Amazing coincidence?

[Jemidon2004]

LOL...you didn't get any fight started. However, i just had to clarify because sometimes things can be misred and this is one subject that should not be confused. Also, i thought those who believed in Jesus as messiah were called "Messianic Jews" not Christians...however, i'm sure the terms can be used interchangably. Just a few thoughts....

Joshua

[nChrist]

Evangelist,

Brother Hank, discussing the 144,000 is simply a must study issue in Bible prophecy. I was just thinking:  WOW! - they will have their work cut out for them. OR, as a old farmer might say, "A long row to hoe."

I would simply say thanks for another interesting piece of news. It only becomes a fight when someone makes it one. Most of us are simply interested in Bible study on these issues without the interruption of someone trying to turn it into a fight.  

Love In Christ,
Tom

I Timothy 1:14-15  And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

[Raphu]

I won't join and argument, but I though I would share what I've found, again. The Lost tribes of Israel were never called Jews. They were Israelites from the northern territory after Israel split into two nations with seperate kings. The Romans were the first to use the term "Jews", as it was only the house of Judah that returned from captivity to rebuild the wall and temple, as the house of Israel never repented and tacked on a seventimes 390 to their exile (Lev. 26:18; Ez.4:4-6). Most people in the church today still do not understand this - house of Israel + house of Israel = ALL Israel (Rom. 11:25,26)

house of Israel + house of Judah + grafted in branches (companions) = Church or Ekklessia. (Ez. 37:16,17)

Notice, even the New Testament confirms who the New covenant is to:

Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
10  For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

People, we don't know who our anscestors are, just as God planned when the 10 tribes of the house of Israel were lost so long ago, never returning from captivity, but look at what blessing was given them by Jacob (Gen. 48:18-20). They were given the "firstborn" rights to the covenant of Abraham and God, and Judah was given the sceptre of leadership which is why they split and fought one another in the first place (Gen. 49:10). This is how the seed of Abraham became "hamon goyim", father of many nations and spead to "multitudes of Gentiles" which is what "hamon goyim" means in the Hebrew (Gen. 17:4).
Who is know by being firstborn today?
First I will give a scripture confirming Ephraim, Joesph's yougest son, as the head of the house of Israel and receiver of the firstborn double portion rights and then see who else is firstborn in scripture.

Jeremiah 31:9  They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.

Hebrews 12:23  To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Romans 8:29  For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Notice who Jesus said He came after, and that they would answer and know HIs voice:

Matthew 15:24  But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

John 10:16  And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

This should help identify 10 of those 12 tribes represented by the 144,000. Also, when you think of two witnesses. Who are the only two that recognize the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? .....it is the Christians and the Jews - the house of Israel, and the house of Judah. So, some may disagree, but identifying the 144000 as just from the house of Judah which comprised of only two of the tribes - Benjamin and Judah - then they are in error. Jesus found the house of Israel and called them to follow Him, being born again and becoming partakers of the double portion given to the "firstborn" of God - the Christians, believing in Messiah, Jesus, and receiving the Holy Ghost as seal. The Christians answers Christ's call and are the "house" of Israel, and the remnant that will be saved from the house of Judah will be those Messianic Jews who accept Christ whether now or during the tribulation.
What is funny is that all records of lineage was destroyed by the Romans, and only One knows who we are.......

Amos 9:9  "For surely I will command, And will sift the house of Israel among all nations, As grain is sifted in a sieve; Yet not the smallest grain shall fall to the ground.

Hosea 5:3  I know Ephraim, and Israel is not hid from me: for now, O Ephraim, thou committest whoredom, and Israel is defiled.

Jer 31:20  Is Ephraim my dear son? is he a pleasant child? for since I spake against him, I do earnestly remember him still: therefore my bowels are troubled for him; I will surely have mercy upon him, saith the LORD.