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« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2004, 02:26:25 PM »

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Many use 1 Timothy 1:8 to support their position that the Law of Moses is still in force.

1Ti 1:8 “But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;”

We need to be careful when we study the Scripture. Many times a person reads into a verse something that it does not say. I believe that to be the case with many when reading this verse. Notice it does not say that the Law of Moses is still in force. What it does say is that the law is good if it is used lawfully. So what would be the lawful use of the Mosaic law today? To use it the way God intended it to be used. As mentioned earlier in this article the Law was given ONLY to the children of ISRAEL from the time of Moses to the cross of Jesus. Therefore the only ones that this law could be applied to were the ones God gave it to and not to any others. An unlawful use would be to apply the Mosaic Law to those who it was not given to. Many times apostles had to deal with those who insisted that Christian are under the Law of Moses. Every time the apostles under the guidance of the Holy Spirit said no! In fact, they said it was the “subverters of souls” who taught this and that they never commanded such a thing (Acts 15:24). The books of Romans, Galatians, Hebrews and many other Scripture verses teach that it is unlawful to teach that believers are under the Law of Moses. When we look at the context of 1 Timothy 1:8 we see that Paul is once again correcting the so-called law keepers rather than supporting their cause.

1Ti 1:5 “Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: 6  From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; 7  Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. 8  But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9  Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10  For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11  According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.”
 
Notice verse 5 says “Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:” Paul is clearly speaking about the New Covenant commandment here. The command to believe on the Lord Jesus and to love one another (1John 3:23). Scripture clearly teaches that the only way one can have a pure heart and a clear conscience is to have them washed in the blood of Jesus by faith, not by keeping the Law of Moses.
Paul goes on to say some have erred on this point and turned aside to vain (worthless) jangling. Desiring to teach the law which they do not even understand. He then says one can use the law if one uses it lawfully and then states that the law was not made for a righteous man but for the unrighteous. The problem the apostles faced over and over were these so-called law keeper teaching that the law was for the righteous man and that believers were to keep the law of Moses. Paul says this is an unlawful use of the law.
If they would teach that no one could become righteous by the law of Moses and that God proved it by giving it to a chosen and privileged people (Israelites from Moses to the cross). Therefore what hope would those far from God (gentiles without the law) have of keeping the law of Moses if those near could not do it. That the law did not have the power to give life or clear one’s conscience but only to condemn and kill, and that the way to life and a clear conscience before God was only through the blood of Jesus. Then they would be using the law lawfully. Yet, these so-called law keepers went about teaching that the law was for a righteous man and that by keeping the law you pleased God and established righteousness before Him which was an unlawful use of the law which Paul condemns.
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« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2004, 05:16:15 PM »

This website will help the Christian world understand the differences between the 2 Laws:
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Are you hinting above that you don't consider yourself a Christian?
A Christian is defined by the Bible as:
  Revelation 14:12   "Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus".
QUESTION: Are the 'saints'...Christians ?

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Do you ever think about and talk about Jesus Christ and the CROSS?
THe cross opened the door whereby men might be saved...IF...they repent of their past sins, and sin no more.
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MOST IMPORTANTLY, did anything at all change after Jesus was crucified on the CROSS? For you, apparently not. If you think that anything did change at the CROSS, what do you think it is? You can't or haven't given any information about your most used word, "Sabbath", yet. If you wish to condemn folks to hell over a single word, you should know and be able to explain what that word means, what it is, and how to keep it. However, you don't keep it.
'The wages of sin is death', (Romans 6:23).
"The soul that sins, it shall die", (Ezekiel 18:4).
Breaking the 7th day Sabbath is sin, (1 John 3:4....Romans 7:7).

The people going to heaven:Revelation  22:14   "Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city".  
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The Christian World uses a different word, over and over again:

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  7:21   "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven".
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« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2004, 05:54:57 PM »

Silver Surfer,

Have you tried to study any of the posts here and in other threads?

Those who try to live under THE LAW can't do it, and they will be condemned by THE LAW. The Law leads to knowledge of sin, but the Law doesn't save, rather it condemns.

However, there is GOOD NEWS for you. There is an ultimate  LAW that is REDEMPTION, SANCTIFICATION, AND JUSTIFICATION.

The Law Of

FAITH

IN JESUS CHRIST!

