'For by grace you have been saved...

[Ambassador4Christ]

Oklahoma Howdy to Ambassador4Christ,

AMEN!!!! Thank you brother for a host of beautiful posts. I received a blessing from them. I made some notes to study many of the Scriptures you quoted. Complete assurance is refreshing and joyful. Thank you brother!

In Christ.

Welcome Bro  

[Ambassador4Christ]

Sounds like new covenant to me.

Point number one.  Jesus was still speaking to Isreal, the Gentiles are not on the list at that moment.

He was commanding the Isrealites to tell the other Isrealites to obey all that he commanded.  Paul/Saul was not even converted yet and He was the one who would be sent to the Gentiles with a new and living way.  The Jews were and are still the Jews.  

Point number two, you have jumped from Matt 5 to Matt 28

That is a pretty big leap.


point number three, if you look deeper you will find that the gentiles are told to abstain from meats sacrificed to Idols and to abstain from Sexual immorality,  They don't even have to get their PeePee's wacked/Circumcised

AAAAAAAAAAMEN & AMEN + DITTO  

[sincereheart]

A Christian once remarked: "Before I learned the truth of my eternal security, I held on to Christ with one hand and tried to serve Him with the other; but when I realized that both Christ's arms were around me, and I could never be lost, it left both my hands free to serve Him!"

"During the construction of the Golden Gate bridge, it was observed that many of the workmen, fearing for their safety if they fell, were reluctant to perform their work effectively. A net was constructed under the whole span, so that any person falling from the bridge would be caught in it and saved. From that time on, the work went forward with increased speed and efficiency. Once the men knew they were secure, they worked with confidence. To constantly have the fear of being eternally lost is not conducive to confident, loving, and effective service. It is not fear, but love, that should be the motive for the Christian's serving."

BEAUTIFUL! A big "DITTO" and "AAAAMEN"!

[Ambassador4Christ]

A Christian once remarked: "Before I learned the truth of my eternal security, I held on to Christ with one hand and tried to serve Him with the other; but when I realized that both Christ's arms were around me, and I could never be lost, it left both my hands free to serve Him!"

"During the construction of the Golden Gate bridge, it was observed that many of the workmen, fearing for their safety if they fell, were reluctant to perform their work effectively. A net was constructed under the whole span, so that any person falling from the bridge would be caught in it and saved. From that time on, the work went forward with increased speed and efficiency. Once the men knew they were secure, they worked with confidence. To constantly have the fear of being eternally lost is not conducive to confident, loving, and effective service. It is not fear, but love, that should be the motive for the Christian's serving."

 
It is not fear, but love, that should be the motive for the Christian's serving."


BEAUTIFUL! A big "DITTO" and "AAAAMEN"!

[Ambassador4Christ]

Ephesians 2:8, 9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Before we can receive the gift of eternal life we must first acknowledge the fact that we are sinners.

Romans 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"

Romans 3:23 says "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God."

Sinners who are not saved will surely receive Gods punishment.

Romans 6:23 says "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

You must come to an understanding and belief that you need a Saviour.

Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;".

Believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins, was buried and rose again on the third day.

I Corinthians 15:14 says "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

All that is required of us is to believe.

Romans 3:22 says "Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:"

COMPLETE STUDY ON HOW TO BE SAVED

"How can I be saved?" This is the single most important question you will ever ask, and the answer you receive is just as important. With this in mind we want to explain exactly how to be saved. How do you know if were giving you the right answer? You wont until you personally and carefully review the scriptures. Search the word of God and determine for yourself whether or not what we teach you is accurate. Please pray upon what you study. Talk to God about what you learn and you will be blessed by this experience.

First of all let me say that salvation is so very simple. So simple in fact a child could understand and they most assuredly do. However, despite the simplicity of salvation you have no reason to doubt its effectiveness. Human nature is to perform in order to receive. After all, our entire lives are based on this concept, at least in an earthly (carnal) sense. We work at our jobs to receive payment for our services. We pay money to receive goods and services. Our entire mentality revolves around this notion. Knowing this we can have an even greater appreciation for the means by which we receive eternal life. For it is by the grace of God through His faithfulness and our faith in Him that we receive this wonderful gift. Our works do not save us at all. Please read Ephesians 2:8, 9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." This is a key verse in understanding how to be saved.

Before we continue I want to discuss a very important fact that we must all face before we can be saved. This fact is that we are all sinners. Before we can receive the gift of eternal life we must first acknowledge the fact that we are sinners. There is nothing that we can do to change this fact because we were born with the sin nature inside each and everyone of us. Romans 5:12 says "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" When Adam transgressed against God he caused a state of separation to come between man and God. With this separation also came Gods judgement upon man that we all be cursed with a sin nature. To further illustrate our sinfulness let us review two additional scriptures. Romans 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:" Romans 3:23 says "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." It is very important that we acknowledge and believe this fact before we continue.

We must also realize and believe that sinners who are not saved will surely receive Gods punishment. Romans 6:23 says "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." In Revelation 20 we find a frightening description of what Gods punishment for unjustified sin is. Verse 15 says "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Please read Revelation 20: 10 15) Let this be a startling reminder of the importance of not delaying because none of us know what tomorrow brings. Perhaps death lies near upon the horizon. Please dont delay!

