



Michael

Hope this helps Cris

SulphurDolphin,

Thanks for responding.  I should have been a little more clear.  Some of my questions were rhetorical.  I do understand that Satan didn't become a serpent, but rather possessed a serpent.  Read my last post on this subject in reference to the Job verses.  I tend to agree with you that the sons of God reference angels, especially because of the two Job verses I spoke of.

Because the bible isn't in chronological order, I get confused sometimes.  I know there are a few chrono bibles out there, but I just haven't gotten around to buying one.  Am not even sure if it would help in this instance!  Probably not.

Grace and peace,
cris

[cris]

Job:38:7--"When the morning stars sang together, and ALL of the sons of God shouted for joy".  If these sons of God aren't angels, then who or what are they, since man had not yet been created?  This is a rhetorical question.

Job:1:6--"Now there WAS a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them."  Aren't these the same sons of God Job 38:7 speaks of?  Another rhetorical question.  The bible doesn't tell us there are different groups of sons of God, does it?  Rhetorical question, again.  It seems to me this presentation of themselves to God happened in heaven and not on earth.  Satan was among them.  Apparently Satan tried masquerading as a son of God here, too.  Too bad Job had to suffer, but God had plans for the good.  He was going to prove to Satan that he was a loser in using righteous Job.  How could the sons of God be from the line of Seth in lieu of the 2 Job verses above?  NOT a rhetorical question.

Silver said:
Where is there even one instance in the bible of an angel taking on a physical body?

cris responds:
Fallen angels or demons (same thing) have been known to possess humans.  

Silver said:
Oh, yeah.  There are many people who were possessed in the NT.

cris responds:
You intimated there was no verse in the bible where fallen angels possessed humans, yet you believe fallen angels are demons.  You agree demons can possess humans.  This sounds a bit contradictory, does it not?  NOT a rhetorical question.

I didn't say I believed angels could create.  Sorry for the confusion.  I said I thought it was possible for them to possess a human, and somehow (I don't know how) corrupt or contaminate sperm, even egg for that matter, possibly through possession.

Silver said:
I firmly believe that many people who are diagnosed with schizophrenia, neurotic disorders, insanity, etc. are possessed by demons.

cris responds:
I agree here with you, mostly.  Go into a little more detail on why, and how you think this is true.

Silver said:
Satan is an impersonator of God.  If Satan had been able to contaminate God's people throughout the ages he would have definitely used this tact as well.

cris responds:
How do you know he hasn't?  You believe some mentally ill people are possessed.  Mental illness seems to run in families.  I know Satan can't create but that doesn't stop him from impersonating God.  An impersonator looks like the real thing.  You can be fooled and so can I.  Matt:24:24--"For false Christ's and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect."

Silver said:
The Holy Spirit is the only one who can perform a creative work.

cris responds:
I know that.  I was referring to your comment on angels residing in the spiritual realm and being unable to produce physical sperm.  Because they live in the spiritual realm doesn't mean they are unable to manifest in the physical.  Quite possibly, they could contaminate physical sperm.  I didn't say they created sperm.

Grace and peace,
cris






   

I think I need to add a comment on Job:38:7 in reference to the sons of God shouting for joy.  Even if Adam and Eve had been created, it was certainly before humans multiplied on the earth.

[cris]

Silver,

Thank you for your time and knowledge.  I do apprecite it.


Matt:22:30----"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor
                      are given in marriage, but are like angels in
                       heaven."

I don't see that Matthew 22:30 contradicts Genesis 6, nor do I see Matt:22:30 saying angels (fallen) can't marry.  The angels who are in heaven are the angels who kept their first estate.  They aren't married.  It doesn't say they CAN"T marry but rather they AREN"T married.  I don't think any of us know "for sure" if those angels who fell, and were/are on earth, could, or did marry the daughters of men.  We do know that something caused the thoughts of man to be continuously evil, and totally corrupted the earth. So much so, that God was sorry He created man on earth.  It doesn't say He was sorry He created man, but rather sorry He created man on earth.  Maybe because earth is where the fallen angels were?  Hmmm!

Text implicit on "any" daughters. What difference does this make?  I'm not following you.

"The only support that you can find for the sons of God to be fallen angels are OT references to sons of God and then the Book of Enoch."    Is it, (biblical references) or is it not supportive?  What are these other (biblical) references you speak of?  

Again, I don't think we need to mention that angels have no creative power, however, I'm still not sure of procreation.  

In your opinion, please explain what you think the difference is from a fallen angel possessing a body as opposed to an evil spirit taking on a human body?  I think you're saying if the latter were the case, then angels would have creative power.  Well, they don't.  We agree on that.  Please explain what you think the difference is anyway. It wasn't clear to me.  Sorry. Thanks.

If it were possible for a demon and human to produce offspring, I think they'd be half n" half , not one, or the other.  Quite possibly, this is what corrupted man's mind and the earth to such an extent that God destroyed it with the flood.

cris