Saved BY Water

[Brother Love]

Why I Cannot Practice Water Baptism Part 1

Sermon Delivered November 15, 1959
By PASTOR CLARENCE E. KRAMER
At Berean Church, Holland Michigan
And over WJBL, 1260 K.C.

Whenever someone teaches a doctrine that is contrary to popular opinion, most people automatically reject it without thinking it through. This is especially true in the matter of water baptism. Christendom has always practiced water baptism, though in many different modes and for many different reasons. Some teach water baptism actually contributes to one’s salvation while others teach that baptism is only a witness of some inward transformation. But though most baptizers differ among themselves as to the significance of the ceremony, yet they all band together to reject the sufficiency of the one divine baptism by which the Holy Spirit places the believing sinner into Jesus Christ.

A remark often heard is: “How can you say that the whole Church has been wrong these centuries and now only you have the truth about baptism.” Let us first remember that we do not know if all believers practiced water baptism even though the Church as a whole did; and don’t forget there is a difference between all believers and the religious hierarchy of Christendom. But further, it is so strange that most have been misled regarding this truth? it will not be so strange to the one who knows the tragic history of Israel. And Martin Luther must have faced with the same problem when he, a mere monk, challenged the entire Church of Rome on the question of justification by faith. Truth has never been popular, and spirituality is not usually found with the majority. Rather than look around us to see what others believe, lest we be found different, we should stand for God’s truth in spite of its unpopularity and the Church’s indifference to it.

Now, we believe that the one basis of fellowship among all believers is the blood of Jesus Christ which saved us from our sins. Our relationship with the blessed Son of God is what relates us to each other. I love every Christian not because they agree with me doctrinally but because they all love my Lord, and we are brethren in Him. Water baptism should never be made a basis of Christian fellowship, unless, of course, water baptism makes us children of God, which no true evangelical, Bible believing Christian teaches or believes.

As for me, I cannot practice water baptism because:

1. WATER BAPTISM IS AN OLD TESTAMENT ORDERANCE (Heb. 9:10).
In Heb. 9:10 we read, regarding Israel’s worship under the law:
“Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.”
The Greek Word for “washings” in this verse is baptismois or baptisms. This incidentally shows that water baptism in the Bible is a ceremonial purification and not a symbol of death and burial. There were no immersions under the old covenant or law. John the Baptist’s disciples had a dispute with the Jews in John 3:5 about purifying, not burying.

This first covenant (now the old covenant) “had also ordinances of divine services and a worldly sanctuary” (Heb. 9:1). The religious worship of Israel under the law consisted in “meats and drinks and divers baptisms.” So water baptism was a part of the law worship and not a “New Testament” ordinance as so many try to make it. One need only read Exodus and Leviticus to find there the numerous ablutions and purification ceremonies. In Leviticus alone there are some 20 references to washings or baptisms. The laver, an important piece in the Tabernacle furniture, was used to wash or baptize the hands and feet of the officiating priest.

Then we read, in Heb. 9:10, that the various regulations of the law, including baptisms, were “carnal ordinances” (the “and” after “washings” is not in the original). Water baptism as a ceremonial cleansing was a physical ceremony, a shadow of good things to come (Heb. 10:1 which never could “make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience” (Heb.9:9) It would be interesting to contrast this passage with 1. Peter 3:21 where the baptism which “doth also not save us” is a baptism that does meet the demand of “a good conscience toward God.” Something which a water ceremony could never do. This baptism is the antitype of Noah’s baptism and must surely refer to death baptism of our Lord Jesus Christ who experienced God’s wrath for us on Calvary. We are safe from God’s wrath being in Christ the same way that Noah was safe from God’s wrath while in the ark.

We also read in Heb. 9:10 that water baptism was “imposed on them until....” Here was law. It was not left up to the believer’s conscience; nothing was ever said about it not being absolutely necessary. It was “imposed,” but only temporarily. Like the law covenant itself which was “added because of transgression, till the seed should come” (Gal. 3:19) water baptism was a temporary institution.

