TONGUES ,Thought I put this up once ?maybe not

[gary cook]

1Co 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying. 1Co 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying. 1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of 1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

Some one must be able to tell this kind or we should not be talking .
This is one tongues



this is another
1Co 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: 1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
THis is another tongue .This is a persons spirit for that person .because we do not know ,the needs of our spirit .the flesh on earth do not know this tongue .it is from GOD


this is another
Act 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
Act 2:9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
Act 2:10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
Act 2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
Act 2:12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
Act 2:13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Act 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:


The 2nd one is the only one I have spoken in and do

lean not to your own understanding ,the just live by faith ,you do not need to be taught of any man ,the HOLY SPIRIT will teach you everything .We are NEW CREATURES IN CHRIST JESUS .NOT OF THIS WORLD .WE ARE AS OUR LORD .HE WILL RETURN SOON FOR HIS BRIDE .Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests
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Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh


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Don"t lean toward your own understanding ,The HOLY SPIRIT will teach you all things.The greatest of these is LOVE.Without faith it is impossible to please GOD.as you have done to the least of these , you have done to ME ,I am the way the truth the light ,
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lean not to your own understanding ,the just live by FAITH .WE are NEW CREATURES IN CHRIST ,in the world ,But not of the WORLD .When we shed this flesh ,We go to NEW JERUSALEM ,where our LORD IS .It is heading here now !To recieve the body.Not long now ?Get your home in order .leave a note ?

[dmckay]

If you examine every, let me repeat that, EVERY passage in the New Testament you will discover a few things. Tongues was primarily a sign gift, as in Jesus' admonition against the religious leaders of the day that their adulterous generations sought only after "signs". The sign gifts were like the miracle of Jesus, they were meant to authenticate that the message and ministry of Jesus was of God.

 In the cases where the use of Tongues is spoken about, the one thing that they all have in common is the there were unbelieving Jews present, and the occurrence of tongues was a sign to them that what was going on was authenticated by God. On the day of Pentecost in Acts the Holy Spirit came down and settled on those in the upper room in a form that looked like tongues of fire. Those present received the Holy Spirit and began speaking in other tongues.

 Why tongues of Fire? First it was a fulfillment of John the Baptist's words about the Holy Spirit baptizing with Fire. Tongues symbolize speech and the communication of the gospel. Fire symbolizes God's purifying presence, which burns away the undesirable elements of our lives. On Mount Sinai, God confirmed the validity of the Old Testament Law with fire from heaven. At Pentecost, God confirmed the validity of the Holy Spirit's ministry by sending fire. At Mount Sinai, fire came down at one place; at Pentecost, fire came down on many believers, symbolizing that God's presence is now available to all who believe in Him.

 The coming of the Holy Spirit was accompanied with a noise like a mighty rushing wind and the sound drew men from all over Jerusalem seeking to discover what happened. When the crowd gathered where the disciples were speaking in tongues, Acts 2:6 says: "...they were bewildered because each of them was hearing them speak in his own language." Verse 11 tells us that what they were hearing was praise of God, "speaking of the mighty deeds of God."

 Now the question arises, "what was the miracle or "sign" gift that bewildered the hearers? Verse 7 They were amazed and astonished, saying, "Why, are not all these who are speaking Galileans? And how is it that we each hear them in out own language to which we were born?...we hear them in our own tongues speaking of the mighty deeds of God."

 The gift of tongues had to do with languages. Since we are instructed that tongues should not be used in church unless there is an interpreter present, it appears that the gift or ability appeared one of two ways. First, the speaker had a God given ability to speak in a language that he had never learned before. Remember, that there was no such thing as the Berlitz school of languages at the time. The Jews in Israel for the most part spoke only Aramaic. Very few had the money or time to get a formal education. Koine Greek was the trade language of the Roman empire so many spoke a smattering of Greek. Paul was an educated man, and acting as the messenger of God to the Gentiles he had a need to be able to communicate in many languages. In 1 Corinthians 14:18 we read, " I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all; however, in the church I desire to speak five words with my mind so that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue." God granted unto Paul an ability to speak with many languages because of his specific ministry. But he emphasizes that just speaking in another language that had not been learned is nothing great if there, is no accompanying understanding.

