IS THE OLD COVEANAT STILL BEING USED TODAY ?

[dan p]

Hi to all  many say that the  LAW OPF  MOSES  has been set  aside .

 #1 Many  quote  Paul in  Col  2:14  and  2 Cor 3:14  that prove that !
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 #3 I say that the OLD  LAW  can still save  Jews  TODAY ?

 # 4 And I say , that this  is the  DISPENSATION  of  GRACE ?

 #5  I say that these 2  PROGRAMS  are  RUNNING  at the  same  TIME !!

 What say you ?

 dan p

[Soldier4Christ]

The book of Romans gives us this answer (especially chapters 9-11).

[dan p]

The book of Romans gives us this answer (especially chapters 9-11).

Hi and  from  2 Cor  13:13 , for Israel not to  gaze towards the end of that being  ABOLISHED !!

 But in verse 15 ,  BUT UNTIL THIS  DAY ,  when  Moses is being  read  ,  a  COVERING lies  upon their  heart .

 Verse  16 reads ,  BUT  WHEN   HE OR  SHE  should  turn towards the  LORD , the  covering is  BEING  TAKEN  AWAY !!

 So here we see that  when  HE  or  SHE  turns to the  LORD  they will be  saved  !!

 Verse 18 is very  TELLING  and why I see 2  programs  RUNNING   AT  THE  SAME  TIME !!

 dan p

[Shammu]

The entire Torah Law is still entirely applicable to Christians; not for salvation, but rather for simple obedience. This interpretation stems primarily from the New Testament affirmation that Jesus Christ was sinless in every way (Hebrews 4:15), sin is defined by the Torah (1 John 3:4), and that Jesus' followers, both Jew and Gentile, are admonished to imitate Him in every way (1 John 2:6). the entire Torah Law is still entirely applicable to Christians; not for salvation, but rather for simple obedience. This interpretation stems primarily from the New Testament affirmation that Jesus Christ was sinless in every way (Hebrews 4:15), sin is defined by the Torah (1 John 3:4), and that Jesus' followers, both Jew and Gentile, are admonished to imitate Him in every way (1 John 2:6).
 

[Soldier4Christ]

There is but one Gospel, one and only one way to heaven and that has been true from the beginning. It is by faith and not that of works and that includes the works of the law. To say that there are two programs is to say that there are two Gospels, that there are two ways to heaven. We are told without a doubt that there is one and only one way to heaven and that is through Faith in and through Jesus Christ. Scriptures tells us that those from the very beginning were saved by faith, faith in the hopes of things to come (the Gospel being fulfilled), not of the works and that includes the works of the law. 

[Shammu]

Dan, Soldier4Christ posted a devotional you should read.

http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?topic=9609.msg318099#msg318099

[dan p]

There is but one Gospel, one and only one way to heaven and that has been true from the beginning. It is by faith and not that of works and that includes the works of the law. To say that there are two programs is to say that there are two Gospels, that there are two ways to heaven. We are told without a doubt that there is one and only one way to heaven and that is through Faith in and through Jesus Christ. Scriptures tells us that those from the very beginning were saved by faith, faith in the hopes of things to come (the Gospel being fulfilled), not of the works and that includes the works of the law. 

Hi S FOR  C  and where did that  GOSPEL  begin in the  OT ?

So how was  Adam then  saved ?

dan p

[Soldier4Christ]

Hi S FOR  C  and where did that  GOSPEL  begin in the  OT ?

So how was  Adam then  saved ?

dan p

That is definitely a good example. How was anyone saved before the covenant? Why were some under the covenant that were not saved? Why were some that adhered to follow the laws that were not saved? All through scripture from Genesis to Revelations God's word speaks of the importance of faith not works. It tells us in numerous places that we are dead in works yet are righteous through faith in God. It gives example after example of how mankind fails to be righteous through works starting with Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve showed that by works alone they failed in righteousness and were punished accordingly by being thrown out of the garden and thereafter having to face hardships and trials. Starting with Adam and Eve all the way through today salvation is by the grace of God through faith in Him.

Hebrew 11

[dan p]

That is definitely a good example. How was anyone saved before the covenant? Why were some under the covenant that were not saved? Why were some that adhered to follow the laws that were not saved? All through scripture from Genesis to Revelations God's word speaks of the importance of faith not works. It tells us in numerous places that we are dead in works yet are righteous through faith in God. It gives example after example of how mankind fails to be righteous through works starting with Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve showed that by works alone they failed in righteousness and were punished accordingly by being thrown out of the garden and thereafter having to face hardships and trials. Starting with Adam and Eve all the way through today salvation is by the grace of God through faith in Him.

Hebrew 11

 Hi  S FOR  CHRIST ,  so then explain how  Adam was saved >

 #1  Adam walked  BY  SIGHT and  Gen 3:8  proves that he  WALKED  by  SIGHT as he walked in the  garden with  CHRIST !

#2 Gen 3:21  shows that  that Christ SPILLED  BLOOD  for  Adam and  Eve !

#3  And then  CHRIST  made  skins to  cover them !

#4  In Gen 3:7  they made and sewed  FIG  LEAVES  to cover their  SIN !

#5  This is where the   BLOOD  SACRIFICE of  WORKS  began , called  ATONEMENT  !!

 #6  ATONEMENT  was part of the  LAW !

 #7 By the  way , Gen 3:21 is in the  Hebew  IMPERFECT  TENSE  and means that ATONEMENT would STOP  and it  stoped  at the  CROSS !

 #8 Heb 9:15  show that those  ATONEMENT  SINS  had to be  PAID  FOR !


dan p

[Soldier4Christ]

Again I refer to Hebrews this time chapter 10 verse 1 - 6.  The spilling of animal blood did not save anyone. It was only a "SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME". It was by faith. Yes, Adam walked by sight with God yet knowing God he failed in faith, disbelieving God, when he disobeyed God and was punished in that failure. It was not the spilling of animal blood that saved anyone as we are very clearly shown in Hebrews but rather in their faith in God and in the things not yet seen (the saving actions of Jesus Christ).

[Soldier4Christ]

We can also look at another example that shows this in the story of Abraham and his only son Isaac when God told him to go to the region of Moriah and sacrifice Isaac as a burnt offering. God did not require Abraham to go through with it. Why? Yes, it was again a shadow of things to come, the showing of the sacrifice that God would one day make. However it was also because it was not the spilling of blood or the burning of the sacrifice but the fact that Abraham believed in God's word. Abraham had enough faith in God to be willing to do what He said.

Ephesians 2:8

[dan p]

Again I refer to Hebrews this time chapter 10 verse 1 - 6.  The spilling of animal blood did not save anyone. It was only a "SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME". It was by faith. Yes, Adam walked by sight with God yet knowing God he failed in faith, disbelieving God, when he disobeyed God and was punished in that failure. It was not the spilling of animal blood that saved anyone as we are very clearly shown in Hebrews but rather in their faith in God and in the things not yet seen (the saving actions of Jesus Christ).

Hi  S F C  , and all Jews  who practiced ATONEMENT ,  had there sins  FORGIVENEN  ans the  HIGH  PRIEST  had  scrifice and  animal for  Israel  ONCE A YEAR !!

 If  Adam  FAILED  IN  FAITH  , why did Christ  kill and and spill blood in Gen 3:21 for  Adam and  Eve  and then  cover Adam and  Eve with their  SKINS   which is a  picture of CHRIST  DEATH !!

dan p