Gay Agenda. More.

[Symphony]

The Toronto Star is reporting, in an article by a Peter Howell, there, that a new film, Elephant, on the Colorado Columbine school shootings, is being received with "acclaim" at the Cannes Film Festival.

The director, Van Sant, who did Good Will Hunting is portrayed as "openly gay", and that he doesn't want to give any predetermined judgements on the shootings, in the film, preferring, he says,

 "I do have my own ideas about why something like Columbine happened, but some of those things aren't really in the film," said Van Sant, measuring his words. "I was really trying to get at more of a poetic impression, and to sort of allow the audience's thoughts into that impression, rather than to dictate an answer or a reason."

Alluding to the rumor that the two shooters were possibly bullied, and were homosexual lovers, "Elephant" portrays the two teenagers in a shower, kissing each other.


By leaving this portrayal of the Columbine massacre as "amoral" or "antiseptic"(my words), is it not therefore an unspoken endorsement?

Isn't is--ahem--"WRONG" to go around shooting people?  

And, um, isn't it just "WRONG" to participate in homosexuality?

And, if it is, isn't it then just "WRONG" to portray such a massacre in any other light than what it really is, that is, "WRONG"?

But rather, what you have here, evidently, is the massacre being protrayed as "antiseptic", relying instead on the audience to have its own conscience.

Hmmm, let's see.  What was the point of that story, Lord of the Flies??

"Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves..."  ??Matthew 10:16

[Tibby]

No way people are going to allow this! It is a slap in the face to the victims of every Terrorist attack that has happened from the past 10-20 years! I normally don’t approve of violence to solve problems, but in Van Sant‘s case, if he goes thru with this, I’m open for a temporary change in principles! Sometime, actions are just so much better then words! Just ask the Money Changer in the Temple...

[Saved_4ever]

Yo Van Sant off da heezy!  

[Saved_4ever]

Oh wait I get it!!! what he's trying to portray is that gays are mass murderers.  If you like to kiss men in the shower then you like to shoot people when you get angry.  


Cool got it.  

[Symphony]

Maybe what van Sant might argue here is that he's using perhaps a "parable" format, to leave it up to the viewer to decide.

To me, though, we could apply that same logic to the viewing of, say, pornography.  Even the secular world knows and even enforces that pornography is wrong.  

Strangely, though, when it's presented under a literary or artistic banner, as perhaps a parable, of sorts, then all of a sudden it's okay.

Somehow, dramatizing wickedness, whether its murder, or sexual sin, etc., has just gotta be only of Satan.  

God has two Old Testament figures dramatize particular events--Hosea, to marry a harlot, to demostrate Israel's harlotry, and Ezekiel to lie on one side, and then the other, for many days, to dramatize something(I forget what).

But with van Sant, if we move along a continuum of first, condemning such behavior, as there at Columbine, then, we revise that to a sterile or amoral presentation, at what point do we not then actually begin to "celebrate" such events?  Or, that is, actually begin to "approve" of them, if we don't express our disproval at the beginning??!!  Somehow, this is too much of the "non-discrimination" culture which we have built.  We aren't to "discriminate".

Somehow, dramatizing wickedness without a moral statement or rebuke is to risk endorsing that wickedness.

[Tibby]

As a Homosexual, I doubt he will make his own look bad in this. I’m guess the story will go along the lines of they are persecuted and ridiculed for being homosexual by the “evil” conservatives, and these “atrocities” push them over the edge. Classic Wrongdoer is a victim plot. Don’t you just LOVE when they do that. Yeah, you break a ma’s leg for trying to rob your house and murder you, and you get sued for all you have!  Clinton isn’t a womanizer, he just has mental problems because his mother and Grandmother fought a lot. So what if you got in a fight at a Football game, your black ,and that means it isn’t your fault, Society made you this way! God Bless America, where stupidity and sleaziness thrive. Who needs to take responsibility for their actions? We live for the moment! We can go online and say thing we never would in real life, because we have the right, too. Good ol’ America, where everyone who isn’t a middleclass white male is a victim.  

[Symphony]

Yes, that's true.  As van Sant is openly gay, it would be difficult to "bite the hand that feeds you".  Of course, he can't legitimately come out, at least yet, with fists swinging, saying gay is good, gay is good, if he's then portraying the same gays as mass murderers, as in this case.  The gross contradiction speaks for itself.  Even so, I imagine, going forward here, that even those sorts of wholesale contradictions will become passe, and the next argument we'll be hearing is, "Okay, so what?  So, two gays go out then and mow down a bunch of people.  So what?  Are you saying that gays are evil then?"   And then, of course, you're suppose to answer, "Oh no!  Whatever gave you that idea!!"