 On Pentecost, there were Jews from all over the empire making their appearence for the yearly sacrifice and feast. They each were hearing what the disciples were saying in their own native language and dialects. Perceiving that the disciples were uneducated men from Galilee, they knew the impossibility of the disciples being able to speak a wide variety of languages like they were natives of each of those lands. The way the text is worded it appears that what is being said is the one disciple would be speaking the praises of the mighty works of God in tongues, and each individual hearer was hearing what that one disciple was saying in their own native language. So a second manifestation of tongues was not so much in the speaking, but rather in the hearing. For example, you could be speaking in Aramaic, but I would hear you in English, but someone else with me would hear the same thing, but understand it in German or Hoté Malé or whatever their native language is.

 The next occurence of tongues is found in Acts 10 where Peter has been commanded to go and meet with the Roman Centurion Cornelius. God first had to set the stage for Peter by sending the vision of the sheet filled with all manner of animal life and is told to "Rise, kill and eat" Peter refuses claiming that he had never broken the kosher dietary restrictions. Three times the Lord has to tell Peter not to call unclean what He has declared to be clean. While he is contemplating what this vision means, Peter hears the Lord speak telling him that Cornelius' servants are looking for him, and that Peter is to arise and go with them "doubring nothing; for I have sent them. When Cornelius' servants arrive Peter travels to Caesarea with them to the house of Cornelius. After hearing Cornelius relate how the Lord had spoken to him, giving him instruction to send for Peter, and telling him where Peter may be found, Peter says, "Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons." Peter opens the Word of God to Cornelius and his household and while Peter is still speaking the "holy Spirit fell on all them who heard the Word. And they of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Spirit. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, who have received he Holy Spirit as well as we?

 So what do we have here with this second manifestation of tongues. Peter, a Jew who doesn't believe that the Gospel should go to the Gentiles is given a vision from the Lord and instructed not to call unclean that which the Lord has called clean. While thinking about the vision, the Lord speaks to Peter again telling him that 3 men have come for him and that he is to go with them, doubting nothing, because the Lord had sent them. After hearing Cornelius' story of how the Lord had instructed him to send for Peter, it finally sinks in to Peter that he is to emulate the Lord and not be a respecter of persons.

 Even as he is sharing the gospel the Holy Spirit falls on all who in Cornelius' household hear the message and the Holy Spirit falls upon them, indicating their salvation and reception of the Holy Spirit by a manifestation of tongues to convince the Jews who are there and observing that this indeed is the will and act of God the Father. Peter asks who can deny them water baptism seeing that they have received the Holy Spirit just as we did? Again tongues used as a sign for disbelieving Jews.

 Next in Acts 19 Paul encounters certain disciples in Ephesus and asks them if they have received the Holy Spirit since they believed? They respond that they hadn''t even heard the there was a Holy Spirit. Upon inquiring further Paul learns that they had repented and been baptized in accordance with the teaching they had received from John the Baptist. Paul explains to these Jews that John did indeed baptisze unto repentance saying that they should believe in the one who was to come after John, that is Jesus Christ. When they heard this message of the gospel they believed and were baptized in the name of Jesus. As Paul lays hands on them, they receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, manifested by an occurance of tongues as a sign that the message Paul brought was from God. Again a sign to Jewish believers that the message is from God.

 In 1 Corinthians chapters 12-14 Paul is teaching concerning Spiritual gifts in general while also dealing with yet another dispute among these worldly believers who still managed to manifest a full supply of spiritual gifts. Showing that the charismata are not associated with Spiritual maturity, merely Spiritual indwelling is sufficient.