[Brother Love]

Why I Cannot Practice Water Baptism Part 2

Many fine Bible believing Christian who are sure that believers today are not under the law, still insist that believers ought to be under the water. But water is part of the law. Whatever we do with law we must do with the water, and since the believer is not under the law he should not be under the water!

Further, I cannot practice water baptism because:

2. WATER BAPTISM IS NOT OF THE PAULINE REVELATION (1. Cor. 1:14-17)

The important question regarding water baptism is not whether or not it is taught in Scripture. It very plainly is, and for that reason I believe in water baptism. But is water baptism to be practiced today? This is the vital issue. Though God’s Word does teach water baptism, it also teaches the need for blood sacrifices, circumcision and speaking in tongues. I believe in these things too. But are they to be practiced today?

How can we know what is to be practiced today and what is not? By what principle of Bible study can we rule out some things that do not seem to fit, and hold on to others? The key to this important problem is in the Word itself. God has dealt with men in various ways under differing programs. God is now dealing with men in grace, and this dispensation of grace under which we live was first revealed to the Apostle Paul who made it known to us in his epistles (see Eph. 3:1-9; Col. 1:24-27; Rom. 16:25). This is why we must be “Pauline.” Some things once commanded by God are now strictly forbidden (compare Gen. 17:9-14 and Gal. 5:2, 3). The Word of God which is specifically addressed to us today is that revelation committed by the glorified Lord to the Apostle Paul, the Apostle of the Gentiles (Rom. 11:13). Pauline truth is our guide, and all truth must be taught in the light of this revelation.

Now, what does Paul command in regard to water baptism? Absolutely nothing! There is not one command in the Pauline epistles to the effect that members of the Body of Christ should practice water baptism. Paul himself says he was not sent to baptize (Read 1 Cor. 1:17 again). True, he did baptize some, as he also spoke in tongues, but water baptism was not a part of that particular revelation he received from the Lord for us. He was not sent to baptize and neither are we.

Now if Paul was working under the same commission as Peter (and the one most believers today are trying to obey) he could never have said: “Christ sent me not to baptize.” Peter was sent out under the commission of Matt. 28:19,20 and Mark 16:15-17. Under that commission, Peter and the circumcision apostles were told to baptize all nations and he that believed and was baptized would be saved. Furthermore, miraculous signs would follow those who believed. Read the commission in Matthew and Mark again and see all it commands. This “great” commission definitely required water baptism.

But Paul was not sent to baptize and hence could not have been working under that commission. What was his commission? It was a new commission for the new dispensation of grace which he received from the Lord in glory (Gal. 1:11,12: Eph. 3:1-3). Water baptism is not included in this commission or in the program for this dispensation. (See 11 Cor. 5:18-20)

Finally, I cannot practice water baptism because:

3. THE “ONE BAPTISM” is THE WORK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT MAKES US ONE WITH THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. (Eph. 4:5 1 Cor. 12:13).

Paul does say a great deal about baptism but it is not water baptism. In Eph. 4:5 he mentions as part of the unity of the spirit the one baptism. The following verses will show what this one baptism is:

Rom. 6:3,4: “Know ye not, that so many of us as were BAPTIZED INTO JESUS CHRIST were BAPTIZED INTO HIS DEATH? Therefore we are buried with Him by BAPTISM INTO DEATH; that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”

1 Cor. 12:13: “For as many of you as have been BAPTIZED INTO ONE BODY, whether we be Jews or Gentiles...”

Gal. 3:27: “For as many of you as have been BAPTISED INTO CHRIST have put on Christ.”

Col. 2:11,12: “In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ. BURIED WITH HIM IN BAPTISM, wherein also ye are risen with Him through the faith of the operation God, Who hath raised Him from the dead.”

