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[Sower]

I am not strong in end times prophecy or the book of Revelation. However, won't satan be destroyed in the end?

Satan will be confined to the Lake of Fire eternally. Since it is in "outer darkness", Satan will be separated for ever from God's new heavens and new earth by an infinite distance,as well as through eternal confinement in a place of eternal torment. Read the last three chapters of Revelation.

[sojourner]

Heidi,

What you say here in this quote:

"The resurrection and salvation is for all men" i believe that only chosen people of GOD will get salvation.

In quoting me and answering with your phrase I understood that you are not understanding. Salvation and saved are two different things.

The work of Christ, the objective work is complete and is available to all men. If any is human, they are included. That does not mean all will be saved.  That is why I stated that you are confusing the work of Christ and man's response. How you answer that call will either result in heaven or hell.

This quote:

What Jesus meant in John, 12:32, is that He will not appear to the Jews exclusively but to all men regardless of their race, ethnic background, etc. He also said that "Few will enter the kingdom of heaven",

It is not a matter of appearing.  Christ died for all men. Christ redeemed the world and every human being in it from beginning to end. Salvation is for ALL.
The few who will enter, is related not to Christ's finished work but to man's response of that FREE gift. In other words, what will you do with it?

[me]

Thank you Heidi for your explanation. if Jesus Christ had died for the sin of the world, then why does HE still needs our willing to receive HIM as our Saviour? if it's right then HIS death will be a half success and half failure, because only people who willing to receive Jesus Christ as HIS Saviour will be saved. So it goes this way, Jesus Christ had died for your sin( it makes you clean), but you don't wanna receive HIM as your Saviour, so you remain unsaved. Aren't this a vanity? Sorry if my word are little rude. If Jesus Christ had died only for HIS chosen people, than HIS death is 100 % success,because HE will draw all HIS chosen people (by HOLY SPIRIT calls) to receive HIM in faith as their GOD and Saviour.
GOD loves you all.

[His_child]

Thank you Heidi for your explanation. if Jesus Christ had died for the sin of the world, then why does HE still needs our willing to receive HIM as our Saviour? if it's right then HIS death will be a half success and half failure, because only people who willing to receive Jesus Christ as HIS Saviour will be saved. So it goes this way, Jesus Christ had died for your sin( it makes you clean), but you don't wanna receive HIM as your Saviour, so you remain unsaved. Aren't this a vanity? Sorry if my word are little rude. If Jesus Christ had died only for HIS chosen people, than HIS death is 100 % success,because HE will draw all HIS chosen people (by HOLY SPIRIT calls) to receive HIM in faith as their GOD and Saviour.
GOD loves you all.

How can you talk about only the "chosen" people and then end the post with "God loves you all."?
That sounds like a contradiction.

[Shylynne]

1Co 15:50  Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51  Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52  In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53  For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.
1Co 15:54  So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55  O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?
1Co 15:56  The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.
1Co 15:57  But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 15:58  Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

1Co 15:26  The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death.

[Shylynne]

If Jesus Christ had died for the sin of the world, then why does HE still needs our willing to receive HIM as our Saviour?

Because Jesus said so, and His gift of salvation is for WHOSOEVER WILL.

Joh 1:12  But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:

Rev 22:17  And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

[Raphu]

Thank you Heidi for your explanation. if Jesus Christ had died for the sin of the world, then why does HE still needs our willing to receive HIM as our Saviour? if it's right then HIS death will be a half success and half failure, because only people who willing to receive Jesus Christ as HIS Saviour will be saved. So it goes this way, Jesus Christ had died for your sin( it makes you clean), but you don't wanna receive HIM as your Saviour, so you remain unsaved. Aren't this a vanity? Sorry if my word are little rude. If Jesus Christ had died only for HIS chosen people, than HIS death is 100 % success,because HE will draw all HIS chosen people (by HOLY SPIRIT calls) to receive HIM in faith as their GOD and Saviour.
GOD loves you all.

Yes, God will not lose any that come through Jesus to Him.

Joh 10:29  My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Joh 6:37  All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Because Jesus died for the sins of all mankind does not mean that all men will respond to the call of the Holy Spirit. Not all that are called are chosen, but as many as want to taste the free gift, He bids them to come and sojourn with His people.

Mat 22:14  For many are called, but few are chosen.

Rev 22:17  And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Ony God stands outside of time and sees those that will come to Him and has the power and right to speak of His chosen. We do not have this power to see begining to end, but He is well able to speak of His elect and know who they are even when they were in their mother's womb.

Psalms 22:10  I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother’s belly.