 Paul starts out in 1 Corinthians 12 explaining that unlike their experience as pagans with being lead astray by the many varied idols they encountered there is but one Holy Spirit. From that one Holy Spirit there is a diversity of gifts that are given to the local church. Each of these spiritual gifts is given, to be used in the church to edify the body. Paul stresses in verse 7, "But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. In other words they are given to be used for everyone's good in the local body. Verse 11 "But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills."

 It is the Holy Spirit who determines which believer gets which gifts. Extrapolating from what Paul says next it appears that just like he had to deal with the Corinthian believers earlier that it didn't matter under whose ministry a believer came to the Lord, he now had to intervene in an argument as to which spiritual gifts were better. Apparently the Corinthians were coveting all the gifts, and not all were happy with their gift, thinking perhaps that because their gift was "not as important" in their own view as someone else's gift, they had been short-shrift when the gifts were given. They all wanted what they thought were the most important gifts. From What Paul writes the gifts that were most coveted were: Apostleship, prophecy, teaching, miracles, gifts of healings, tongues and interpretation of tongues.

[dmckay]

continuation:
 In 1 Corinthians 13, the great Love chapter, Paul tries to show them the type of attitude they should have toward gifts. If I do not have "love" it profits me nothing. Paul is trying to teach the Corinthian believers that it doesn't matter what your Spiritual gift is, if your not using that gift out of "Love" for the brethren, the gift is a waste. As he is emphasizing how much more important acting out of true "Love" is Paul includes a bit of information that has been greatly discussed since the time that this was written. Paul writes in verse 8 "Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part;but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away."

 There has been a great deal of debate over this passage, even on the Forum here. What is that which is perfect? There are a number of good arguments that can be made that what Paul, through the direction of the Holy Spirit, is speaking of as "the perfect" is the canon of the New Testament. We have to remember that this was written approximately 55 AD. Right around twenty years after the death and resurrection of our Lord. Not everyone could read and write, and there weren't pocket New Testaments available for believers to carry around and read at their leisure. Once there was an "official New Testament", and I do realize that they didn't know at the time that the Canon of official books or epistles would be called the New Testament, there would no longer be the urgent need for the "sign" gifts to authenticate the message and the messenger.

 In Chapter 14 comes the passages that have caused all the commotion over the gift of tongues in the church today:

 14:2 "For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his Spirit he speaks mysteries.

 14:4 "One who speakes in a tongue edifies himself; but one who prophesies edifies the church."

 14:5 "Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy; and greater is one who prophesies than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may receive edifying.

 14:6 "But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking in tongues, what will I profit youunless I speak to you either by way of revelation or of knowledge or of teaching?"

 14:9 "So also you, unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air. 10 There are, perhaps, a great many kinds of languages in the world, and no kind is without meaning. 11 If then I do not know the meaning of the language, I will be to the one who speaks a barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a barbarian to me."

 14:14 "For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.15 What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.

 14:18 "I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all; 19 however, in the church I desire to speak five words with my mind so that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue."

 14:22 "So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe. 23 Therefore if the whole church assembles together and all speak in tongues, and ungifted men or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are mad?

 What can we take from the teaching on tongues that Paul gives in 1 Corinthians 12 - 14? First, the greater gifts are those that are more beneficial to the Body of Christ. Paul clearly states that one gift is not superior to any other, we are to find out what our spiritual gift/s are and use them. Our gifts are not for our own sefl-advancement. Secondly, the spiritual gifts are to be used with a true sense of agape (self-sacrificing) love. It means setting aside our own desires and instincts and working for the greater good of the Body of Christ as a whole. That entails building up, strengthening and serving our brothers and sister in Christ.

