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« on: July 08, 2011, 09:28:08 PM »

The seperation of the Sheep and Goat Judgement are not the Bride but are those who survived Daniels 70th week after the pre-trib rapture had occurred.
These are judged by how they had treated their brother.
These are not saved by Grace,..but by their works of faith.
And besides,..if a rapture of all the dead and alive in Christ Jesus occurred moments before the Lord descended on Mount olivet,...then you have to explain why the Sheep and Goat Judgement even occurred at all, moments prior to the beginning of the Millennium....and then you have to explain why the dead in revelation 20;4 were not raptured too.
Only a pre-trib scenario fits the bill.


SOooo,...they were eating and drinking and marrying and giving in marriage.

So what were they drinking just prior to the Lord making His appearance?....The Answer of course would have to be ..."BLOOD!"
Maybe Some hard up guy will marry Susan who has a big pocket of puss on the tip of her nose,..not to mention the strong possibility of boils too extremely painful on their private parts?
The sun so hot that nothing electrical works like air conditioning...actually so hot that man is screaming blasphemies up at God.......Eating and drinking and marrying and giving in marriage,....."I THINK NOT!"
Only the Pre-trib scenario fits the bill.
There is no point in planting or tending to crops.
1. Rev 16:2 – The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the land, and ugly and painful sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped his image.

The first plague is the outpouring of painful boils. Remember Job’s boils – huge, tender, inflamed, puss oozing sores – all over his body? These sores will befall every person who receives the mark of the beast. There are two great ironies here. First, many people will receive the mark of the beast thinking that they can avoid further suffering, but the first bowl inflicts a suffering on them that is beyond description! Everyone who worships "the devil and receives his mark" will receive the first bowl! There will be no escape from the first bowl. Painful boils will cause the wicked to writhe in relentless pain and this is the second irony. When the first bowl is poured out on the wicked, they will be engaged in an intense campaign to find and kill the few saints of God who remain alive. The first bowl painfully interrupts their plans. Evil men and women, covered with boils from head to foot will not be able to stand or sit, much less chase after a few saints who are hiding in remote places.

2. Rev 16:3 – The second angel poured out his bowl on the sea, and it turned into blood like that of a dead man, and every living thing in the sea died.

The second bowl is awesome. Every living thing in the oceans of the world dies. I can think of a three-fold possibility why God would pour out His wrath on the oceans of the world. First, the oceans are Earth’s source of fresh water. The Sun evaporates millions of square miles of ocean water each day. This sterile vapor rises and becomes clouds. Winds move the clouds over land and distilled water falls in the form of rain as condensation occurs. By turning the sea into a substance like the clotted blood of a dead man, there will be no more rain. Earth itself will die without this regular cycle of water. Earth is doomed, the stench of death and decay will be everywhere. Second, because a third of the trees and all of the green grass (including crops) were burned up during the first trumpet, seafood will likely become a main source of food during the Great Tribulation. If so, the destruction of everything that lives in the oceans means total famine. Again, life on this planet is doomed beyond recovery. Last, two-thirds of the world’s population lives near an ocean. When the wicked behold this awesome judgment, you would think that some will question the powers of their God. This silent plague speaks with deafening authority. It says, "The glorious and majestic being which you worship is not God. He can not protect you. He can not prevent the destruction of Earth."

3. Rev 16:4 – The third angel poured out his bowl on the rivers and springs of water, and they became blood. Then I heard the angel in charge of the waters say: ‘You are just in these judgments, you who are and who were, the Holy One, because you have so judged; for they have shed the blood of your saints and prophets, and you have given them blood to drink as they deserve.’ And I heard the altar respond: ‘Yes, Lord God Almighty, true and just are your judgments.’

The third bowl will force people having the mark of the beast into a sickly spiral that ultimately leads to an agonizing death. There will be no recovery from this plague. Human beings cannot go very long without water. Everywhere the wicked look for water, but find blood instead. Picture this if you can. Millions of thirst-driven people drinking blood in order to survive! It’s a repugnant thought, but it is a true picture. Helpless people will turn to their God, the Antichrist, for miraculous help, but none will come. Lucifer will be powerless to turn the blood into water. Jesus will not have mercy upon these demon possessed people. Every wicked person was given a lengthy chance to know God’s will and worship Him. However, they willfully aligned themselves with the forces of evil; therefore, they must suffer the consequence. The angel that delivers this horrible judgment declares God to be fair for giving blood-thirsty people blood to drink! Even the martyred souls under the altar agree saying, "True and just are your judgments." (Of course, martyred souls don’t actually talk, but personification allows their innocent blood to cry out for justice as did Abel’s blood. Genesis 4:10)

4. Rev 16:8,9 –The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was given power to scorch people with fire. They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him."

