'For by grace you have been saved...

[Ambassador4Christ]

Jeremiah 31:
31  "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,

house of Israel, house of Judah,

Sean which House do you belong too?


Of course I'm a gentile who believed in the Lord Jesus and received Him as My Lord and Savior and accepted His work that He did on the Cross on behalf of all mankind, but I'm not an Isrealite, nor am I from the tribe of Judah.

There was a time after Jesus had lived, taught and was killed as the perfect sacrifice, rose again and assended into Heaven and presented His blood as payment for all the sins of the world for all time, Past , Present and future that God showed Peter a Vision of unclean things and Peter refused to take of them and they had not been cleansed until the third time God lowered the sheet with all the unclean beasts and then God declared that He will no longer consider these beasts unclean and Peter understood that God was speaking also about the House of the gentiles that they would no longer be unclean so they could now receive Salvation through believing in the Lord Jesus and so it began and Peter went to the gentiles house and they received the gift of Salvation then the gift of the Holy Spirit and then were baptized in water and Peter went his way and soon Paul was sent to the gentiles to preach forgiveness of sins to the Gentiles and The Holy Spirit,  Paul and Peter came to this conclusion:

Acts 15
28   "For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials:
29   that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell."
30   So when they were sent away, they went down to Antioch; and having gathered the congregation together, they delivered the letter.

But now we have all the Teachers of the Law that say the Holy Spirit was wrong and so were Paul and Peter, but that we must Obey the teachings of Jesus that he gave to the House of Isreal and to the House of Judah, but it was Jesus who said:

Matthew 15

23Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us."
24He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."
25The woman came and knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said.

See Jesus said this and you say otherwise.

But Jesus also said:

Matthew 10

5These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7As you go, preach this message: 'The kingdom of heaven is near.'


And yet you tell everyone that they have to Listen to the teachings of Jesus inorder to be saved, but Jesus does not say the things that you say.  

So In conclusion:
We have the Modren teachers of the law and then there is God (Jesus/Holy Spirit) who teach two different ways.  

Which one should we listen too?


Well you insist that we listen to Jesus so I guess you are right that we should listen to Jesus and He said he was sent only to the Lost Sheep of Isreal

WOW!!! Very Good Bro You also get a "BIG" AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEN!!!


Sean:

[Early57]

Sean you are mixing the two time periods up.

Jesus said this "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations" After He Died and rose again.  the other teachings of Jesus was before He Died and rose again.


The period of Grace had not begun before the Perfect Sacrifice had been made.   Jesus was sent only to the Lost sheep of Isreal.   It does not mean we cannot be saved as gentiles, it only means that Jesus was sent only to the Lost sheep of Isreal

[Early57]

Did Jesus say " For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast." ?

[Ambassador4Christ]

Sean you are mixing the two time periods up.

Jesus said this "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations" After He Died and rose again.  the other teachings of Jesus was before He Died and rose again.


The period of Grace had not begun before the Perfect Sacrifice had been made.   Jesus was sent only to the Lost sheep of Isreal.   It does not mean we cannot be saved as gentiles, it only means that Jesus was sent only to the Lost sheep of Isreal

AMEN & AMEN  

[Ambassador4Christ]

Did Jesus say " For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast." ?

I know, I know. I know the answer  

Do you Sean?

Sean

[Sean]

 

You are missing my point.  Jesus came for the lost sheep of Isreal but they rejected Him so his grace has been extened to Gentiles as well.  I used those points to illustate your logic path, which I don't agree with, not to say Jesus Grace does not include us.

I said:

How do you interpret:
"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you"
to mean only the Jews/Isrealites?  By that logic, You could take the term "By Grace you have been saved" to only apply to the Jews/Isrealites since that is who Jesus ministered to.  For Jesus said: "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Mat 15:24)

His teachings and grace are for all that are willing, not just the Jews/Isrealites.

My point is that you say everything Jesus said including after his resurrection does not apply to Gentiles even though he said "teaching them to observe all that I commanded you."  That's a dangerous statement since he spoke of our salvation too.

house of Israel, house of Judah,

The covenant was origianlly for them but since they rejected Christ 'The chief corner stone that was rejected' the covenant was extended to the Gentiles since the Jews rejected it.

I'll ask 2 questions:

Is it possible for someone under physical (water) baptizm in a church setting and not accept Christs' Grace?  (i.e. getting baptized because your family told you to, etc.)  Resulting in not being saved.