 Third, it is obvious that the spiritual gift of tongues was being abused in Corinth. It had become a source of disorder in the worship services. Others were using it as a sign of spiritual superiority in stead of a means of spiritual unity. Paul says that one who speaks in an unknown(to the hearers) tongue is speaking only to God, for no one else understands. By comparison, Paul says that prophecy(speaking forth the Word of God) is more to be desired because it will edify the hearers. Unless there is an interpreter present to explain what the person speaking in a tongue is saying it not only isn't edifying to the church, it brings confusion. Paul gives specific insruction that tongues not be allowed unless there is an interpreter present. But each of these instances of tongues is still speaking in a language that had not been learned by the speaker. In some cases, it is obvious that the speaker doesn't even understand what they are saying, why else would Paul instruct that they pray that they might be able to interpret (14:13)what they have spoken in another language. Paul says in the next verse that the reason for this is because if someone is even praying in a language unknown to them, their spirit may be praying, but for them their mind is unfruitful

 There is a place in Christianity for intellect. Our faith is suppossed to be based in knowledge. Knowledge of Jesus and His sacrifice, knowledge of Jesus and His person is the definition of eternal life. Our mind and spirit are to be united with our emotions in our worship and praise of God. This is also true of our prayers. When we are pouring out our hearts to God in prayer we aren't supposed to shut off our minds and allow emotion to run wild. John wrote of his Gospel, "...but these things are written that you MIGHT KNOW. He closes his first epistle with these words, vs 18 "WE KNOW that no one who is born of God sins;" vs 19 "W KNOW that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one." vs 20 "And WE KNOW that the Son of God has come, and has given us UNDERSTANDING sothe WE MAY KNOW Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the True God and eternal life.

 Christian faith is not about a "blind step" and hoping there is something out there to catch us, it is KNOWING, logically utilizing our minds.

 In the rest of 1 Corinthians 14 as Paul closes his teaching about the gift of tongues we read, vs 22 "So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers;but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe. vs 23 Therefore if the whole church assembles together and all speak in tongues, and ungifted or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are mad?

 The manifestation of tongues was as stated previously a sign for unbelievers to authenticate that the message and messenger were from God. An unknown tongue unless there is an interpreter present is nothing but a distraction and brings disorder to a worship service.

[gary cook]

In the 1st place .The bible teaches us ?We do not need to be taught of other men .The HOLY SPIRIT will teach us everything .It also tells us not to lean to our own understanding .As YOU can well see .The world is a mess ,by men following men.Also Everything from the HOLY SPIRIT is spiritual .It did not start in this world .It is from GOD .All the gifts and signs .And wonders .Our little minds can not fully understand them any more than our NEW BIRTH .BORN of GOD . But most desire to read a book or hear some other person and believe there words . I find this every where . I SEE this as a major problem on the earth .A book on everything . I mostly only have my experiances with the LORD .But reading HIS LIVING WORD .I KNOW HE MUST reveal TRUTH to me OR I am lost .Because I will not get ,the correct understanding on my own .The tongues I wrote of are true .I have only experianced the one .But THANK GOD FOR IT .But I believe in all 3 .As I BELIEVE every WORD in the bIBLE .I may not fully understand ?But none the less ?I believe .I"ve had or seen most things in the new testament ,but not everything .

[dmckay]

In the 1st place .The bible teaches us ?We do not need to be taught of other men .The HOLY SPIRIT will teach us everything .It also tells us not to lean to our own understanding .As YOU can well see .The world is a mess ,by men following men.Also Everything from the HOLY SPIRIT is spiritual .It did not start in this world .It is from GOD .All the gifts and signs .And wonders .Our little minds can not fully understand them any more than our NEW BIRTH .BORN of GOD . But most desire to read a book or hear some other person and believe there words . I find this every where . I SEE this as a major problem on the earth .A book on everything . I mostly only have my experiances with the LORD .But reading HIS LIVING WORD .I KNOW HE MUST reveal TRUTH to me OR I am lost .Because I will not get ,the correct understanding on my own .The tongues I wrote of are true .I have only experianced the one .But THANK GOD FOR IT .But I believe in all 3 .As I BELIEVE every WORD in the bIBLE .I may not fully understand ?But none the less ?I believe .I"ve had or seen most things in the new testament ,but not everything .

