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« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2004, 06:56:36 PM »

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In the above verse...
Jesus claims a kingdom  tells us it is not of this world, tells us he has servants.

And the last words of that verse which you don't seem to address, are..."NOW (meaning time, the here and now, which was 2000 years ago) is my kingdom not from hence (here, earthly)".

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Where does Jesus say His kingdom is earthly?

Jesus is the Word, right?
The Word of God.
The Word of God (bible) is the inspired Word, correct? "ALL scripture is God-breathed..."

There were plenty of scriptures (inspired Word that speak of Jesus) posted that tell of a coming earthly kingdom and reign.

Do you believe in the Trinity?
"Do you believe in the Trinity?"

Hi,

I've been following the discussion, but your last question confuses me.
What does the trinity and believing in it have to do with the discussion?

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« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2004, 07:06:41 PM »

How do these verses fit in with the discussion where Paul states flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God?
That which was natural was first then the spiritual etc. Christ stops reigning when death is destroyed etc.etc.

1 Corinthians 15:20.  But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
 21.  For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
 22.  For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
 23.  But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
 24.  Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
 25.  For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
 26.  The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
 27.  For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
 28.  And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
 29.  Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
 30.  And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?
 31.  I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
 32.  If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.
 33.  Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
 34.  Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
 35.  But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
 36.  Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
 37.  And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
 38.  But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
 39.  All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
 40.  There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
 41.  There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
 42.  So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
 43.  It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
 44.  It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
 45.  And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
 46.  Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
 47.  The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
 48.  As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
 49.  And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
 50.  Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
 51.  Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
 52.  In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
 53.  For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
 54.  So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
 55.  O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
 56.  The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
 57.  But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
 58.  Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.



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« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2004, 09:08:49 PM »

Thank you Miss Heart!

 
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« Reply #48 on: July 24, 2004, 10:37:52 AM »

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I've been following the discussion, but your last question confuses me.
What does the trinity and believing in it have to do with the discussion?

LOL! In one post, Reba had said "Jesus did not say...of this earth", implying that if Jesus (or the words) did not specifically use those words, then it could not be true.

The question was only to bring home a point...there are times, and scriptures, when we must of necessity consider a large number of them and infer what they are referring to....such as "the Trinity".  That word and direct reference is not in the Bible, but the doctrine is inferred from a number of different places.

So too with David's throne...one given to him by God, actually existing on this physical earth, etc.....
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« Reply #49 on: July 24, 2004, 11:18:14 AM »

1 Cor 15:46-50

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
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« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2004, 02:21:27 PM »

Thank you Miss Heart!

 

You're most welcome!  Kiss

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