After the "Mark of the Beast, Christ comes...

[Ambassador4Christ]

LOL You Guys Are Killing Me  



"LOOKING UP"

[AngelicMan]

Eccl. 1:1-9 and Eccl 3:15 is in the Catholic Bible, because I have one. It was my grandmother's.Swedenborg's writings comes from the Lord through him, just like He spoke through the Prophets. Swedenborg add nothing to the Word.His writings helps us to better understand the Bible.

I understand that all wisdom is from God.Those who think other wise are eating the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, as in Genesis.God works through people.It is not for us to tell God who to choose.

Harry

[DareDevil]

Pardon my ignorance, but who is Swedenborg, and why should anyone believe what it has to say, over what the scriptures speak of plainly??

If this guy has anything to do with the Lutheran church, say no more...........


Petro

Good for you....as the men above are twisting scripture around something awful. The scriptures have top priority, over any man made sayings.
  Besides...the Lutheran church is really an offshoot of the Catholic church.

[AngelicMan]

Pardon my ignorance, but who is Swedenborg, and why should anyone believe what it has to say, over what the scriptures speak of plainly??

If this guy has anything to do with the Lutheran church, say no more...........


Petro

Good for you....as the men above are twisting scripture around something awful. The scriptures have top priority, over any man made sayings.
  Besides...the Lutheran church is really an offshoot of the Catholic church.

All churches today are false, because they teach the doctrine of three Divine Persons,and faith without good works. God is one,in Person and in Essence.

Jehovah God came into the world and took on human form in order to put Himself into the power of subjugating the hells and of reducing to order all things both in the heavens and on earth.This was the work of redemption.

This humanity He put on over His prior humanity. The humanity that He put on in the world over His prior humanity was like the humanity of a person in the world, each being, however, Divine and  infinitely surpassing the finite humanity of angels and people.

Moreover, because He fully glorified His natural humanity even to the lasts of it, therefore He rose again with the whole body as no other person does.

The passion of the cross was to glorified His Human, and uniting it with His Divinity, so that the Divine and Human in Him become one. The cross was not redemption.

This was redemption:
By assuming this humanity Jehovah God,who was the Messiah in the Human, took on the limitless Divine power not only of subjugating the hells and reducing the heavens to order, but also of keeping the hells subjugated to eternity and saving humankind.

Harry

[John the Baptist]

Who was God talking to when He said let US make man in our image'??

And at the tower of babel? Again, 'let US go down, and there confound their language'  

And Paul stated a truth so that one might not be the ignorant in 1 Cor. 10:1-4! That is ALL of us'ins at times, huh?
---John

[AngelicMan]

At creation, as recorded in the book of Genesis, God saided,"Let us make man in our image after our likeness."Some have been disturbed by these wording,which suggest that more than one Creators were at work

The Hebrew word for God is Elohim, which is a plural construction. It is a "plural of eminence" used for the one God, but only when the Divine Truth is referred to, for truth displays the manifold powers and aspects of God.

In the spiritual sense the six days of creation describe the process of man's regeneration.

The name Elohim is used to indicate that in regenerating man the one God aworks through innumerable agencies,and that it is through the ministry of angels that He leads,awaken, governs,teachers and disposes man's spiritual life and bestows on him the truly human qualities which are meant by the image and likeness of God.

Harry

[John the Baptist]

John here:
There are two referances that were given! We will just skip your posts for 'i' passed the paciffier of Heb. 5 long ago! 'Us' mean one God?? Hog/Wash! You know, the Vomit of 2 Peter 2:19-22 stuff.

You best do a study of 2 Cor. 4:2! Forum if you believe this twisted stuff, you will believe about anything!

---John
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At creation, as recorded in the book of Genesis, God saided,"Let us make man in our image after our likeness."Some have been disturbed by these wording,which suggest that more than one Creators were at work

The Hebrew word for God is Elohim, which is a plural construction. It is a "plural of eminence" used for the one God, but only when the Divine Truth is referred to, for truth displays the manifold powers and aspects of God.

In the spiritual sense the six days of creation describe the process of man's regeneration.

The name Elohim is used to indicate that in regenerating man the one God aworks through innumerable agencies,and that it is through the ministry of angels that He leads,awaken, governs, and disposes man's spiritual life and bestows on him the truly human qualities which are meant by the image and likeness of God.

Harry

[AngelicMan]

Genesis 11
And Jehovah came down. That this signifies judgment upon them, is evident from what has gone before and from what follows, and also from the signification of "coming down," when predicated of Jehovah; from what has gone before, in that the subject has been the building of the city and tower of Babel.

From what follows, in that the subject is the confusion of lips and of dispersion; from the signification of "coming down," when predicated of Jehovah, in that this is said when judgment takes place.