So, do you have some objective standard by which you determine if it is the Holy Spirit that is teaching you something and not a lying spirit. Or if while you are reading, an idea puts into your mind, do you just assume that it must be the Holy Spirit. Do you think that James was full of himself when he wrote, "Be thou not many teachers, for theirs  is the more severe judgment. Or perhaps you think that Paul was wrong when he, guided by the Holy Spirit, wrote Ephesians 4 about hos G-d gavepastor/teachers and the other mentioned. "For the equipping of the saints for the work of the ministry, for the building up of the body of Christ." Or Paul's teaching on the gifts of the Holy Spirit that were given to perfect the saints, a list that includes the gift of teaching.

Your post arrogantly runs counter to the revealed Word of G-d. It doen't sound like the spirit that is teaching you knows the Word of G-d. What does that say about the spirit that you are trusting?

[gary cook]

Well ?The bible  teaches ,My sheep will hear my voice .I know when it is my LORD JESUS CHRIST .Also I have had MANY ansured prayer .That ONLY my lORD would ans. My son standing beside me was dead .I prayed now he is here .That was 11 years ago .I know my FATHER well .But  I would like to know HIm even better .But I LOVE HIM ,more than me now !WE must walk in our new spirit ,led by HIS .1st We must be born of GOD .Or we have nothing but words .HE wants to know us personally .

[dmckay]

Well ?The bible  teaches ,My sheep will hear my voice .I know when it is my LORD JESUS CHRIST .Also I have had MANY ansured prayer .That ONLY my lORD would ans. My son standing beside me was dead .I prayed now he is here .That was 11 years ago .I know my FATHER well .But  I would like to know HIm even better .But I LOVE HIM ,more than me now !WE must walk in our new spirit ,led by HIS .1st We must be born of GOD .Or we have nothing but words .HE wants to know us personally .

I'm sorry to hear that you have allowed yourself to become deceived by the experiential and existential interpretetion of Scripture. Paul, you know Paul? Wrote a little bit of the New Testament, knew a heck of a lot more about the guidance of the Holy Spirit then you do. Paul wrote to Timothy, "Study, to show yourself approved unto G-d, a workman who needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth." He wrote to the Ephesians, you remember the Ephesians don't you? Paul spent almost three years teaching the believers in Ephesus, I guess you think he was wasting their time? Paul wrote to the Ephesians that, "He (G-d) gave some apostles; and some, prophets; and some evangelist; and some pastors and teachers; for the equipping of the Saints for the work of the ministry for the edifying of the Body of Christ. Till we all come in he unity of the faith, and the knowledge of the Son of G-d, unto a mature man, unto the measure of the stature of teh fullness of Christ; that we henceforth be no longer carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the slight of men, and cunning craftiness, by which they lie in wait to deceive."[/I]

Peter, you remember Peter, the man Jesus told, "Feed (teach) My sheep!" Peter wrote, The main thing to keep in mind here is that no portion of Scripture is a matter of private opinion. 21And why? Because it's not something concocted in the human heart. Prophecy resulted when the Holy Spirit moved men to speak God's Word."

You can't just give your own interpretation to Scripture. The is but one G-d given interpretation of each passage of Scripture. That interpretation is the one that the Holy Spirit directed the writer of each passage to write to a certain people, at a certain time in history, at a certain point in their culture and in a specific language that had exacting meanings for those intended readers at the time in question.

If one is to judge from your use of the English language, grammar, syntax and punctuation you have enough on your mind to deal with the language of your birth. What makes you think that you can properly interpret Scripture without the basic training in usiing some of the necessary tools for properly interpreting Scripture? Paul spent three years training the elders in Ephesus in order to prepare them to be able to lead the church. He thought that trained teachers were important. Peter said the no portion of Scripture is up to one's own interpretation.