It is quite obvious from a simple reading of these important passages that the one baptism that is common to every believer, irrespective of denomination, is the baptism into Christ and His Body. This baptism occurs the very moment one believes the gospel. If this baptism is by water then water baptism saves, for it is a baptism into Christ.

But it is only God who can save and only the Holy Spirit who can put anyone into Christ. In Rom. 6:3,4 we are told that those who have been baptized into Christ (by the Holy Spirit) have been baptized into His death. It is in His death that we died to sin (verse 2). Since we died with Him we were also buried with Him by means of that baptism into His death; buried, not in water but in His tomb. And when He arose we arose with Him to new life.

This is not symbolic language for water could never symbolize crucifixion, burial in a rock tomb or resurrection to new life. This is all a Spiritual reality which we are to reckon true by faith. This baptism into Christ transforms the life and breaks the power of the sin nature. Could water ever do this? Only God can, and God did, by making us one with Christ through this divine baptism.

This divine baptism, then, presents a spiritual obligation. Because we have been baptized into Christ and thus have died to sin and are now alive unto God, we are commanded to “reckon” ourselves “to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord” (Rom. 6:11). Our baptism into Christ is the only true basis for Christian living. We died to sin only in Him and are alive spiritually only in Him. Put water here and we miss the whole lesson God would teach us. Yea, we miss the power to live pleasing to Him!

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[Brother Love]

[Brother Love]

Baptism: A Mid-Acts Dispensational View

By Ben Webb

http://www.geocities.com/benwebb.geo/bapindex.html


Today, during this present "dispensation of the grace of God" (Eph.3:2), Uncircumcised Gentiles are saved through the fall of Israel, as Paul states in Romans 11:11. Yet no Old Testament prophecy ever even hinted at such a possibility. Instead, prophecy consistently portrays the sanctification of Gentiles as taking place through the exaltation of Israel, rather than through her fall (see Is.2:1-4, 27:13, 61:6-9, Ezek.3:4-7, Micah 4:1-3, Zech.8:20-23, Zech.14:16, etc.).

Nor was such a possibility implied even in the Four Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John (see, for example, Mt. 10:5-7; compare Ezek. 3:4-7). As a result, from the standpoint of prophecy, the salvation of uncircumcised Gentiles today is a true "mystery", as the apostle Paul states in passages such as Ro. 11:25, Eph. 3:1-6, and Col. 1:25-27.

It is therefore the mid-Acts Dispensational view that because Old Testament prophecies have temporarily ceased (1 Cor. 13:, water baptism is no longer necessary (see 1 Cor.1:17; 1 Cor. 12:13; Eph. 4:5); although it was absolutely required at one time for believers in the house of Israel (Mk.16:16; Acts 2:38). While some churches actually recognize the fact that belivers in the previous dispensation were required to be baptized, many of them still fail to understand the "mystery" that Paul speaks of. Consequently, they still allow (or maybe even require) their members to be baptized today. Others also fail to acknowledge that prophecy has temporarily ceased today, thereby relegating Paul's statement in 1 Cor. 13:8 to a future time. This study, then, will explore the purpose behind Old Testament baptism, and the reason why mid-Acts Dispensationalists believe it is no longer relevant.


Table of Contents:


Prelude to understanding the Mid-Acts view concerning water baptism
1. Baptism does not necessarily imply "WATER" baptism
2. Water baptism (washing) was an Old Testament ordinance for Hebrew priests
3. Israel's inheritance as a kingdom of priests
4. Water baptism was required under the prophesied gospel of the kingdom
5. Water baptism was also required under the "Great Commission"
6. Why the "Great Commission" does not apply to Christians today
7. Why was our Lord Jesus Christ baptized?
8. Water baptism was not a replacement for circumcision

For all the above studies:

http://www.geocities.com/benwebb.geo/bapindex.html


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[Brother Love]

[Brother Love]

There is one baptism" (Eph 4:5), which is administered by the Holy Spirit and not by human hands (Col 2:11,12), which results in the permanent union of every believer as a member of the Church which is His Body (1 Cor 12:13).