Do you believe any of Gods' commandments are sacred are have they "passed away" with the new covenant.  What would you tell someone who you are preaching too?  Do you tell them that once they are saved they will no longer be subject to the law or do you tell them that there is no law, no guide for the saved.

[Sean]

Did Jesus say " For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast." ?

I know, I know. I know the answer  

Do you Sean?

Yes, He also said:
"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you"

[Sean]

The saved should do the will of Jesus not to be saved but for 3 reasons.  

1.  To build treasure in heaven as Jesus teaches.

2.  To live a productive life, knowing you are saved you no longer   worry/obsess about money, power and other earthy worries since this life is temporary and will pass away but the saved will have etrernal life in His kingdom.

3.  So that the non-believers will see by your actions that we are loving and respectful, and no longer fear the very things the non-believers fear (as noted in #2) because of Jesus Christ.  When non-believers see the earthy things we do are good, they eventually ask what your "secret" is.  They think 'If Jesus could do that to them,  if He can take away the fear and worry, then maybe Jesus could transform my life as well.'  Obviously, the transformation Jesus has made in our lives is much more than our actions, it is the promise of our sins being coverd by His death on the cross and etrernal life in His kingdom.

[Early57]

Gods law

Hmmmmm

Well I think that only God could follow Gods law so He came and did just that; he lived a perfect human life and gave himself as the only perfect sacrifice.


Gods law is just to show me that I do not measure up.

Jesus' words were to the Isrealites before he died.

Jesus did not say much after the resurrection. He mainly appeared as a witness that He rose again.

His words are great to follow and to base our life upon.  They are not a new Law for us to receive Salvation.  His truth will set us free to live a life in peace with Him but His words do not bring Salvation; his Death, Buriel, and resurrection then the Blood being presented in Heaven gave us Salvation by Grace through faith in Him. His words tell us great and mighty things, his sacrifice gave us great and mighty things.


I wish you could receive the truth and be set free.

[Sean]

His words are great to follow and to base our life upon.  They are not a new Law for us to receive Salvation.  

I wish you could receive the truth and be set free.

Can you please show me where I said there was a new Law that must be followed to receive Salvation.  This has never been a part of what I am saying.  I have been saying: Saved person [pasted tense] follows God and His will [present and future tense] because he/she loves the Lord.  It's done out of respect, not to gain salvation.

[nChrist]

Oklahoma Howdy to Sean,

I'm not trying to be smart or start an argument with this post. I just wish to give you some thoughts about the new covenant. They will be in the form of questions, and you should easily be able to answer them with very little study.

1.  Who was the old covenant (the Law) with? The Jews, The Gentiles, or both.

2.  If you decide to live by the law, how many places in the Bible say that you have to obey all of it?

3.  Do you regularly see a High Priest to serve as an intermediary for you with God? Surely you don't pray directly to God, do you?

4.  Do you eat pork?

5.  Do you make burnt offerings on a schedule?

6.  Do you stone to death adulterers, witches, and rebellious children that reach the age of 18?

I think that's probably enough examples. Would you believe there are hundreds of them? You either live under the LAW, all of it, or you live under Grace. If you have accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Saviour, you are living under Grace. The Gospel of God's Grace was not available to man until after the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. I hope you don't think I was trying to be smart with this post. I can see from your posts that you do read the Bible. I'm not asking you to believe anything without studying it for yourself. If you start in Ephesians, you should get a really good idea of what the crucifixion of Jesus Christ actually meant and what it means for a Christian to live under the Gospel of God's Grace.

[Sean]

Are you a (pre-mil) dispensationalist?

I don't think you are being smart, as a matter of fact, you have driven me to "dig deep" in my heart and in the Bible.  I just think I have been misunderstood.  I just don't want potential Christians to see this forum and think that if they just "say the magic words" they will be saved and can continue in sin and they won't be held accountable.  Being saved is a serious conviction of your life and not to be taken "half-heartedly".

Read Ephesians 4 & 5.  They pretty much sum up what I mean.  To do what is good, because it is our way of giving thanks to the Lord.  I understand Ephesians 3 also.  It was not my intent to try and disprove Grace in any way.  Just that not all receive it.

[nChrist]

Are you a (pre-mil) dispensationalist?