Jehovah or the Lord is everywhere present and knows all things from eternity; and therefore it cannot be said of Him that He came down to see, except in the literal sense, where it is so said according to the appearances with man.

But in the internal sense it is not so, for in this sense the subject is presented as it is in itself, and not according to the appearances; so that in the passage before us "to come down to see" signifies judgment.
 
Judgment is predicated of a state when evil has reached its highest, or, as it is termed in the Word, when it is "consummated," or when "iniquity is consummated."

For the case herein is that all evil has its limits as far as which it is permitted to go, but when it goes beyond these limits, it incurs the penalty of the evil.

This is so both in particular and in general. The punishment of evil is what is then called a judgment.

And because it appears at first as if the Lord did not see or observe that the evil exists-for when a man does evil without punishment, he supposes that the Lord troubles not Himself about the matter, but when he undergoes the penalty he begins to think that the Lord sees, and even that the Lord inflicts the punishment-it is therefore said, in accordance with these appearances, that Jehovah came down to see.
 
To "come down" is predicated of Jehovah, because "the highest" is predicated of Him, that is, He is said to be in the highest, and this too according to the appearance, for He is not in things highest but in things inmost, and this is the reason why in the Word what is highest and what is inmost have the same signification.

On the other hand, judgment or the penalty of evil takes place in lower and lowest things.

This explains why He is said to "come down;" as also in David:
 O Jehovah, bow Thy heavens and come down; touch the mountains and they shall smoke; cast forth lightning and scatter them (Ps. 144:5-6),
where the punishment of evil, or judgment, is signified.

In Isaiah:
Jehovah of Armies shall come down to fight upon Mount Zion, and upon the hill thereof (Isa. 31:4).

And again:
O that Thou wouldest come down, that the mountains might flow down at Thy presence (Isa. 64:1).
 
Here in like manner to "come down" denotes the penalty, or judgment, inflicted upon evil. In Micah:
Jehovah cometh forth out of His place, and will come down, and tread upon the high places of the earth, and the mountains shall be molten under Him (Micah 1:3-4).

Genesis 11:
Verse 7 Come, let us go down, and let us there confound their lip so that they do not hear each man the lip of his companion.
 
'Come, let us go down' means that judgement took place in this manner. 'And let us there confound their lip' means that nobody has the truth of doctrine. 'So that they do not hear each man the lip of his companion' means that all are at variance with one another.

That 'come, let us go down' means that judgement took place in this manner is clear from what has been stated above at verse 5 about the meaning of 'going down'.

The reason the plural is used -'let us go down and let us confound their lips'- is that the execution of judgement is meant, which is carried out by means of spirits, and in fact by evil spirits.
 
Harry
 
 

[DareDevil]

 

All churches are false

Harry

Every church that worship God on Sunday is false, according to scripture.
Jesus said: "Why transgress the commandment of God by your traditions"?
 "BUT in vain...do they worship me..teaching for doctrine the commandments of men", (Matthew 15:3,9).

[AngelicMan]

Jer, His writings always starts with,"And the word of Jehovah came unto me saying."

 Go ye out of the midst of Babel, O my people, deliver everyone his soul from the wrath of the anger of Jehovah, lest your heart become soft, and ye fear for the report (Jer. 51:45-46).

Flee from the midst of Babel, and deliver everyone his soul, lest ye be cut off for her iniquity (Jer. 51:6).

 Forsake Babel, and let us go everyone into his own land, for her judgment hath reached to the heavens, and hath lifted itself up even to the clouds (Jer. 51:9).

 Go ye out of Babel, flee from the Chaldeans with the voice of singing; declare this and make it to be heard; utter it even to the extremity of the earth; say ye, Jehovah redeems (Isa. 48:20-21; Jer. 50:.

Harry


 

[John the Baptist]

FORUM: John here,
if your want me to correct this 'Angel' stuff [from the Rev. 12 chapter], tell me so! Otherwise it is a wasted Vain subject!  
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Genesis 11
And Jehovah came down. That this signifies judgment upon them, is evident from what has gone before and from what follows, and also from the signification of "coming down," when predicated of Jehovah; from what has gone before, in that the subject has been the building of the city and tower of Babel.

From what follows, in that the subject is the confusion of lips and of dispersion; from the signification of "coming down," when predicated of Jehovah, in that this is said when judgment takes place.

Jehovah or the Lord is everywhere present and knows all things from eternity; and therefore it cannot be said of Him that He came down to see, except in the literal sense, where it is so said according to the appearances with man.

But in the internal sense it is not so, for in this sense the subject is presented as it is in itself, and not according to the appearances; so that in the passage before us "to come down to see" signifies judgment.
 