[Brother Love]

One Lord, Faith, Baptism
 
 
   We will look at the verse in Ephesians 4:5 that says there is one Lord, one faith, and one baptism. I will show you there are not many denominational people out there who believe this verse. I see the signs on the churches out there on this very topic, But I am afraid they don't understand the meaning behind this verse.

    In Matthew 3:11 it reads," I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but He that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire". By this paragraph then, how many baptisms are included here? If you said three then you're right: Water, Holy Ghost, and Fire. So then this would mean there are more than one kind of baptism? Yes there are; there are even more but we will start with this three.

    In Acts 1:5 Jesus is talking here. He said, " For John truly baptized with water, but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence". Now these men were already baptized with the baptism of John, so now something new is introduced into your bible- the baptism with the Holy Ghost. You know this because in 2:1-4 they were baptized with the Holy Ghost and began to speak in tongues ( That is other languages). They received the Holy Ghost, did they not? Yes they did, you are right. Who baptized them? If you said, " Jesus Christ" then you're right. John did the baptizing with water and Jesus baptized these people with the Holy Ghost.

    This is an idea in your bible called " Progressive Revelation" and you're seeing this in action here in this topic. Progressive Revelation is how God reveals things to man, slowly over a period of time rather than all at once ( See article called progressive revelation in advanced bible study). Now you see the baptism changing here right in front of you.

    Peter, In Acts 2:38 told these people to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins and they would receive the gift of the Holy Ghost; everyone agrees with this because this is the way people today are taught to be saved. They got baptized with water then they would receive the Holy Ghost. After Peter and them baptized the people then Jesus would baptize them with the Holy Ghost, do you agree? Good. Let's move on then.

    In Acts 10, Peter is preaching to a man named Cornelious. In Verse 44 while Peter was yet preaching the Holy Ghost fell upon these men. In the next few verses the disciples were astonished that they received the Holy Ghost without water; this shocked them! Then Peter, in Acts 11:16 remembered the words of Jesus Christ about being baptized with the Holy Ghost. These people who he preached to received the Holy Ghost without water.

    Now here is where it gets confusing for people who want something, or have an agenda. In I Corinthians 12:13 it says, " For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles....". They say this believers baptism is with water. This is a grave error to people who want to butcher the scripture. There is no mention of water in this passage at all. Watch: By ONE SPIRIT ARE WE BAPTIZED into one body. If we are baptized BY the Spirit, and that's the Holy Spirit, then who's doing the baptizing? If you said the Holy Spirit then you're right. The Holy Spirit is doing the baptizing today and not man. Not only this though, when the believer today trusts Christ and His shed blood for then, then he/she is Spirit baptized and placed into the church- the Body of Christ- Ephesians 1:13. Then he/she is sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise til they die- Eph.4:30. This is true, right, and according to scripture. Anyone who won't believe this has accurately explained away the scripture.

    This thought then brings us unto Ephesians 4:5, One Lord, One Faith, One baptism. If there's only one baptism in the Body of Christ, and there is, and it's Spirit baptism, and it is, then aren't these people who water baptize people for thier sins going contrary to the bible? If you said yes then you're right. They say believers baptism is with water then the Spirit steps in and baptizes you, yea right. These people also tell you you're saved when you trust Christ. If I am saved and sealed with the Spirit then why would I then need believers baptism to get the Spirit? I don't need something from a man that God already gave me, do I? What are they doing then? They have a motive, an agenda. They want to make a fair show of you in their flesh Gal.6:11-13. They want to glory in your flesh, bragging about how many people they baptized yesterday at church, and it's all in vain. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the truth of God. Some of them even know this but they do it anyway, why? Because they were taught this in preacherboys school and their church requires they do it or else they would lose their jobs. Now they have put money above the truth of God; it would stink to be them when they meet God, knowing they compromised their principles for the world, and money.