Despite what two of the main leaders in the church have to say, you have the arrogance to assume that you can teach yourself, and then, after having the audacity to say, "We do not need to be taught of other men." You are posting on this forum in order to teach other men and women. So in essence what you are really saying is that "I don't need other men to teach me."

I suggest that you study another portion of Peter's Teaching, 2 Pet. 1:10 "Wherefore  the rather brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure; for in ye do these things, ye shall never fall." I'll give you a clue, this has to do with what he wrote, under the inspiration of the Hollly Spirit in verses2-9 of the same chapter.

[gary cook]

It is the LORDS will to teach HIS childern .I know the LORD well as I said .Paul well may have had greater experiances than me ? But I can in all truth ,Say I have many more than most .every thing pretty much the new testament I have experianced.I can not say everything .But some things with little teaching inthe BIBle .Paul and I have the same teacher.The HOLY SPIRIT .so I guess to a small degree ,I can compare my self with my great brother .and ,we both were trying to take on the thoughts of our LORD JESUS CHRIST .I know my LORDS voice well . You know brother ,What gets me ?people always talk about there great knowledge of truth .But have no signs following ,nor know of HIS new rest ,nor have any knowledge of the rivers of living water . nor a new birth . never hear the LORD .never lead any one to the LORD .never have a miracle .but are quick too judge others ? Why do you think that   is ?You need to open your heart too our LORD .Give HIM control over your thoughts .FAST .We keep the HOLY SPIRIT from working in our lifes.WE are aways at fault .We sadley love to judge each other . when we should lift each other. I live in 100% FAITH .Well try too ? maybe not 100% But close .Everything GOD has delivered into my hands ,was by faith .wife ,kids home ,health .business .You name it .Not many days go by without receiving something .I have more of everything than I need .

[felix102]

It is the LORDS will to teach HIS childern .I know the LORD well as I said .Paul well may have had greater experiances than me ? But I can in all truth ,Say I have many more than most .every thing pretty much the new testament I have experianced.I can not say everything .But some things with little teaching inthe BIBle .Paul and I have the same teacher.The HOLY SPIRIT .so I guess to a small degree ,I can compare my self with my great brother .and ,we both were trying to take on the thoughts of our LORD JESUS CHRIST .I know my LORDS voice well . You know brother ,What gets me ?people always talk about there great knowledge of truth .But have no signs following ,nor know of HIS new rest ,nor have any knowledge of the rivers of living water . nor a new birth . never hear the LORD .never lead any one to the LORD .never have a miracle .but are quick too judge others ? Why do you think that   is ?You need to open your heart too our LORD .Give HIM control over your thoughts .FAST .We keep the HOLY SPIRIT from working in our lifes.WE are aways at fault .We sadley love to judge each other . when we should lift each other. I live in 100% FAITH .Well try too ? maybe not 100% But close .Everything GOD has delivered into my hands ,was by faith .wife ,kids home ,health .business .You name it .Not many days go by without receiving something .I have more of everything than I need .

Amen Brother Gary.

Brothers and Sisters, Gary speaks the Truth!!! I can testify that these things are from God.

dmckay, human wisdom is foolishness. Do not be so quick to judge things. Here is a question for you dmckay...

What three parts make up your entire being?
Which part can we truly worship God with?

[gary cook]

Bless you both in the name of our LORD JESUS CHRIST .Thank you both .May you be blessed in all that you do .And may we all be really for HIS soon return .

[MalkyEL]

dmckay,
I really appreciate and agree with your perspective on the tongues issue. I am curious as to how you interpret the "personal or private" prayer language phenomenon that is present in today's charis/word of faith venue.  That teaching is hinged on 1 Cor 14:2, and other verses in the NT that state to "pray in the Spirit" [Jude 20 comes to mind, as well as Eph 6:18].