The misery index is climbing fast and the wicked people on Earth are struggling in a great quandary. Why doesn’t our God (actually, the Antichrist) stop this? They reason, "Our God can do anything! He even called fire down from the sky, therefore, he must immediately stop these awful judgments!" Then, the fourth bowl is poured out. Is it possible that the fourth bowl will be caused by a catastrophic solar flare from the Sun or perhaps a very brilliant gamma-ray burst coming from the direction of the Sun? Either way, the net effect is intense, searing heat. Think about this plague for a moment. If the ambient temperature stays above 150 degrees for several days, what would be the effect? There will be no electricity on Earth at this time since Earth was badly broken up when the seventh trumpet occurred. (Revelation 11:19) So, there will be no mechanical relief from the heat. Furthermore, all of the oceans and rivers smell like blood. Billions of dead sea creatures have washed up on the shores. There is no water to drink, only blood which smells so badly it causes people to vomit.
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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2011, 09:30:25 PM »

The Saints of the Most High during Daniels 70th week are not the Bride,..but are those who came to Christ Jesus after the Pre-trib rapture had occurred.
The 24 elders represent the bride in heaven "BEFORE" Daniels 70th week begins.
LOL...Have you ever wondered why revelation 13;9 does not have the added Words..."What the Spirit says to the churches".....It's because the Bride is in heaven.


Dan 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;


These are those who are left behind in the Pre-trib rapture that came to Jesus afterward.
The antichrist cannot prevail against the Bride fore the Holy Spirit indwells each believer.
1.Greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world.
2.The devils believe that Jesus is Lord and they tremble!
3.Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven:
and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. ...
4.And the Lord said, "If you had faith like a mustard seed, you would say to this
mulberry tree, 'Be uprooted and be planted in the sea'; and it would obey you. ...
5.And upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it!
Again!..."Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Now try to imagine,......The Bride of Jesus Christ had just wittnessed with their own eyes,....a 7 year covenant had been confirmed between the anti-christ and Israel!
The Brides faith, which today seems to be smaller than a mustard seed,...would be transformed overnite into a faith larger than a mountain!
You would have millions of super Billy Grahams running loose on the earth!
Well,....Today,the anti-christ or the false prophet cannot perform one miracle,or take center stage, until the Bride has been caught up out of this world!!!
He is no match for us today and absolutely would not be any match to a Bride who had just wittnessed a 7 year covenant confirmed between Israel and the anti-christ.
We know that the holy spirit is omnipresent and was present before the creation of the world.
The old testament saints,..where worthy of heaven when they had lived and died in faith.Their works followed them.King David cried out that the Holy Spirit would not be taken from him when he had committed adultery.Under the Mosiac Law,....if you committed one sin,...then it was like committing them all.
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
The comforter is the Holy Spirit, but yet keep in mind that the Holy spirit is omnipresent.
This means that the Holy Spirit(Comforter)had a special task to do on earth!
And on the day of Pentecost,...The church age was born!
Each person who comes to the cross of calvary and ask's the Lord into their heart,...the Holy Spirit seals them with the promise.
And when the Comforter 's task is completed on this earth,...The Bride which hinders the revealing of the son of perdition,....is taken out of the way.
The church age will be over,the bride caught up into the air to meet the Lord.
The Holy spirit is still omnipresent,...and those who were left behind will have one of the greatest incentives the world has ever wittnessed to come to Christ Jesus...THE RAPTURE!.
But things will revert back to the way it was before the church age had began on the day of Pentecost.
The Lord makes it clear that during the Great Tribulation,the Martyred Tribulation Saints will be a multitude that no man could number. Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit,
that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
There will be some trib saints that will survive the Great Tribulation.
They will be allowed into the millenium based on their works of faith.
For just as the body without the spirit is dead,
so also faith without works is dead. ...
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2011, 05:25:59 PM »

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And on the day of Pentecost,...The church age was born!
Each person who comes to the cross of calvary and ask's the Lord into their heart,...the Holy Spirit seals them with the promise.
And when the Comforter 's task is completed on this earth,...The Bride which hinders the revealing of the son of perdition,....is taken out of the way.
The church age will be over,the bride caught up into the air to meet the Lord.