    Colosians 2:10 says you are COMPLETE in Christ. You don't need a thing, according to God. Once you trust Christ you are sealed with the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption. Water baptism doesn't even save us anyway; it's the blood of Christ- Rom.5:11. Once you trust Christ and His shed blood for you, it is a done deal; don't let some wicked person bewhitch you into believing things that aren't true, believe the word of God where you will never be wrong for.  

    You see, the churches that have the sign on them that say," One Lord, One faith, One baptism don't believe that verse. Why then do they baptize people with water if they did believe that verse? They are misunderstood on these things. We will pray that they open there bibles and study further and seek Gods words and not their church doctrine.




 

[Brother Love]

[Brother Love]

Thanks super kid, Paul taught Peter everything he knew about the Grace of God.


Read Acts chapter 10.

[Brother Love]

Super kid, I will pray that you open your bible and study further and seek Gods Words and not your church doctrine.

[super kid]

I believe God's word. It states about the Lord Jesus that::

•   He has promised to meet all our needs Philippians 4:19 And my God shall supply all your need according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus.
•   He has promised to always be with us Hebrews 13:5. Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have. For He Himself has said, I will never leave you or forsake you.
•   He has promised to hear our prayers and give us the desire of our heart 1 Peter 3:12 - Psalm 37:4 For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous, and His ears are open to their prayers; but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil. Delight yourself in the Lord, and He shall give you the desires of your heart.
•   He said we are conquerors  Romans 8:37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.
•   He said He would keep us from falling and present us faultless Jude 24. Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to present you faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy.
•   He said He would supply all we need at all times. 2 Corinthians 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have abundance for every good work.
•   He has promised all the seed we need. 2 Corinthians 9:10 - Hebrews 13:20 Now may He who supplies seed to the sower, and bread for food, supply and multiply the seed you have sown and increase the fruits of your righteousness. Now may the God of peace who brought up our Lord Jesus form the dead, that great Shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, make you complete in every good work to do His will, working in you what is well pleasing in His sight, through Jesus Christ to whom be glory forever and ever.
•   He is greater than anyone or anything. 1 John 4:4  You are of God little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.
•   He does more than we ask. Ephesians 3:20 Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us.
•   His thoughts to us are for good. Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the Lord, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.
•   As we seek Him He rewards us. Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
•   He know us. Psalm 139:3  You comprehend my path and my lying down, and are acquainted with all my ways.
•   His eye is on us. 1 Peter 3:12 For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous, and His ears are open to their prayers.
•   He is praying for us. Hebrews 7:25  Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.



 

[Brother Love]

One Lord, Faith, Baptism


    We will look at the verse in Ephesians 4:5 that says there is one Lord, one faith, and one baptism. I will show you there are not many denominational people out there who believe this verse. I see the signs on the churches out there on this very topic, But I am afraid they don't understand the meaning behind this verse.

    In Matthew 3:11 it reads," I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but He that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire". By this paragraph then, how many baptisms are included here? If you said three then you're right: Water, Holy Ghost, and Fire. So then this would mean there are more than one kind of baptism? Yes there are; there are even more but we will start with this three.

    In Acts 1:5 Jesus is talking here. He said, " For John truly baptized with water, but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence". Now these men were already baptized with the baptism of John, so now something new is introduced into your bible- the baptism with the Holy Ghost. You know this because in 2:1-4 they were baptized with the Holy Ghost and began to speak in tongues ( That is other languages). They received the Holy Ghost, did they not? Yes they did, you are right. Who baptized them? If you said, " Jesus Christ" then you're right. John did the baptizing with water and Jesus baptized these people with the Holy Ghost.

    This is an idea in your bible called " Progressive Revelation" and you're seeing this in action here in this topic. Progressive Revelation is how God reveals things to man, slowly over a period of time rather than all at once ( See article called progressive revelation in advanced bible study). Now you see the baptism changing here right in front of you.