I don't think you are being smart, as a matter of fact, you have driven me to "dig deep" in my heart and in the Bible.  I just think I have been misunderstood.  I just don't want potential Christians to see this forum and think that if they just "say the magic words" they will be saved and can continue in sin and they won't be held accountable.  Being saved is a serious conviction of your life and not to be taken "half-heartedly".

Oklahoma Howdy to Sean,

I believe that the Church which is the Body of Christ will be raptured prior to the tribulation period. In terms of religious and denominational tags, I'm hesitant to use them because I found out they mean different things to different people. I would tell anyone that I firmly believe the Gospel of God's Grace applies specifically to me. However, I would also tell you that the entire Bible must be studied and understood to appreciate the Gospel of God's Grace. God's Grace is not a license to continue in sin, just the opposite. The focus and center of my belief is JESUS CHRIST as my personal Lord and Saviour and the MATCHLESS LOVE AND GRACE OF GOD.

I believe that rightly dividing the Word of Truth involves much more than just dispensations. I like to take the portion of Scripture and put it in context with the chapter and book. Further, I like to use other references throughout the Holy Bible that offers additional or supporting material. It is a must to know who the speaker is, who the intended audience is, and whether the portion of scripture deals with a time before or after the crucifixion of Jesus.

I'm not a preacher, but if I was, I would be preaching the Gospel of God's Grace and trying to build up believers in their faith and fellowship with Christ. The peace and joy come by walking in the Spirit and yielding to HIS will and purpose. I'll post some more after a little bit of rest.

In Christ.

[Ambassador4Christ]

7 Is this another gospel?

asaph

AAAAAAAAAAAAAMEN!!!! Preach it Brother  

Oklahoma Howdy to Asaph,

No, it is the Gospel of God's Grace, but you left out some things. A child of God will receive rewards for good and chastisement for bad. The quality and depth of our fellowship with Jesus Christ is measured by a Christian's walk in the Spirit. No man can live without sin, regardless of how hard he or she tries. God proclaims this in the Scriptures, and this fact should be obvious and painfully clear to all men. The very thought of sin is the same as the deed according to the Scriptures, and any man claiming to be holy would be a liar.

The gift of Jesus Christ as your personal Saviour does not give you a license to sin. The Apostle Paul makes this very clear in Ephesians. It is also made exceptionally clear that no man will ever be able to boast of his own good works, his own righteousness, or his own holiness as having anything at all to do with his or her salvation. In plain terms, no man can add to or take away from the BLOOD OF JESUS. If Jesus is your Lord and Saviour, you have been purchased and you belong to him forever. You could live and breathe Jesus and his Holy Word 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and still have no righteousness or holiness of your own. You would also have NOTHING to claim in terms of earning or paying for your salvation. All goodness and righteousness of God's children is imputed to them through the BLOOD OF JESUS. Good works on the part of a believer is from a grateful heart for the precious gifts given them by their FATHER, ALMIGHTY GOD.

[Ambassador4Christ]

Are you a (pre-mil) dispensationalist?

I don't think you are being smart, as a matter of fact, you have driven me to "dig deep" in my heart and in the Bible.  I just think I have been misunderstood.  I just don't want potential Christians to see this forum and think that if they just "say the magic words" they will be saved and can continue in sin and they won't be held accountable.  Being saved is a serious conviction of your life and not to be taken "half-heartedly".

Oklahoma Howdy to Sean,

I believe that the Church which is the Body of Christ will be raptured prior to the tribulation period. In terms of religious and denominational tags, I'm hesitant to use them because I found out they mean different things to different people. I would tell anyone that I firmly believe the Gospel of God's Grace applies specifically to me. However, I would also tell you that the entire Bible must be studied and understood to appreciate the Gospel of God's Grace. God's Grace is not a license to continue in sin, just the opposite. The focus and center of my belief is JESUS CHRIST as my personal Lord and Saviour and the MATCHLESS LOVE AND GRACE OF GOD.

I believe that rightly dividing the Word of Truth involves much more than just dispensations. I like to take the portion of Scripture and put it in context with the chapter and book. Further, I like to use other references throughout the Holy Bible that offers additional or supporting material. It is a must to know who the speaker is, who the intended audience is, and whether the portion of scripture deals with a time before or after the crucifixion of Jesus.

I'm not a preacher, but if I was, I would be preaching the Gospel of God's Grace and trying to build up believers in their faith and fellowship with Christ. The peace and joy come by walking in the Spirit and yielding to HIS will and purpose. I'll post some more after a little bit of rest.

In Christ.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEN!!!!!