Now that youve realized that youre a sinner facing God;s eternal wrath upon sin, you must come to an understanding and belief that you need a Saviour. You must realize that there is nothing that you can do to avoid Gods wrath. Now, heres the good news. You have a Saviour! Someone has already done what was impossible for you to accomplish. That someone is Jesus Christ. God the Father set forth His Son, Jesus Christ to be the sacrifice for sin. For your sin and for my sin. Romans 3:25 says "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;". In order for you to be saved and receive eternal life you must first be totally righteous in Gods eyes. When Jesus Christ shed His blood on the cross He declared His righteousness for the remission of our sins. He offered a means by which we can be released from the guilt and the penalty of our sins. Romans 3:26 says "To declare, I say, at this time His righteousness: that He might be just, and the Justifier of him which believeth in Jesus".

Now, what must we do to receive this wonderful gift? Remember that we do nothing. All that is required of us is to believe. Simply believe that you are a sinner in need of a Saviour. Believe that Gods wrath will be poured out upon sin. Believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins, was buried and rose again on the third day. I Corinthians 15:14 says "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

The gospel of Jesus Christ is so simple yet so effective. This wonderful gift is offered to everyone and you can receive it. You can receive justification for your sins thanks to Christ Jesus. Because of His total righteousness and faithfulness you can also be totally righteous in the eyes of God. Simply believe and then you receive. Romans 3:22 says "Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:" If you believe this wonderful truth how that Christ died on the cross for your sins, was buried and risen again, you are saved. You have eternal life, which is sealed by the Holy Spirit into the Body of Christ. Please spend time meditating upon these things and talk to God about your decision. Thank Him for sending Christ as your sin sacrifice. Spend time in Gods word. Remember this; you speak to God through your prayers and He will speak to you through the Holy Scriptures. This is why it is so important that we spend as much time as possible in prayer and studying the Bible.

[Ambassador4Christ]

I Corinthians 15:3 and 4 read, "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

[Ambassador4Christ]

If youve been told youll lose your salvation if you do something bad, youve been told an error. Why would God give you a gift that has nothing to do with your good works and then take it away because of your bad works? He wouldnt. He offers us salvation as a free gift. Just believe it and rely on nothing else. Thats faith! Rely upon the finished work of Jesus Christ. As the song says

JESUS PAID IT ALL; ALL TO HIM I OWE.

SIN HAD LEFT A CRIMSON STAIN;

HE WASHED IT WHITE AS SNOW.

What a wonderful message of Gods grace! What a God we serve!

[Ambassador4Christ]

[asaph]

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(Philippians.2:13. 'For it is God who works in you both to will and to do for his good pleasure.' What a lot of Christians forget is that it is God who saved us. It is God who keeps us and it is God who is working in us to make us more like Christ. We must also distinguish between how God sees us IN CHRIST, perfect and righteous [our standing before God] and our daily walk in all it's failings and shortcomings. [our state before God ] The first is perfect and never fails for it is based on God and His promises. The last rises and falls according to our obedience to His Word and whether we live for Christ and walk in the Spirit.

Salvation from the penalty of sin and life in Christ is a present possession secured for eternity.)

1 So in other words: no matter how we live, as long as we have faith in Jesus, we are assured of eternal Life?

2 So it is salvation from the penalty of sin and not sin itself?

3 So we really can't tell the difference between a believer and an unbeliever except by his confession of faith in being delivered from the penalty of sin?

4 So if we can't really tell the difference between a believer and a pre-christian, then we can't really know if the person is saved or not? So the only assurance I can give you is, you are saved because you believe you are saved? We can't really know them by their fruit?

5 So Jesus did not die and rise to save his people from their sins but only from the penalty of their sins?

6 So there is really no salvation from sin, but only forgiveness for the sins we are living in?

7 Is this another gospel?

asaph

[Sean]

Sounds like new covenant to me.

That is a pretty big leap.

Yes, it is a pretty big leap & a bold claim to say that the Bible means nothing and you should not abide by anything Jesus taught except that we are saved by grace.  (Is that the only part of it that is still true?)  

Jeremiah 31:
31   "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,
32   not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD.
33   "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Matthew 5:
17   "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
18   "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
19   "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20   "For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

"All" has not yet been accomplished!  Unless you believe all things have been completed and we are in a renewed Heaven and earth with Satan locked up.

Here is another thread on the topic: http://www.christianforums.com/threads/43288-1.html

[Ambassador4Christ]

[nChrist]

7 Is this another gospel?

asaph

Oklahoma Howdy to Asaph,

No, it is the Gospel of God's Grace, but you left out some things. A child of God will receive rewards for good and chastisement for bad. The quality and depth of our fellowship with Jesus Christ is measured by a Christian's walk in the Spirit. No man can live without sin, regardless of how hard he or she tries. God proclaims this in the Scriptures, and this fact should be obvious and painfully clear to all men. The very thought of sin is the same as the deed according to the Scriptures, and any man claiming to be holy would be a liar.