Amen! I appreciate your posts, and I see there is considerable interest because of the number of readers. These issues are timely because I think the end of this Age of Grace is drawing near. I'm copying your posts for additional study, and I hope that others do also. Obviously, there is an urgency for the lost to hear God's Word and accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour. May God soften the hearts of the lost for the hearing of His Word.

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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2011, 01:43:14 PM »

Satan, the fallen angels, and those under his power have been persecuting Israel and the saints for many years.  It continues even today.  This is nothing new.  It will get worse when he gets kicked out of heaven......no longer has access. 

It is vital for God's children to understand the difference between Satan's wrath and God's wrath.  Just as in the time of the king of Egypt.......God's wrath cannot be duplicated by Satan or man. 

See Rev. 12: 7-17


Verse 13 onwards:  "Now when the dragon (satan) saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman (Israel) who gave birth to the male Child (Christ).  But the woman (Israel: a remnant preserved) was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent (the final 3.5 years of the 70th week)."

"So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood.  But the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth."

"And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring (the gentile Christians grafted into the natural branch;  see Romans Chps 9--11), who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."


Do not explain this away as just new believers in Christ.......i.e. "tribulation saints."


There will be no tribulation saints as the door to salvation will be shut after the man of evil comes on the scene.  Those who have denied Christ will be turned over to their disbelief........and God will send forth a delusion upon the earth.  This will be similar to how he hardened Pharaoh's heart. 


"The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the live of the truth, that they might be saved.

"And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness." 


God has not appointed us to wrath.......namely His wrath.  This is clearly indicated as about to begin at the 6th Seal.  The whole world goes dark for an unspecified amount of time.  The great ones of the earth hide in fear in the mountains. 

They say to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 

"For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand."   (Sixth Seal Rev. 6: 12-17_


The Day of the Lord is much longer than a human 24 hour day.  In fact, it encompasses all of the 7th Seal (approx. one to two years) and all of the 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom until the Lord burns up the earth and creates a new one.  It is referred to in 2 Peter 3: 10-13.

God does not seal the 144,000 of Israel from harm prior to the First Seal.......but just prior to the 7th Seal.  That is because the First Seal is not God's wrath.........nor the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, or 6th.  After the 144,000 are sealed from harm, a great multitude which no one can number from all the nations is discussed in heaven.  They can wear robes and have palm branches in their hands.  These are the Gentile Christians who have been caught up to heaven by angels just prior to God's wrath (7th Seal). 


Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy was given to Daniel in response to his prayer and intercession for his people Israel.  He wanted to know how long the punishment would last.........how long God would hide His face from them.

Revelations was given by Christ to John for the Church as indicated in chapter 1 and is closely followed by warnings from Christ to the seven churches in the first three chapters. 


3rd Seal:   day's wages for a loaf of bread.
4th Seal:   25% of the population of the world perishes.
5th Seal:   persecution of first Israel and then the Gentile believers in Christ
6th Seal:   the world goes black for an unspecified amount of time;  God's wrath will begin soon
7th Seal:   God's wrath;   the fifth trumpet judgment by itself will last five months.
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You Quote:
And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring (the gentile Christians grafted into the natural branch;  see Romans Chps 9--11), who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

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It seems that you are suggesting that the Trib saiants are the Bride.That cannot be because the Bride was caught up prior to the Day of the Lord.
Many people, Jews and Gentiles, will be saved on the earth during the seven year Tribulation. God's purpose in bringing the seven year Tribulation on earth is to fulfill His promises to Israel and purge the earth prior to His setting up the Millennial Kingdom. God will be once again working with the Jews and the Nation of Israel. Matthew 24:20 specifically states that those who are fleeing the persecution of the Antichrist should pray it will not be on the Sabbath. Christians in this age are not under the Mosaic law and do not keep the Sabbath.


"But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day" (Matthew 24:20)
           Exodus 31:17 states that the Sabbath was a special everlasting sign between God and Israel. The Bible does not instruct us to keep the Sabbath which was given to Israel as a remembrance of their deliverance from Egypt. Without question it was a Jewish feast who to this day continue to keep the Sabbath. The primary focus of events of the seven year Tribulation are directed towards Israel and the coming promised Kingdom of the Messiah Jesus Christ. Church Age saints are not in view here anywhere in the seven year Tribulation.

those who enter Daniels 70th week and come to Jesus During those days,...Their salvation is conditional,...they must endure unto the end, and the same shall be saved.These are saved by faith that must be evidenced by their works of faith,...meaning that these were not saved by grace,...that these were not sealed of the Holy Spirit of promise when they first believed.
The reason why is because the Comforter no longer functions the same way as He did during the Church age,..Fore He was taken out of the way,..and since it is that the Holy spirit Indwells believers in the Church age,...then they too were caught up!(Taken out of the way)
The Holy Spirit did not indwell believers prior to the Day of Pentecost,..and as we can see,..the Holy Spirit will not be indwelling those who are left behind when the Rapture occurs.