Thanx and shalom, Nana

[lucy smith]

perhaps,this work will explain ' modern-tongues';

http://www.seekgod.ca/fatherparham.htm

[felix102]

In the 1st place .The bible teaches us ?We do not need to be taught of other men .The HOLY SPIRIT will teach us everything .It also tells us not to lean to our own understanding .As YOU can well see .The world is a mess ,by men following men.Also Everything from the HOLY SPIRIT is spiritual .It did not start in this world .It is from GOD .All the gifts and signs .And wonders .Our little minds can not fully understand them any more than our NEW BIRTH .BORN of GOD . But most desire to read a book or hear some other person and believe there words . I find this every where . I SEE this as a major problem on the earth .A book on everything . I mostly only have my experiances with the LORD .But reading HIS LIVING WORD .I KNOW HE MUST reveal TRUTH to me OR I am lost .Because I will not get ,the correct understanding on my own .The tongues I wrote of are true .I have only experianced the one .But THANK GOD FOR IT .But I believe in all 3 .As I BELIEVE every WORD in the bIBLE .I may not fully understand ?But none the less ?I believe .I"ve had or seen most things in the new testament ,but not everything .

Amen Brother.

The Word of God is LIVING and ABIDING! Many things belonging to God transcend our understanding. And these are spiritual things.

Prov 3:5
"Trust in God with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding"

Phil 4:7
"And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and thoughts in Christ Jesus."


Brother gary, I see the mess too. I use to be part of it.

I use to eat from the tree of knowledge but now I eat from the tree of life. I use to know the bible very well but now it is life to me.

Even when I was 12, I could please men with my knowledge...rhetoric, eloquence, in writing; wisdom and understanding; logical reasoning but this only served to puff me up. For "knowledge puffs up but love builds up." My heart was still far from God. Though I said, "you can do all things through Christ who gives you strength" (phil 4:13) I did not believe it. This was said in vane.."vanities of vanities." Empty words. Though I may have taught others, I did not teach myself.

But now I can testify that our Lord Jesus Christ is alive and in our midst! His words are eternal, living and abiding. Praise be to God forever and ever. I now see that many of my prayers are answered and I am constantly thanking God for everything.

I can see that my life is not just a bunch of random events, but events that will lead me back to God. For it was not we who seeked God first, but God who seeked us.

[gary cook]

Bless YOU in the name of JESUS CHRIST,May the LORD fill you with LOVE and TRUTH .May you be a blessing for ever more .You are now ,One day soon ,We will be with our LORD and meet all those who have walked in TRUTH .

[bluelake]

Quote by dmckay:

The manifestation of tongues was as stated previously a sign for unbelievers to authenticate that the message and messenger were from God. An unknown tongue unless there is an interpreter present is nothing but a distraction and brings disorder to a worship service.

You are exactly correct, dmckay.  If there is no interpreter the speaker should keep quiet.  Those who speak in tongues, why do they do it without an interpreter?  Why do they contradict the bible and babble in front of other believers when no unbelievers are around and with no one to interpret?  Why isn’t anyone who speaks in tongues following 1Cor 14:13, which states that if a person speaks in tongues he should pray that he might interpret what he just said?  Kind of strange, eh?  Its aaaallll about emotion these days.

Thanks dmckay for your very informative posts here, for taking the time to bless me.  You certainly demonstrate that you are well grounded in this subject and in solid biblical Christianity.  Be blessed.

Silver

Silver,
I too agree with dmckay. Another reason being, if folks are speaking in languages today, why doesn't it sound like a language. What it is ,is glossolalia, which they refer to as heavenly language. This term isn't found in scripture. How can anyone , if they can interpret, do heavenly language.
At Pentecost this was as Jesus promised along with God the Father, he would send the Holy Spirit(Jn.14) into the world to give us power, power to witness.

God bless,
bluelake