Judgment is predicated of a state when evil has reached its highest, or, as it is termed in the Word, when it is "consummated," or when "iniquity is consummated."

For the case herein is that all evil has its limits as far as which it is permitted to go, but when it goes beyond these limits, it incurs the penalty of the evil.

This is so both in particular and in general. The punishment of evil is what is then called a judgment.

And because it appears at first as if the Lord did not see or observe that the evil exists-for when a man does evil without punishment, he supposes that the Lord troubles not Himself about the matter, but when he undergoes the penalty he begins to think that the Lord sees, and even that the Lord inflicts the punishment-it is therefore said, in accordance with these appearances, that Jehovah came down to see.
 
To "come down" is predicated of Jehovah, because "the highest" is predicated of Him, that is, He is said to be in the highest, and this too according to the appearance, for He is not in things highest but in things inmost, and this is the reason why in the Word what is highest and what is inmost have the same signification.

On the other hand, judgment or the penalty of evil takes place in lower and lowest things.

This explains why He is said to "come down;" as also in David:
 O Jehovah, bow Thy heavens and come down; touch the mountains and they shall smoke; cast forth lightning and scatter them (Ps. 144:5-6),
where the punishment of evil, or judgment, is signified.

In Isaiah:
Jehovah of Armies shall come down to fight upon Mount Zion, and upon the hill thereof (Isa. 31:4).

And again:
O that Thou wouldest come down, that the mountains might flow down at Thy presence (Isa. 64:1).
 
Here in like manner to "come down" denotes the penalty, or judgment, inflicted upon evil. In Micah:
Jehovah cometh forth out of His place, and will come down, and tread upon the high places of the earth, and the mountains shall be molten under Him (Micah 1:3-4).

Genesis 11:
Verse 7 Come, let us go down, and let us there confound their lip so that they do not hear each man the lip of his companion.
 
'Come, let us go down' means that judgement took place in this manner. 'And let us there confound their lip' means that nobody has the truth of doctrine. 'So that they do not hear each man the lip of his companion' means that all are at variance with one another.

That 'come, let us go down' means that judgement took place in this manner is clear from what has been stated above at verse 5 about the meaning of 'going down'.

The reason the plural is used -'let us go down and let us confound their lips'- is that the execution of judgement is meant, which is carried out by means of spirits, and in fact by evil spirits.
 
Harry
 
 

[ollie]

It is contradictory to other scripture in the Bible to say when Christ comes. Only God knows this and it has not been revealed to man. Man is just told to be ready in Christ at all moments as He could come at any moment "as a thief in the night."


 2 Peter 3:9.  The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
 10.  But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
 11.  Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
 12.  Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
 13.  Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
 14.  Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
 15.  And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
 16.  As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
 17.  Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
 18.  But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

[John the Baptist]

It is contradictory to other scripture in the Bible to say when Christ comes. Only God knows this and it has not been revealed to man. Man is just told to be ready in Christ at all moments as He could come at any moment "as a thief in the night."

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Ollie: (John here)
Read on to your verse 13.. are we (you) in darkness? One of the Master's verses state that it will [as it was] in the days of Noah, SO [SHALL] THE COMING OF THE SON BE! True or not??? The YEAR WAS GIVEN to [FAITHFUL] Noah! Go read it! The time that was not known, was the day & hour. The DOOR WAS SHUT, but when did the rain decend, and the wicked die?
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 2 Peter 3:9.  The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
 10.  But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
 11.  Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
 12.  Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
 13.  Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
 14.  Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
 15.  And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
 16.  As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
 17.  Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
 18.  But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

[Ambassador4Christ]

It is contradictory to other scripture in the Bible to say when Christ comes. Only God knows this and it has not been revealed to man. Man is just told to be ready in Christ at all moments as He could come at any moment "as a thief in the night."

*****
Ollie: (John here)
Read on to your verse 13.. are we (you) in darkness? One of the Master's verses state that it will [as it was] in the days of Noah, SO [SHALL] THE COMING OF THE SON BE! True or not??? The YEAR WAS GIVEN to [FAITHFUL] Noah! Go read it! The time that was not known, was the day & hour. The DOOR WAS SHUT, but when did the rain decend, and the wicked die?
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 2 Peter 3:9.  The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
 10.  But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
 11.  Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
 12.  Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
 13.  Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
 14.  Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
 15.  And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
 16.  As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
 17.  Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
 18.  But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

 

Your sooooooooo vain.

Gods Word For You JTB

2Cor. 11:14-15 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

[John the Baptist]

 

(Removed)

Your sooooooooo vain.

Gods Word For You JTB

2Cor. 11:14-15 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

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HAVE A HAPPY SABBATH DAY CAIN!--John