Politics

[ollie]

I hear what you are saying, but what do you want them to do? They need money. They sold the Bishops house already and everything. It is the prefect scam. Who has the courage to tell an alleged abuse victim you think they are lying? No one. And once everyone found out you can get money and/or get back at your Priest, many of them just at the chance.

Same thing happened to the Army a few years back. They opened a rape crisis hotline, but closed it down in less then a year. All the women where getting back as their COs. And of course, the ACLU owned judges and Lawyers jumped at the chance to deal a blow to Christians. The ACLU and Anti-Catholics are destroying Christianity. Get mad at them.

"The ACLU and Anti-Catholics are destroying Christianity."

The dialectic that Satin uses is to create a debate in which untruth debates untruth to determine a falsehood that appears as truth, thereby deceiving all and sending everyone involved down the primrose path to the "lake of fire" thinking they are heaven bound.

Ollie

is that true?

It is a personal observation of many pseudo Christian and worldly organization's discussions and debates with one another and each other.

Ollie

[BUTCHA]

Reba speaks volumes in one (looooooong) thought with little puctuation.

Reba - you remind me of Paul - the apostle whose sentences never end.  Must be 'sign'.  

PS - That is a complement - something I rarely have for x-wives.  

wow you guys were married?

[Willowbirch]

Oklahoma Howdy to Reba,

SISTER, that was great! Can I quote it if I give you the proper credit?  

Love In Christ,
Tom

[Willowbirch]

PS - That is a complement - something I rarely have for x-wives.  

wow you guys were married?

He didn't say it was HIS x-wife.

[michael_legna]

Except for Sapph. He is a straight up Nazi.

Hmmm - Nazis were the "Socialist" party (look it up) - that makes Nazis LEFT wing (liberal).  (There are actually an amazing number of similarities between Hitler's Party and the American liberal - but that is for the political thread that may never materialize.)

Since we agree Sapph is right of center - he certainly can't be a Nazi.     "NASCAR Redneck" may be closer...  

I don't know a lot about Sapph - but I can assure you he isn't "cute"...  

If you push a democrat hard enough you get a communist - if you push a republican hard enough you get a nazi.

Will Rodgers was invited to the White House and was told he could not discuss Sex, Religion or Politics and he told them he wasn't coming.

[ollie]

Except for Sapph. He is a straight up Nazi.

Hmmm - Nazis were the "Socialist" party (look it up) - that makes Nazis LEFT wing (liberal).  (There are actually an amazing number of similarities between Hitler's Party and the American liberal - but that is for the political thread that may never materialize.)

Since we agree Sapph is right of center - he certainly can't be a Nazi.     "NASCAR Redneck" may be closer...  

I don't know a lot about Sapph - but I can assure you he isn't "cute"...  

If you push a democrat hard enough you get a communist - if you push a republican hard enough you get a nazi.

Will Rodgers was invited to the White House and was told he could not discuss Sex, Religion or Politics and he told them he wasn't coming.

"If you push a democrat hard enough you get a communist - if you push a republican hard enough you get a nazi."

 

[JudgeNot]

Below is the Fascist (Nazi) Manifesto of Italy. (Complements of Vox Day, Christian columnist.)
Read it over then ask yourself: "Self", you ask, "Does this more closely resemble the American liberal's beliefs, or the American conservative's beliefs?"

The Manifesto of the Fascist Struggle, published in The People of Italy on June 6, 1919.

Italians! Here is the program of a genuinely Italian movement. It is revolutionary because it is anti-dogmatic, strongly innovative and against prejudice.

For the political problem: We demand:

a) Universal suffrage polled on a regional basis, with proportional representation and voting and electoral office eligibility for women.

b) A minimum age for the voting electorate of 18 years; that for the office holders at 25 years.

c) The abolition of the Senate.

d) The convocation of a National Assembly for a three-years duration, for which its primary responsibility will be to form a constitution of the State.

e) The formation of a National Council of experts for labor, for industy, for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc. Selections to be made from the collective professionals or of tradesmen with legislative powers, and elected directly to a General Commission with ministerial powers.

For the social problems: We demand:

a) The quick enactment of a law of the State that sanctions an eight-hour workday for all workers.

b) A minimum wage.

c) The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of industry commissions.

d) To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or public servants.

e) The rapid and complete systemization of the railways and of all the transport industries.

f) A necessary modification of the insurance laws to invalidate the minimum retirement age; we propose to lower it from 65 to 55 years of age.

