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« on: March 11, 2019, 08:31:15 PM » |
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Hi to all and am on other Christian Forums and some believe that Paul did WATER BAPTIZED !!
I say Paul never WATER BAPTIZED , so what say you ??
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« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2019, 02:41:25 PM » |
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Hi and IF you believe that Paul BAPTIZED , will you explain 1 Cor 15:29 what BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD , means !!
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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2020, 07:23:48 PM » |
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Hi to all and am on other Christian Forums and some believe that Paul did WATER BAPTIZED !!
I say Paul never WATER BAPTIZED , so what say you ??
dan p
Hi and the answer is found in 1 Cor 1:15 , Lest anyone should SAY that I Baptized for my NAME !! The Greek word for NAME / ONOMA is in the Greek ACCUSATIVE CASE and means Paul had to ORIGINATE WATER BAPTISM , which Paul nevermdid water Baptize !! The Greek word MY is EMPHATIC which means he did NOT WATER BAPTIZE !! All baptisms were were in the nbame of the FATHER , THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT , Matt 28: 19 or in the NAME of the LORD JESUS , Acts 19: 5 and notice that the word NAME is in the ACCUSATIVE CASE and means it is LIMITED to only God's NAME !! dan p
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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2020, 08:27:48 AM » |
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1 Cor 14 I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so no one can say that you were baptized in my name.
Let us put this in a more clearer manner. Paul is speaking to them about a division among this group as to who they follow because of who baptized them. We cannot say that Paul "never water baptized" as it clearly said that he baptized Crispus and Gaius of those that he was currently speaking to indicating that he could have water baptized others that were not there. However he is saying that he did not bapitize "in my name" but rather in the Name of the Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit and therefore all should be saying that they are followers of Jesus Christ and not “I follow Paul”, “I follow Apollos”, or “I follow Cephas".
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Joh 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2020, 02:39:33 PM » |
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1 Cor 14 I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so no one can say that you were baptized in my name.
Let us put this in a more clearer manner. Paul is speaking to them about a division among this group as to who they follow because of who baptized them. We cannot say that Paul "never water baptized" as it clearly said that he baptized Crispus and Gaius of those that he was currently speaking to indicating that he could have water baptized others that were not there. However he is saying that he did not bapitize "in my name" but rather in the Name of the Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit and therefore all should be saying that they are followers of Jesus Christ and not “I follow Paul”, “I follow Apollos”, or “I follow Cephas". [/
Hi S F C and lets begin with 1 Cor 11:1 and there are more verses than just this one !! You become FOLLOWERS /IMITATOR is in the Greek PRESENT TENSE and also in the IMPERATIVE MOOD of command , be IMITATORS of me Paul for the B O C ! And by the way , YE IMITATORS is in the NOMINATIVE CASE is the subject of of this Greek word !!
#2 , The Greek word OF ME / MOV is in the GENTIVE CASE is the description of the head noun !!
#3, The Geek word I ALSO / KAGO is also in also the CASE OF THE SUBJECT !!
#4 The Greek word AM OF CHRIST / CHRISTOS is in the GENITIVE CASE is the Description and you can google all these CASE !
And will shortly explain CRISPUS and if you study Acts 18:7 and 8 gives a clear explanation !!
Look at Eph 4:4 One Lord , One Faith , ONE BAPTISM , see the Greek text and you will find that Greek word is NOT BAPTIZO / BAPTISM but the Greek word BAPTISMA !!
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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2020, 09:18:05 AM » |
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BAPTIZO vs BAPTISMA One is a verb and the other a noun. Both words were used by Jesus when He was discussing the baptism of the Holy Spirit and both have been used by the Greeks as in the dipping of bread or vegetables in a broth or in people dunking in water. Baptism in water is not done as a saving action. It is done as in a public declaration. Again, in the verse I gave it was clear that Paul was talking about the baptism in water not that of the Holy Spirit which the latter can only be done by the Holy Spirit. Therefore only a baptism in water might be done in some man's name and not in that of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit alone.
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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2020, 08:01:38 PM » |
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1 Cor 14 I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so no one can say that you were baptized in my name.
