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« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2004, 06:08:39 PM »

Why would it be wrong to date someone who is not brainwashed.  They were born into this world like everyone else as an atheist.  Everyone is born an atheist by default.  

I’m sorry, but I really don’t believe that I have been brainwashed. When you are brainwashed you have absolutely no choice about the things you say, do or believe. I know that at any point in my life I could walk away from my faith and stop believing in God (you did after all) – I am not planning on doing that EVER as I have seen God at work in too many ways and I completely trust and believe in Him.

They were born into this world like everyone else as an atheist.

Again, I simply don’t agree with you that everyone is born an atheist. An atheist is someone who has formed the opinion that God doesn’t exist. When you are born you cannot possibly have beliefs such as this because you don’t know anything about God at all. The same goes for people who live in the most remote parts of the world, who never hear anything about God – I would not call them atheists either. They simply haven’t had the chance to hear anything about Him to form their own opinions

And like a cult but on  a much larger scale, which makes it easier to believe, you are coerced and ridden with guilt (sins, sex) to believe, be afraid, in this God.

No, no and no again. Christians are not brought up with guilt. That is not what the faith is about at all. YES you have to admit that you are a sinner – you cannot deny that you have never done anything wrong in your whole life. Even if you haven’t broken a religious law such as one of the 10 commandments, I am sure you have, for example, lied to someone, which is seen as wrong by everyone, not just Christians! Christianity is actually about having no guilt, because Jesus paid for all the sins we were ever going to commit when he made himself a perfect sacrifice on the Cross.
Yes I do fear God, but I also love Him and want to do my best for Him. It is not a fear in the way that I am scared of violent people, but a respectful fear, in the same way that I fear my earthly parents.

Christian morality is backward and ancient

Please can you explain how it is backward? Just because it is ancient, doesn’t mean it is irrelevant – I believe that although Christian morality that you find in the Bible was written thousands of years ago, it is ‘alive’  - Perhaps a Christian Cliché, but it works so I’m sticking with it! It is still as relevant today as it was back in Jesus’ day.

The Bible is filled with murder, rape, and child abuse.  Most of this is done or defended by God

Can you back this up please? Perhaps it is in there, but I would encourage you to show people where exactly so that they can form their own opinions instead of blindly following what you say.

If you completely believe in the Bible, how do you know the Bible was influenced by God and not Lucifer.  Theoretically couldn't Satan have used the Bible as a way to divert everyone away from the real truth

I’m not entirely sure about what you are saying here…
The Bible clearly says that God is love and the Devil is completely Evil.
Are you saying that the Devil could have influenced people to write this?
If you are, what do you suggest his motives are? To conceal WHAT truth from people exactly? I don’t get it.

I don't want any of you to call me satanists because all of you are the satanists since I don't believe in Satan and you do.

I’m not going to call you a Satanist, but neither would I call myself one. Yes, I believe in the devil, but I do not worship him. I know he exists, and that he is the father of lies and evil.


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« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2004, 09:36:01 PM »

Unless the Father who sent Jesus draws him then he can't come to Christ.  He is an anti-christ by his own testimony. Be careful not to become a partaker of his evil deeds.

For you were once darkness, but are now light in the Lord. Walk as children of light, for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth, proving what is well pleasing to the Lord. Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather even reprove them. For the things which are done by them in secret, it is a shame even to speak of. But all things, when they are reproved, are revealed by the light, for everything that reveals is light. Therefore he says, "Awake, you who sleep, and arise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you." Therefore watch carefully how you walk, not as unwise, but as wise; redeeming the time, because the days are evil. (Eph 5:8-16)

For many deceivers have entered into the world, who do not confess Jesus Christ coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the anti-christ. Look to yourselves, so that we may not lose those things which we worked out, but that we may receive a full reward. Everyone transgressing and not abiding in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ, he has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house, nor speak a greeting to him. For he who speaks a greeting to him is partaker of his evil deeds. (2Jo 1:7-11)

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up in the last day. It is written in the prophets, 'They will all be taught by God.' Therefore everyone who hears from the Father, and has learned, comes to me. (Joh 6:44-45)
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Religion is like a coconut.  You must break through the husk of man's traditions to get to the sweet milk & meat of the gospel of Christ.

These people draw near to me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips...in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrine rules made by men.
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