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Question: Pick from the list below what you think is necessary to get you to heaven.
 Obeying God's law and commandments - 28 (52.8%)
Doing your best - 7 (13.2%)
Living a good life - 2 (3.8%)
Good works - 3 (5.7%)
Tithing, or giving money to the church - 1 (1.9%)
Church membership or attendance - 1 (1.9%)
Water baptism - 7 (13.2%)
Holy communion - 4 (7.5%)
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« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2003, 01:37:29 PM »

If you were to die right now and God were to ask you, "Why should I let you into my heaven?" Could you now say with confidence based on the authority of the Word of God, Because Christ died "FOR" my sins!
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« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2003, 02:15:52 PM »

I've told you before, Ambassador, your view of salvation is all  ME ME ME ME ME ME ME.

Why  should God let ME in heaven?
What has God done for ME?

This selfishness, which you try to portray as the Gospel, has no place in the Kingdom of God. This is why I said your question was meaningless. "Why should God let ME into heaven?" To that question we should ALL answer, "He shouldn't."
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« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2003, 03:17:50 PM »

I've told you before, Ambassador, your view of salvation is all  ME ME ME ME ME ME ME.

Why  should God let ME in heaven?
What has God done for ME?

This selfishness, which you try to portray as the Gospel, has no place in the Kingdom of God. This is why I said your question was meaningless. "Why should God let ME into heaven?" To that question we should ALL answer, "He shouldn't."

SonofAslan God's Word says that salvation is "the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast" (Eph. 2:8,9). He is not going to have boasters in heaven there are enough of them on earth and nobody likes them. Now thats the bottom line.  Grin
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« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2003, 03:21:06 PM »

So how do you deal with the other Scripture passages that I posted.

Again, I answered your question, so please answer mine. Do believe ALL of Scripture or only part? Or do you hold one part of Scripture to be more true than another part?



PS I  have never denied that salvation is a gift of God.
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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2003, 03:27:45 PM »

So how do you deal with the other Scripture passages that I posted.

Again, I answered your question, so please answer mine. Do believe ALL of Scripture or only part? Or do you hold one part of Scripture to be more true than another part?



PS I  have never denied that salvation is a gift of God.


(2 Timothy 3:16 KJV) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:  Grin
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« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2003, 03:32:09 PM »

Good.

Then how do you deal with the Scripture passages I posted?
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« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2003, 03:36:24 PM »

Good.

Then how do you deal with the Scripture passages I posted?


(2 Timothy 2:15 KJV) Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, "rightly dividing the word of truth." Grin
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« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2003, 03:48:25 PM »

Okay.......and that deals wiith these passages...how?? Undecided


Why are you so hesitant to simply discuss what you think in a straightforward manner? I  have certainly never held my opinions and thoughts back from y'all. So why are you so reluctant to have meaningful dialogue?
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« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2003, 03:54:07 PM »

Okay.......and that deals wiith these passages...how?? Undecided


Why are you so hesitant to simply discuss what you think in a straightforward manner? I  have certainly never held my opinions and thoughts back from y'all. So why are you so reluctant to have meaningful dialogue?

Hebrews 12:2. Says. 'Looking unto Jesus the originator and perfecter of our faith--and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.' Jesus said on the cross . ' It is finished.' John.19:30. When we accept the salvation that God freely offers us, we are accepting a work that God has been completely satisfied with. Gods holy righteous demands have been fully met by Christ's one offering for sin. Hebrews 10:14 says ' For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are sanctified.  Grin
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« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2003, 04:02:12 PM »

Righteousness is given as a free gift and not something that we earn.

"...Even so by the righteousness of one THE FREE GIFT came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous" (Rom. 5:18-19).

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« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2003, 04:44:28 PM »

First, righteousness is NOWHERE called a free gift. Salvation is. And righteousness is NEVER something you "earn". It is something you ARE.

Second. I have heard NO ONE here say that salvation is something one earns, so stop arguing against things no one has affirmed and deal with the questions that are posed.

I ask again. How does that answer the passages I quoted.

Why do you refuse to deal with these passages of Scripture?

I'm looking for a very simple answer to  a very simple question. You say you believe ALL Scripture equally. Great. So do I. And yet, you keep affirming things that seem to deny certain passages of Scripture which I have pointed out. So I want to know how you deal with these particular passages.

Why is this difficult?
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« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2003, 04:55:15 PM »

You know, I don't disagree with you very much ehre, Ambassador. I just think your emphasis is screwed up and your understanding of salvation is  a bit distorted. But on the "essential" issues here, I doin't think I disagree with you. Salvation is free, we don't earn it. however, your udnerstanding that RIGHTEOUSNESS is a free gift is wrong. We must BE righteous. Not merely LOOK righteous.  Christs did NOT take Goid's wrath on Himself. God is loving. He does not seek to punish us purely for the sake of punishing us. This retributive udnerstanding of salvation is wrong. God wasn't angry and Christ stepped in and intercepted the blow meant for us.  We were dead, and Christ restores us to life.
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« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2003, 10:42:50 PM »

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« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2003, 11:00:05 PM »

Wow, look at all the typos in my posts. I guess I need some editorial help.  Cry

mmmmmmm exactly who's the Babe?


And I think I retract my statement. After looking through a book tomight by an evangelical author, I have become more convinced that you, Ambassador, believe, contrary to teh Scriptures, that works play absolutely no role in our salvation. If that is true, I could not disagree with you more. I still affirm that salvation is a gift and we don't earn it, but to claim, as you appear to do, that works are completely nonconsequential is false.

So I would still like to see you deal with the Scripture passages I posted.
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« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2003, 01:20:27 AM »

Ok, I must apologize and ask forgiveness from Ambassador and anyone else with whom Iíve been harsh, arrogant and/or rude. Please forgive me. Iím very sorry.





I have to do this on occasion.  Embarrassed
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