The gift of Jesus Christ as your personal Saviour does not give you a license to sin. The Apostle Paul makes this very clear in Ephesians. It is also made exceptionally clear that no man will ever be able to boast of his own good works, his own righteousness, or his own holiness as having anything at all to do with his or her salvation. In plain terms, no man can add to or take away from the BLOOD OF JESUS. If Jesus is your Lord and Saviour, you have been purchased and you belong to him forever. You could live and breathe Jesus and his Holy Word 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and still have no righteousness or holiness of your own. You would also have NOTHING to claim in terms of earning or paying for your salvation. All goodness and righteousness of God's children is imputed to them through the BLOOD OF JESUS. Good works on the part of a believer is from a grateful heart for the precious gifts given them by their FATHER, ALMIGHTY GOD.

[Sean]

Sounds like new covenant to me.

Point number one.  Jesus was still speaking to Isreal, the Gentiles are not on the list at that moment.

He was commanding the Isrealites to tell the other Isrealites to obey all that he commanded.  Paul/Saul was not even converted yet and He was the one who would be sent to the Gentiles with a new and living way.  The Jews were and are still the Jews.  

How do you interpret:
"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you"
to mean only the Jews/Isrealites?  By that logic, You could take the term "By Grace you have been saved" to only apply to the Jews/Isrealites since that is who Jesus ministered to.  For Jesus said: "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Mat 15:24)

His teachings and grace are for all that are willing, not just the Jews/Isrealites.

Point number two, you have jumped from Matt 5 to Matt 28

That is a pretty big leap.

You can use all of Matthew (and the other Gospels) to learn of what Jesus commands, the Beattitudes are just one (but a big) example.

[Ambassador4Christ]

7 Is this another gospel?

asaph

Oklahoma Howdy to Asaph,

No, it is the Gospel of God's Grace, but you left out some things. A child of God will receive rewards for good and chastisement for bad. The quality and depth of our fellowship with Jesus Christ is measured by a Christian's walk in the Spirit. No man can live without sin, regardless of how hard he or she tries. God proclaims this in the Scriptures, and this fact should be obvious and painfully clear to all men. The very thought of sin is the same as the deed according to the Scriptures, and any man claiming to be holy would be a liar.

The gift of Jesus Christ as your personal Saviour does not give you a license to sin. The Apostle Paul makes this very clear in Ephesians. It is also made exceptionally clear that no man will ever be able to boast of his own good works, his own righteousness, or his own holiness as having anything at all to do with his or her salvation. In plain terms, no man can add to or take away from the BLOOD OF JESUS. If Jesus is your Lord and Saviour, you have been purchased and you belong to him forever. You could live and breathe Jesus and his Holy Word 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and still have no righteousness or holiness of your own. You would also have NOTHING to claim in terms of earning or paying for your salvation. All goodness and righteousness of God's children is imputed to them through the BLOOD OF JESUS. Good works on the part of a believer is from a grateful heart for the precious gifts given them by their FATHER, ALMIGHTY GOD.

AAAAAAAAAAAAMEN Bro Thanks






Sean:

[Early57]

Jeremiah 31:
31  "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,

house of Israel, house of Judah,

Sean which House do you belong too?


Of course I'm a gentile who believed in the Lord Jesus and received Him as My Lord and Savior and accepted His work that He did on the Cross on behalf of all mankind, but I'm not an Isrealite, nor am I from the tribe of Judah.

There was a time after Jesus had lived, taught and was killed as the perfect sacrifice, rose again and assended into Heaven and presented His blood as payment for all the sins of the world for all time, Past , Present and future that God showed Peter a Vision of unclean things and Peter refused to take of them and they had not been cleansed until the third time God lowered the sheet with all the unclean beasts and then God declared that He will no longer consider these beasts unclean and Peter understood that God was speaking also about the House of the gentiles that they would no longer be unclean so they could now receive Salvation through believing in the Lord Jesus and so it began and Peter went to the gentiles house and they received the gift of Salvation then the gift of the Holy Spirit and then were baptized in water and Peter went his way and soon Paul was sent to the gentiles to preach forgiveness of sins to the Gentiles and The Holy Spirit,  Paul and Peter came to this conclusion:

Acts 15
28   "For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials:
29   that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell."
30   So when they were sent away, they went down to Antioch; and having gathered the congregation together, they delivered the letter.

But now we have all the Teachers of the Law that say the Holy Spirit was wrong and so were Paul and Peter, but that we must Obey the teachings of Jesus that he gave to the House of Isreal and to the House of Judah, but it was Jesus who said:

Matthew 15

23Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us."
24He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."
25The woman came and knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said.

See Jesus said this and you say otherwise.

But Jesus also said:

Matthew 10

5These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7As you go, preach this message: 'The kingdom of heaven is near.'


And yet you tell everyone that they have to Listen to the teachings of Jesus inorder to be saved, but Jesus does not say the things that you say.  

So In conclusion:
We have the Modren teachers of the law and then there is God (Jesus/Holy Spirit) who teach two different ways.  

Which one should we listen too?


Well you insist that we listen to Jesus so I guess you are right that we should listen to Jesus and He said he was sent only to the Lost Sheep of Isreal