    Peter, In Acts 2:38 told these people to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins and they would receive the gift of the Holy Ghost; everyone agrees with this because this is the way people today are taught to be saved. They got baptized with water then they would receive the Holy Ghost. After Peter and them baptized the people then Jesus would baptize them with the Holy Ghost, do you agree? Good. Let's move on then.

    In Acts 10, Peter is preaching to a man named Cornelious. In Verse 44 while Peter was yet preaching the Holy Ghost fell upon these men. In the next few verses the disciples were astonished that they received the Holy Ghost without water; this shocked them! Then Peter, in Acts 11:16 remembered the words of Jesus Christ about being baptized with the Holy Ghost. These people who he preached to received the Holy Ghost without water.

    Now here is where it gets confusing for people who want something, or have an agenda. In I Corinthians 12:13 it says, " For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles....". They say this believers baptism is with water. This is a grave error to people who want to butcher the scripture. There is no mention of water in this passage at all. Watch: By ONE SPIRIT ARE WE BAPTIZED into one body. If we are baptized BY the Spirit, and that's the Holy Spirit, then who's doing the baptizing? If you said the Holy Spirit then you're right. The Holy Spirit is doing the baptizing today and not man. Not only this though, when the believer today trusts Christ and His shed blood for then, then he/she is Spirit baptized and placed into the church- the Body of Christ- Ephesians 1:13. Then he/she is sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise til they die- Eph.4:30. This is true, right, and according to scripture. Anyone who won't believe this has accurately explained away the scripture.

    This thought then brings us unto Ephesians 4:5, One Lord, One Faith, One baptism. If there's only one baptism in the Body of Christ, and there is, and it's Spirit baptism, and it is, then aren't these people who water baptize people for thier sins going contrary to the bible? If you said yes then you're right. They say believers baptism is with water then the Spirit steps in and baptizes you, yea right. These people also tell you you're saved when you trust Christ. If I am saved and sealed with the Spirit then why would I then need believers baptism to get the Spirit? I don't need something from a man that God already gave me, do I? What are they doing then? They have a motive, an agenda. They want to make a fair show of you in their flesh Gal.6:11-13. They want to glory in your flesh, bragging about how many people they baptized yesterday at church, and it's all in vain. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the truth of God. Some of them even know this but they do it anyway, why? Because they were taught this in preacherboys school and their church requires they do it or else they would lose their jobs. Now they have put money above the truth of God; it would stink to be them when they meet God, knowing they compromised their principles for the world, and money.

    Colosians 2:10 says you are COMPLETE in Christ. You don't need a thing, according to God. Once you trust Christ you are sealed with the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption. Water baptism doesn't even save us anyway; it's the blood of Christ- Rom.5:11. Once you trust Christ and His shed blood for you, it is a done deal; don't let some wicked person bewhitch you into believing things that aren't true, believe the word of God where you will never be wrong for.  

    You see, the churches that have the sign on them that say," One Lord, One faith, One baptism don't believe that verse. Why then do they baptize people with water if they did believe that verse? They are misunderstood on these things. We will pray that they open there bibles and study further and seek Gods words and not their church doctrine.

[Brother Love]

[Brother Love]

Can Water Baptism Save You?

YES, if you are living during the flood and are on Noah's Ark! - 1 Pet 3:20 ... in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. YES, if you are a Jew living 2,000 years ago. Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. YES, if you are going to join Peter's church which stopped meeting 2, 000 years ago. Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. NO, if you are going to follow the teachings of Paul in the dispensation of the grace of God . 1 Cor 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. HERE is a list of cults that do not follow Paul today because they require Israel's water baptism for salvation.... Jehovah's Witnesses , Catholics, Mormons, Church of Christ, and others.... who you going to believe? Men or God?

 By Pastor Doug Dodd

[Brother Love]