[me]

sorry if i made some misunderstanding justme. what i mean with "GOD loves you all" are refer to you and all fellow friends in Jesus Christ, whom i believe are the "chosen people" of GOD. HIS love for us (HIS children) are exclusive and private. Yes, HE also love all people in the world (this time i mean alllllll the people that includes the people outside christianity) but, it's better that we call it generosity. GOD gives rain to everybody in the world, doesnt matter if you are some saints or the most crooked man in the world. But, the gift of salvation are only to a few people. please correct me, if i have any thought that against the Bible. and by the way, i fell that  our discussions has change from sin to predestination.GBU

[Raphu]

sorry if i made some misunderstanding justme. what i mean with "GOD loves you all" are refer to you and all fellow friends in Jesus Christ, whom i believe are the "chosen people" of GOD. HIS love for us (HIS children) are exclusive and private. Yes, HE also love all people in the world (this time i mean alllllll the people that includes the people outside christianity) but, it's better that we call it generosity. GOD gives rain to everybody in the world, doesnt matter if you are some saints or the most crooked man in the world. But, the gift of salvation are only to a few people. please correct me, if i have any thought that against the Bible. and by the way, i fell that  our discussions has change from sin to predestination.GBU

I guess I don't understand ?? When speaking of the chosen, it indirectly speaks of predestination, but I don't believe that the gift of salvation is closed off to any man because God knows the chosen by His omniscience. Each person remains responsible for the life and choices they make.
God bless....

[Shylynne]

HIS love for us (HIS children) are exclusive and private. Yes, HE also love all people in the world (this time i mean alllllll the people that includes the people outside christianity) but, it's better that we call it generosity. But, the gift of salvation are only to a few people. please correct me, if i have any thought that against the Bible.

WRONG WRONG WRONG!  

Joh 3:16  For GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

It is better we not try to change the Word as it is written.

[Sower]

Thank you Heidi for your explanation. if Jesus Christ had died for the sin of the world, then why does HE still needs our willing to receive HIM as our Saviour?

The answer is found in Gen. 1:26,27. God created men and angels as free moral agents, and His purpose was to see these creatures come to love Him and trust Him without compulsion or coercion.  Therefore each and every sinner must RESPOND to the Gospel -- must believe, repent, and receive Christ as Lord and Saviour. God has done everthing for our eternal redemption.  We must believe that this is so, and respond as though our eternal well-being depended on it [which it does].

if it's right then HIS death will be a half success and half failure, because only people who willing to receive Jesus Christ as HIS Saviour will be saved.

God does not think as man does, and success and failure are not in His vocabulary. God will be eternally glorified for His plan of salvation, and there will be countless millions of the redeemed. But none will be there against his will, and none will be there through coercion or complusion.

So it goes this way, Jesus Christ had died for your sin( it makes you clean), but you don't wanna receive HIM as your Saviour, so you remain unsaved. Aren't this a vanity?

That will be true for many: "He came unto His own, and His own received Him not... And this is the condemnation that light is come into the world and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil" (Jn. 1:11; 3:19).

If Jesus Christ had died only for HIS chosen people, than HIS death is 100 % success,because HE will draw all HIS chosen people (by HOLY SPIRIT calls) to receive HIM in faith as their GOD and Saviour.

Fortunately, the Scriptures do not teach that He died only for His chosen people: "Behold the Lamb of God, that TAKETH AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD" (Jn. 1:29,36).  Christ died for all humanity, and took upon Himself the sins of the whole world (1 Jn. 2:2). It is only Calvinists who try to limit God's grace and the atoning work of Christ. The Bible teaches no such thing.

[Heidi]

Shylynne,
I explained in this thread or another thread about the free will issue. It was a long explanation and i don't want to re-write. The upshot of it is; "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him." "You did not choose me, I chose you." "We are slaves to whatever masters us." "Yet i tell you not one of them (sparrows) falls to the ground without the will of my Father." "God hardens whom He wants to harden and has mercy on whom He wants to have mercy." Now you tell me, who is that Master of the universe? God or us?

[Shylynne]

hmmm... Heidi, but I think we are saying  the same thing... if your referring to your earlier post on this thread...i`m not sure why you addressed me lol...*gulps more coffee*

[Raphu]

Shylynne,
I explained in this thread or another thread about the free will issue. It was a long explanation and i don't want to re-write. The upshot of it is; "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him." "You did not choose me, I chose you." "We are slaves to whatever masters us." "Yet i tell you not one of them (sparrows) falls to the ground without the will of my Father." "God hardens whom He wants to harden and has mercy on whom He wants to have mercy." Now you tell me, who is that Master of the universe? God or us?

God hardens the heart already proud and set against Him and uses that evil to bring about good for those that love Him. God knows the wicked from their birth and can use them to bring about His glory and will. All things work together for good, to those that love God and are the called, according to His purpose. Romans 8:28

Yes, God is master and we are not. He is love and perfect in His justice and mercy.

Psalms 58:3  The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

[Heidi]

You know, I'm really glad you said that, Raphu. My husband and I talk about that a lot...when we are chosen. He said somethint about being knitted in the womb. Do you know that passage? I can't find it.