For the military problem: We demand:

a) The institution of a national militia with a short period of service for training and exclusively defensive responsibilities.

b) The nationalization of all the arms and explosives factories.

c) A national policy intended to peacefully further the Italian national culture in the world.

For the financial problem: We demand:

a) A strong progressive tax on capital that will truly expropriate a portion of all wealth.

b) The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor.

c) The revision of all military contracts and the seizure of 85 percent of the profits therein.

[ebia]

You're not comparing like with like.  A manifesto is a glorified advertising brochure, designed to sell the party to the electorate, not to describe what the party stands for, let alone what its leaders actually believe.

[JudgeNot]

...glorified advertising brochure, designed to sell the party to the electorate, not to describe what the party stands for, let alone what its leaders actually believe.

 
When has that ever NOT been true of any party platform?
 

(Or used car dealer, or insurance salesman...)  

[ebia]

...glorified advertising brochure, designed to sell the party to the electorate, not to describe what the party stands for, let alone what its leaders actually believe.

 
When has that ever NOT been true of any party platform?
 

Exactly my point.  So to compare the manifesto of one party (Italian Facists) with the actual beliefs of another is pretty meaningless.

Even comparing manifestos would be pretty meaningless - like trying to choose a car soley by comparing the adverts in the Sunday paper.  They are all trying to tell you what they think you want to hear, not what they are really like.

[ollie]

Below is the Fascist (Nazi) Manifesto of Italy. (Complements of Vox Day, Christian columnist.)
Read it over then ask yourself: "Self", you ask, "Does this more closely resemble the American liberal's beliefs, or the American conservative's beliefs?"

The Manifesto of the Fascist Struggle, published in The People of Italy on June 6, 1919.

Italians! Here is the program of a genuinely Italian movement. It is revolutionary because it is anti-dogmatic, strongly innovative and against prejudice.

For the political problem: We demand:

a) Universal suffrage polled on a regional basis, with proportional representation and voting and electoral office eligibility for women.

b) A minimum age for the voting electorate of 18 years; that for the office holders at 25 years.

c) The abolition of the Senate.

d) The convocation of a National Assembly for a three-years duration, for which its primary responsibility will be to form a constitution of the State.

e) The formation of a National Council of experts for labor, for industy, for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc. Selections to be made from the collective professionals or of tradesmen with legislative powers, and elected directly to a General Commission with ministerial powers.

For the social problems: We demand:

a) The quick enactment of a law of the State that sanctions an eight-hour workday for all workers.

b) A minimum wage.

c) The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of industry commissions.

d) To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or public servants.

e) The rapid and complete systemization of the railways and of all the transport industries.

f) A necessary modification of the insurance laws to invalidate the minimum retirement age; we propose to lower it from 65 to 55 years of age.

For the military problem: We demand:

a) The institution of a national militia with a short period of service for training and exclusively defensive responsibilities.

b) The nationalization of all the arms and explosives factories.

c) A national policy intended to peacefully further the Italian national culture in the world.

For the financial problem: We demand:

a) A strong progressive tax on capital that will truly expropriate a portion of all wealth.

b) The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor.

c) The revision of all military contracts and the seizure of 85 percent of the profits therein.

"Does this more closely resemble the American liberal's beliefs, or the American conservative's beliefs?""

Neither.

[michael_legna]

I was thinking of the original Nazi party not modern versions of it.  Anyone who has read any of Hitlers writings would know that he hated the communists and would never consider putting the two parties on the same extreme of the political spectrum.

Of course my statement was also done with my tongue firmly in my cheek so I wouldn't think of pushing the analogy too far.

[JudgeNot]

Of course my statement was also done with my tongue firmly in my cheek so I wouldn't think of pushing the analogy too far.

Exactly my reason for posting the Italian version of the Fascist Manifesto.  All of you have summed it up nicely!  You each get a 'A' for the class!  

When discussing politics, you are:
A) denouncing a proven liar
B) defending a proven liar
C) All of the above!

Ha-ha!  In politics the best liar wins!  

(Ahem... except of course, for the Constitution Party!)  

Yours in Christ,
JN

PS:  Oh - and be very careful about defending too adamantly - it may make your true colors shine through!  

[Willowbirch]

Will Rodgers was invited to the White House and was told he could not discuss Sex, Religion or Politics and he told them he wasn't coming.

[Brother Love]

Why don’t we have a Politics section? A whole section, with boards for World Politics, US Politics, Elections and Candidate, political Theory, Economy, the Media, etc, etc

Tibby we all know how much you know about being a believer, and how much you understand the Word of God (THE BIBLE), do you really want us to know how much you know about Politics??  


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