You Quote:

God has not appointed us to wrath.......namely His wrath.  This is clearly indicated as about to begin at the 6th Seal.  The whole world goes dark for an unspecified amount of time.  The great ones of the earth hide in fear in the mountains. 

They say to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 

"For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand."   (Sixth Seal Rev. 6: 12-17_


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There are reasons for concluding that the cosmic disturbances related to the beginning of the Joel 3 Day of the Lord and the Second Coming of Christ immediately after the Great Tribulation are not the same as those of the sixth seal. First, the cosmic disturbances of Joel 3 will occur when the armies of the nations have gathered for war in Israel. Those armies will not begin to gather for war until the sixth bowl has been poured out (Rev. 16:12-16+), long after the sixth seal—one seal, seven trumpets, and five bowls after the cosmic disturbances of the sixth seal. . . . other cosmic disturbances will occur after those of the sixth seal. A third of the sun, moon, and stars will be darkened by the fourth trumpet (Rev. 8:12+); the sun will be darkened by smoke from the abyss at the fifth trumpet (Rev. 9:1-2+); the sun will scorch people on the earth with fire and fierce heat when the fourth bowl is poured out (Rev. 16:8-9+). . . . when the cosmic disturbances of the sixth seal take place, kings, military men, and all other classes of people will run to the caves and rocks of the mountains to hide. . . . By contrast, when the cosmic disturbances immediately before the Joel 3 Day of the Lord occur after the sixth bowl, the kings and military men will not run and hide. Rather, they will remain assembled together in battle array to boldly attempt war against God, His Messiah, and the holy angels (Ps. 2:1-3; Joel 3:9-16; Zec. 12:2-9; 14:1-6, 12-14).10
Isaiah tells us that in that day, not before the day, men will hide in holes of the rocks and caves.10 They are hiding from the terror of the LORD when He arises to shake the earth mightily. Their hiding is not anticipatory, but reactionary. In other words, the events of the sixth seal are part of the Day of the Lord.
Those with faith in Christ desire His presence and seek His face. (Ps. 17:15; Pr. 8:7; Isa. 45:19; Isa. 58:2; 65:1; Jer. 29:13; Amos 5:4).

revelation 6;17 is not a description of anticipation.....that would go against scripture.....it is that the Lord comes as a thief in the night to the unbelievers,...and the Bride will not be hiding from the Lord.16They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
Revelation 6:16–17 is a summary statement of all the previous seal judgments.
Revelation 6:15–17 is an overall report of the human response to God’s judgment as administered through all six seal judgments.The controlling verb in verse 17, “is come” (êlthen), “is aorist indicative, referring to a previous arrival of the wrath, not something that is about to take place”

You Quote:
God does not seal the 144,000 of Israel from harm prior to the First Seal.......but just prior to the 7th Seal.  That is because the First Seal is not God's wrath.........nor the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, or 6th.  After the 144,000 are sealed from harm, a great multitude which no one can number from all the nations is discussed in heaven.  They can wear robes and have palm branches in their hands.  These are the Gentile Christians who have been caught up to heaven by angels just prior to God's wrath (7th Seal). 


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The Sealing of the 144,000 I believe is not a sealing of protection.
In revelation 14,..we see the 144,000 in heaven ,and I believe these were martyred for the faith as were all the other saints.
I believe that the great Multitude,...the two witnesses and the 144,000 will witnesses to each other in the first half of Daniels 70th week unobstucted by the antichrist.
Power and authority is only given to the antichrist in the second half of the 70th week.

Revelation 7:3-4 “Do not harm the earth, nor the sea, nor the trees, until we seal the slaves of our God on their foreheads. And I heard the number of those having been sealed: one hundred forty four thousands, having been sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel.” Immediately after the opening of the sixth seal John reports the sealing of “the servants of God”, which numbered 144,000, and all are Jews. He does not say that 144,000 of God’s servants are sealed, he says the servants of God are sealed, and that there are 144,000 of them. Can there be any more believers in the world at this time, except those Jews? Where did we go?
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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2011, 09:42:24 PM »

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Revelation 7:3-4 “Do not harm the earth, nor the sea, nor the trees, until we seal the slaves of our God on their foreheads. And I heard the number of those having been sealed: one hundred forty four thousands, having been sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel.” Immediately after the opening of the sixth seal John reports the sealing of “the servants of God”, which numbered 144,000, and all are Jews. He does not say that 144,000 of God’s servants are sealed, he says the servants of God are sealed, and that there are 144,000 of them. Can there be any more believers in the world at this time, except those Jews? Where did we go?