Love In Christ,
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However, there is GOOD NEWS for you. There is an ultimate  LAW that is REDEMPTION, SANCTIFICATION, AND JUSTIFICATION.

The Law Of

FAITH

IN JESUS CHRIST!

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« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2004, 01:09:08 AM »

Ho, ye needy, come, and welcome;
God’s free bounty glorify.
True belief and true repentance,
Every grace that brings us nigh,
Without money,
Come to Jesus Christ and buy.

By an old preacher about 1,840 years ago.

Sanctification

The primary meaning of the verb which is translated, "to sanctify," is "to hallow, to purify, to consecrate." The noun derived from this verb is defined, "consecration, sanctification."

Consecration is the "act or ceremony of separating from a common to a sacred use, or of devoting and dedicating a person or thing to the service and worship of God." As we dedicate our church buildings. We set them apart for sacred uses, the service and worship of God. As the vessels of the Temple were dedicated or sanctified for special and sacred purposes, so of God’s people. Psalm 4:3 "But know that the Lord hath set apart him that is godly for himself".

Yes, we believe too, that they are made holy by being made "partakers of the divine nature." But this righteousness is imparted, not inherent. 1 Cor. 1:30 "But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption".

We are not sinless and perfect here in the flesh. John was not. He said, 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us".

Paul was not. He said, Rom. 7:18-19 "For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do".

Again he says: "But ourselves also, which have the first-fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body" (Rom.8:23).

1 Cor. 13:10 That which is perfect is in the future. "But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away".

Justification

“Justification is a judicial act of God, in which He declares, on the basis of the righteousness of Jesus Christ, that all the claims of the law are satisfied with respect to the sinner”

 "The Holy Spirit unites us to Christ by grace alone through faith alone. Christ is the object of our faith, and in Him we are declared righteous. In our union with Christ, we receive all of the benefits of the New Covenant on the ground, not of our own works, but because of the life and representative righteousness and redemptive, propitiatory, substitutionary death of Jesus Christ on our behalf. Justification is God’s judicial act of freely remitting the sins of, and reckoning righteousness to, ungodly sinners who have now been united to Christ."

"This calling is an act of the grace of God in Christ by which he calls men dead in sin and lost in Adam through the preaching of the Gospel and the power of the Holy Spirit, to union with Christ and to salvation obtained in him."

Redemption

Christ's resurrection, inseparably connected with his death, is at the heart of the gospel Rom. 10:9; 1 Cor. 15:3-5. Central to the hope ministered by the gospel is the Christian's resurrection Rom. 8:23; 1 Cor. 15.

Jesus Christ has "obtained eternal redemption."  Old Testament sacrifices had to be repeated annually for centuries because they never obtained redemption.  They were but typical representations of the one redeeming sacrifice Messiah would make.  "So Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many"; "with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption" Hebrews 9:28,12.  He therefore shouted in victory as He died, "It is finished!" John 19:30.  He has obtained redemption for every soul for whom He died.

   Jesus Christ has "obtained eternal redemption."  His redeeming work was performed "once for all" Hebrews 9:12.  Every soul redeemed once by the blood of Jesus Christ shall be redeemed for all time.  None of them shall perish in the lake of fire.  Every one whom He has redeemed shall sing His praises in glory for all eternity: Rev 5:9 "For You were slain, and have redeemed us to God by Your blood".

This glorious truth of "eternal redemption obtained" is denied by those who assert Christ made a universal atonement.  They say He paid the price of redemption for all mankind.  But they deny He obtained redemption for them. They say He only made their redemption possible, and that His redemption is worthless unless sinners make it effectual through an act of faith.  They therefore of course deny He obtained eternal redemption, admitting that many of those He tried to redeem will nevertheless perish.
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« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2004, 12:45:15 PM »

Silver Surfer,

Have you tried to study any of the posts here and in other threads?
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Those who try to live under THE LAW can't do it, and they will be condemned by THE LAW. The Law leads to knowledge of sin, but the Law doesn't save, rather it condemns.
Agreed !
No Christian can live under the Law !

Because Christians are LawKeepers, (Romans 3:31)
Sinners are LawBreakers, (1 John 3:4.....Romans 7:7)

However, there is GOOD NEWS for you. There is an ultimate  LAW that is REDEMPTION, SANCTIFICATION, AND JUSTIFICATION.

The Law Of

FAITH

IN JESUS CHRIST!

Love In Christ,
Tom
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