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« on: June 17, 2004, 06:41:39 AM »

Jesus appears to be alluding to Daniel 8 when he says:
Luke 21:24 (KJV): "And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."
Compare the similarity of the language:
Daniel 8:13 (KJV): "How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?"
A similar correspondence between the people who were thus subjugated could also be highlighted.

Daniel 8:14 (KJV): "And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."
One major fulfilment of the 2300 days could be from the opening vision of Daniel 8 that depicts the overthrow of the Ram by the He-Goat. "The Anchor Atlas of World History" states that Alexander defeated the Persians at Granicus in May BC 334, and at Issus in Nov BC 333. Add 2300 years to this and we arrive at 1967, the Six-Day War, when Jerusalem was once again brought under the control of the Jews.

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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2004, 07:00:42 AM »

Another factor in connecting Luke 21:24 with Daniel 8:13-14 is that Matthew's record of the Mount of Olives Prophecy shows that Jesus referred to Daniel's prophecy and "the abomination of desolation".
Matthew 24:15 (KJV): "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)".
The first occurence of the phrase "the abomination of desolation" in Daniel is:
Daniel 8:13,14 (KJV): "13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long [I}shall be[/I] the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."
The KJV has "concerning" for Daniel 8:13 in italics, and if removed the question is "How long the vision". The question is, how long will this vision continue, what is its duration. The start of the vision is when the goat slays the ram. The answer in Daniel is "unto 2300 days" and in Luke this is equated to "until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled". Also Jesus interprets the 2300 days as the times of the Gentiles. If this is correct, then the vision starts in BC 334. May BC 334 + 2300 -1 for AD 1 = May 1967, a bit late by two weeks or so. If May BC 334 is reliable, Nasser was possibly a little reticent, or the king of Jordan, and resisted for a while like the prince of Persia withstood the angel. This defines the period commencing with the Greek dominance of the Holy Land, the people of Judah, the city of Jerusalem and the worship centred there.

Treading down appears to speak of military dominace. There is a contrast with Psalm 8 with Christ. The way one kingdom subdues another is firstly by sending in its army. The very phrase trodden down almost gives a picture of an army marching, like the sad pictures we see of an army marching into a city, sometimes after the end of a horrific battle fought elsewhere and the surrender of the country or city. This is what happened with the Greeks and Romans in their successive initial conquests of Judea, and this was also intensified in AD 70.

The parallel with the 70 years of Babylon dominance is obvious. The stump of the Babylon tree was to have an iron and brass band, symbols of Rome and Greece in Daniel 2. The 1st Temple did not fall to Babylon straight away, neither was it restored as soon as Daniel confessed and prayed at the end of his 70 years in captivity, only the decree for the return was issued. When the Greeks took military control of Jerusalem they did not overthrow the 2nd Temple, or cause the Daily burnt offering to cease. When the Jews took Jerusalem in 1967 the existing religious systems, Moslem and Christian, continued as it is today. The major difference in 1967 was the Jews regained access to the wailing wall, the privilege she lost in 1948. If anything the events of 1967 highlight to a greater intensity the very details of the words of Jesus, the basis of the Mount of Olives prophecy:
Matthew 24:2 (KJV): "And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."
Why was the temple destroyed in AD 70? - because the Jews and the Greco-Romans crucified the Messiah. Jesus will cleanse a remnant of the Jews Romans 11:25-26, Zechariah 13:6-9, he will ultimately destroy the Greco-Roman system Daniel 8:23-25, Daniel 2:44.

The heart of this prophecy is the crucifixion of Jesus, and this element is expanded in the 70-week prophecy. Daniel 8 is a wide-ranging prophecy, starting with the overthrow of Persia by the Greeks, the crucifixion of Christ, the destruction of Jerusalem and the cessation of the worship in AD 70 because of Judah's iniquity, and finally the destruction of the Greco-Roman power by Christ when he returns to establish his kingdom and restore true worship centred in Jerusalem Daniel 2:44, Isaiah 2:1-4.

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