I fully realize there is agreement and disagreement, but my answer about "Where did we go?" is the RAPTURE. For those who disagree, we can do so kindly and anxiously await His Glorious Appearance. As for me, my mind is already made up, and I suspect that those who disagree also have their minds made up. We'll all have the answer some time soon.
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2011, 10:05:06 PM »

I fully realize there is agreement and disagreement, but my answer about "Where did we go?" is the RAPTURE. For those who disagree, we can do so kindly and anxiously await His Glorious Appearance. As for me, my mind is already made up, and I suspect that those who disagree also have their minds made up. We'll all have the answer some time soon.
Absolutely,...."Where did we go".....one can only come up with one answer.....The reason that the only the 144,000 were "The Only Ones Sealed" at that very moment was because the Bride was already raptured.The Great multitude was the end result of the 144,000 and the two witnesses, who had began their ministry in the first half of Daniels 70th week.

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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2011, 11:03:54 PM »

Israel is back in it's homeland.

If over the next few years, you see bread go to about 100 dollars per loaf........you will know that you are at the 3rd Seal and that the Pre-Trib theory is not correct. 


This is not God's wrath.......but the globalist elites ushering in world chaos to bring about their New World Order.  They will form an alliance with the man of evil. 


God's wrath (7th Seal) is very distinct........and cannot be duplicated by either satan or man. 
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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2011, 01:01:36 PM »

Israel is back in it's homeland.

If over the next few years, you see bread go to about 100 dollars per loaf........you will know that you are at the 3rd Seal and that the Pre-Trib theory is not correct. 


This is not God's wrath.......but the globalist elites ushering in world chaos to bring about their New World Order.  They will form an alliance with the man of evil. 


God's wrath (7th Seal) is very distinct........and cannot be duplicated by either satan or man. 
...........I believe that seals 1 through 6 occur together in a matter of minutes/hours?
About the sixth seal......I believe is broken up into segments.
Revelation 6:12
I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red.

The only place in the bible that matches the scripture is Joel 2;31The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.
(The day of the Lord is the First Half and......The Great and dreadful Day of the Lord Begins at the A.O.D. in which the Lord Jesus distinguishes it from the first half by calling it The Great Tribulation.)

I believe that the Day of the Lord begins with......." and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

15Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”

This Invasion of Russia and The outter ring of islamic nation is what activates the Day of the Lord,..and the beginning result is Ezekiel 38;18 through 20

I believe that the 144,000 are sealed sometimes after the Ezekiel 38 war but not past day 1 of the 7 year covenant.
The work of the 144,000 would cover most of Daniels 70th week but not past the 7th trumpet judgement and before the bowl Judgement,..in which it is too late to make a decision for Jesus once the bowl judgements has started.

When the Ezekiel 38 war comes to pass,..I believe that the antichrist will step forward already having a crown on his head,...in position to confirm the covenant from Day 1........which common sense dictates that a negotiation had been in process days earlier.
There is obviously a gap between the Ezekiel 38 war and the Day 1 confirmation........But I would not venture to say that the gap is weeks,..but most likely only days.
There is a very strong possibility that the 10 kings will take formation after the coming Isaiah 17;1/Psalms 83 war,...which would mean that the antichrist,..would also begin to become noticed by the 10 kings in the political arena.
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2011, 01:03:51 PM »

It seems to me that you are trying to claim that revelation 6;12 through 17 are to occur when the Lord returns to fight at armageddon.
There are too many differences of description in revelation 12-17 and the return of the Lord.
1.The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red
verse the difference of "“‘the sun will be darkened,and the moon will not give its light;(No light=no red appearance)

2.It is obvious the earthquakes from revelation 6;14 are not the same as the earthquake in revelation 16;20
in revelation 6;15Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man ........" 16They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us "
verses the difference of:......"revelation 16;20Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found"
This occurs "Before" the appearance of the Lord returning.

3.15Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”...........verses in comparison of:......."And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army."

4.“Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!(The Father and the Lamb are in view here).........in comparison too:....."revelation 19;11I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”a He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:

king of kings and lord of lords. .................."only the Lord Jesus is in view here as He is returning with His armies"
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