So, of course, all of this is very, very evil.

In Jesus' Name...

[Saved_4ever]

I figured since you already have this thread title this would fit well.  I hope you see it soon symphony because this one will really getyou riled(I think).

It turns out the bravo wants to join in the "reality tv" genre and they have a new twist on "the bachelor" show.  They are going to have a gay version where a gay man has 25 men to choose from (as opposed to women of course).  The other kicker here is that not all the men are gay.  Well I don't know about you but it's a good thing this isn't a basic chanel as I find the idea abhornet at best.

This world seems to get more and more like the days of Noah.

[Symphony]

Yes, thanks Saved4, that sounds like what i heard on a news broadcast.

Back to the van Sant "Elephant" documentary or film or whatever, then is it fairly well confirmed that the two Columbine murderers were gay "lovers"(albeit a little young to be given that title)?

[Tibby]

Are you kiddign me, Noah had it luck! lol, he never had the Anna Nicole Smith Show! And I use the word "show" losely. lol. Any of your poor souls had this displeasure of seeign that waste of Air time?

Anyways, what other details can you give us on this show, saved? Do you have a website for the show, so we can write letters of protest? And we though Mr. Personality was bad!

The Reality show crazy is getting out of hand! Why can't they just go back to sitcoms! I guess it is all about money, liek I said in a prevous thread.

[Saved_4ever]

http://www.bravotv.com/  I don't have time to look through it but I'm sure you can find something there.  I heard about it on the radio though so I don't know all the particulars.

As far as the columbine kids I have no idea what their sexual preference was but this is the first I've heard someone try to say they were gay.  I would guess they weren't and the ploy of this movie will be to make straight people look like evil people for not being "accepting" of "different" people.  In the end it's always someone elses fault isn't it?

[Tibby]

Here is it:

http://www.bravotv.com/Queer_Eye_for_the_Straight_Guy/

Now that is one twisted show. What a shame.  

[Symphony]

Something Wicked This Way Comes:

At yours, tibby, they come right out there and say exactly what some of us, here, last summer were saying the Gay community would be ultimately doing:  

"QUEER EYE FOR THE STRAIGHT GUY:  a reality show where five gay men are out to make over the world  one straight guy at a time."

So now, they're coming right out and admitting there is an agenda.

But, of course, Adolf Hitler did even announce his intentions, I believe, in his Mein Kompf, years ealier.  So, no great surprise here.  Not to mention, um...."prophecy" by...um..."Jesus" and um...."et.al." in the Bible??

I wonder now when the gay movement, ultimately, will merge with a nazi-like movement--maybe even with the actual Nazis themselves.  I'm guess the Nazis themselves were predominantly gay--either as submissive "fairies", or as the dominant "Butches", I think they were called.

And everyone here in western "civilizations" say we must run around defending them, hehe.  Boy, what a Trojan Horse.  


Lord help us...  The only way out now--or ever, for that matter--the blood of our Lord and Savior Jesus...

[Tibby]

Not a chance. People offent forget Jew ere not the only people on the Nazi hit list. They did treated homosexuals the same way. I don't see the gays getting to much more powerful. Vocal, yes, they get more and more vocal every year, but as for power, they are just getting weaker. Here is Texas, a Constitutional Amendment was just added that says we will not support or recognize Gay unions! The Gays thought it would help these cause to make homosexuality politically correct. It didn’t, it just made them a larger target.

[Symphony]

Hmmm, Tibby, that's an interesting take on the current gay issue.  Some "positive" news for a change.  I would like that!!

But, there in TX, I thought it was your right to privacy case that was now before the U.S. Supreme Court, that Sen. Santorum of PA was in the news about a month ago, saying that if the S. Court okays that case, it will open the flood gates to incest, bygamy, pygamy, etc.  The commentators I read all agreed that it was likely the S. Court will okay that TX law.  

However, if it is as you say, that they've passed a law NOT honoring gay marriage, then maybe that's a step in the right direction.  I would like to be surprised for a change.

On the Nazi thing, there've been a number of Net articles, and a book or several on the Nazi/Gay connection.  The so-called persecution of gays in the death camps was only a front, it's been said, to justify the Nazi philosophy of an Aryan Race(they couldn't propigate a new, superior race, if everyone was gay, since gays don't typically reproduce).  But in reality, it appears that much of the behind the scenes Nazi private life was rife with the gay "lifestyle"(hehe, or "death"style).  There was a very convincing series of articles and book about Hitler himself, and having one or more close confidants murdered, I believe, to cover a gay lifestyle.

I'm guessing this is difficult to discern b/c much of the mainline media is pro-gay, so most main media sources would tend to obscure it.  That's my guess.

But your news there is welcome, that's for sure!