Let us put this in a more clearer manner. Paul is speaking to them about a division among this group as to who they follow because of who baptized them. We cannot say that Paul "never water baptized" as it clearly said that he baptized Crispus and Gaius of those that he was currently speaking to indicating that he could have water baptized others that were not there. However he is saying that he did not bapitize "in my name" but rather in the Name of the Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit and therefore all should be saying that they are followers of Jesus Christ and not “I follow Paul”, “I follow Apollos”, or “I follow Cephas".
Hi and this is how 1 Cor 1:15 is written and should check the Greek text !! #1, The Greek word ANY / TIS is in the NOMERATIVE CASE of the subject , IF ANY should say !! #2 , SHOULD SAY / EPION is controlled by the SUJECTIVE MOOD that some SHOULD SAY , I had baptized !! #3 The Greek words I HAD BAPTIZED / BAPTIZO is in Greek AORIST Tense , ACTIVE VOICE , and in the INDICATIVE MOOD !! The AORIST tense means that if some one had , he had BAPTIZED . tha he had BAPTIZED IN THE PAST , is not true and the INDICATIVE MOOD is what said is a FACT that he did not baptize in PAST TIME !! #4 , The Greek words MINE OWN / EMOS is in the ACCUASTIVE CASE is in the DIRECT OBJECT that ir is not true !! #5 The Greek word m NAME / ONOMA is also in the ACCUSATIVE CASE and that he is not the DIRECT OBJECT of doing water BAPTISMS !! Use Blue letter bible or Bible Hub to check !! Check Acts 19:4 and 6 ! Acts 19:4 uses mthe Greek word BAPTIZO and followed bybthe Greek word BAPTIMA in that same verse !! In Acts 19:3 it uses both Greek words BAPTIZO and BAPTISMA , WHY ?? In Acts 19:6 HOW DID PAUL BAPTIZE andmwhy isnthe Greek ARTICLE ( THE ) not in the Greek Text ?? dan p
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2020, 08:42:56 AM » |
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All that time spent. As if water baptism, which is simply a declaration of ones faith, were something that would have been a sin if Paul did. Time that would better be put toward peoples salvation instead of arguing the Word.
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Joh 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2020, 09:30:04 AM » |
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All that time spent. As if water baptism, which is simply a declaration of ones faith, were something that would have been a sin if Paul did. Time that would better be put toward peoples salvation instead of arguing the Word.
Amen and Amen again brother After Dan last "debate" I didn't want to get involved because the Bible says what it literally means and that type of debate, wastes time
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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2020, 01:50:16 PM » |
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All that time spent. As if water baptism, which is simply a declaration of ones faith, were something that would have been a sin if Paul did. Time that would better be put toward peoples salvation instead of arguing the Word.
Hi and why will you say about Eph 4:5 ? There are 3 ONE / HEIS !! #1 One LORD ! #2 One FIATH ! #3 , One BAPTISM !! And since there is only ONE FAITH , which one FAITH are you talking ABOUT ? \ And since there is ONLY ONE BAPTIMA , which one are you all promoting ? The one BAPTIZED in Acts 2:38 ? Or will you say that the one BAPTISM in 1 Cor 10:2 ? Or how will you all explain Acts 19:4 where the Greek words BAPTIZO and BAPTISMA are used in the same verse ? Does ONE / HEIS mean ONE ?? dan p
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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2020, 09:55:48 AM » |
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Amen and Amen again brother After Dan last "debate" I didn't want to get involved because the Bible says what it literally means and that type of debate, wastes time
Exactly.
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Joh 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
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« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2020, 01:43:14 PM » |
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Hi and why not debate just one verse in 1 Cor 10:2 ?
Who was the BAPTIZER in 1 Cor 10:2 ??
If there is ONLY ONE/HEIS BAPTISM and if Adam was saved , was Adam Baptized IF Adam was saved ?
O WELL !!
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2020, 04:28:24 AM » |
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Dan, the time you want to debate can better be spent working for Jesus
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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2020, 01:48:38 PM » |
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Dan, the time you want to debate can better be spent working for Jesus
Hi and is this NOT a debate section , Shammu ? How do you know what I am not working for Jesus ? I believe that I am brought an important subject that needs debate and that others who read , can decide for themselves !! dan p
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« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2020, 09:03:07 AM » |
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Hi and is this NOT a debate section , Shammu ?
How do you know what I am not working for Jesus ?
I believe that I am brought an important subject that needs debate and that others who read , can decide for themselves !!
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All we see you do here is to debate one subject or another. Never anything else.
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