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« on: September 22, 2010, 02:11:07 PM »

Hi to all and we see from the word that the Jews were called to Repent , (  Matt 3:2 )  And saying ,  REPENT ye , for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand .

 And we that it is the Jewish nation that is called to Repentance .

 And , please notice that Baptism includes Repentance ?

 In Acts 19:4 , Then said Paul , John verily Baptized with the Baptism of Repentance .

 How can anyone Repent when Col 2:14 , where it says that we are dead in your sins .

 Then 1 Cor 2:14 says that the " natural man received  NOT  the things of the Spirit of God , for they are foolishness unto to him , neither can he know them , because they are  SPIRITUALLY  DISCERNED .

 Water and repentance were to Israel !!

 Where are we told to repent ??
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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2010, 08:37:22 AM »

Act 26:20  But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2010, 02:40:23 PM »

Act 26:20  But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.


 Hi Pastor Roger , and you think that answers the OP  ?

 And these raises many other questions ;

 #1 , the context is still Jewish , in verse 20 , " but proclaiming first to the ones in DA and  AT  JERUSALEM  . and to all the region of  JUDEA   and to the GENTILES/ETHNOS  to  Repent and to turn unto God , doing  WORKS  , befitting the change of mind ..


 #2 , The Greek word  ETHNOS  , can be translated by the following English words ;
   
 a , Heathen
 b , Jews
 c , nation
 d , Gentile

 #3 , To who was repentance given to ?

 #4 , To the Jews or to the Gentiles Huh   Matt 3:11 Huh

 #5 , Do the Gentiles ,  IF  it means Gentiles in verse 20 , do we have to bring works of Repentance as the Jews did in Matt 3:8 , " Bringforth therefore fruits meet for  REPENTANCE Huh

 #6 , If verse 20 is for us under Grace today ,did those Gentiles/ETHNOS /JEWS ,  become part of the Body of Christ Huh

 #7 , Acts , chapter 26 is a recapitulation of what Paul experienced in Acts 9 !!

 All will have to decide if we have to repent to be saved and please give a verse ??
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2010, 07:12:38 PM »

Act 17:26  And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Act 17:27  That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
Act 17:28  For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Act 17:29  Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Act 17:30  And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act 17:31  Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.


Paul was not speaking just to the Jews in these verses and it specifically tells us that "ALL MEN EVERYWHERE" are to repent not just the Jews. Paul also tells us later in Romans that there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek.
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2010, 01:46:42 PM »

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Paul was not speaking just to the Jews in these verses and it specifically tells us that "ALL MEN EVERYWHERE" are to repent not just the Jews. Paul also tells us later in Romans that there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek.
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 Hi Pastor Roger , and you did not answer the OP , but will comment on these last phrase . 

 #1 , " that there IS no difference between Jews and Gentiles is Pauline theology .

 #2 , And , in the gospels , any Gentile , like Cornelius , became a Jew or Proselyte and  NOT  saved by Grace , as Cornelius was water Baptized .

 #3 , In  Acts 17:13 ,  IF  Paul was preaching the same message as Paul , why are the Jews trying to kill Paul ?

 #4 , And in Acts 17:3 , we see what Paul was preaching to the Jews , Opening and alleging , that CHRIST/MESSIAH  , whom I preach unto you is  MESSIAH .

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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2010, 11:40:38 PM »


 Hi Pastor Roger , and you did not answer the OP , but will comment on these last phrase .

I indeed did give you scripture that answered the question in the OP. Read it again.
 
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#1 , " that there IS no difference between Jews and Gentiles is Pauline theology .

And that is a problem? It is still scripture and does apply.

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#2 , And , in the gospels , any Gentile , like Cornelius , became a Jew or Proselyte and  NOT  saved by Grace , as Cornelius was water Baptized .

This has nothing to do with your original question nor my comments in my last post other than that you are trying to prove that the Jews are all under a different gospel and that has nothing to do with my point on repentance as repentance is clearly for all men as seen in the verses in my last post.

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#3 , In  Acts 17:13 ,  IF  Paul was preaching the same message as Paul , why are the Jews trying to kill Paul ?

You said Paul preaching the same message as Paul. Do you mean the 'same message as Peter'?

Why did the Jews work to kill Jesus? Why did many Jews attempt to turn others back to the old Judaism and away from Jesus as we see in the book of Hebrews?

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#4 , And in Acts 17:3 , we see what Paul was preaching to the Jews , Opening and alleging , that CHRIST/MESSIAH  , whom I preach unto you is  MESSIAH .

Yes in verse 3 Paul was speaking to the Jews but later in the chapter he was speaking also to the Gentiles.

Again, you asked, "Where are we told to repent ??" I answered your question with scripture (Act 17:30). If you refuse to accept that "now commandeth all men every where to repent" means all men everywhere and not just the Jews then there is nothing further for us to discuss here.

The word repent means to feel compunction, to think differently. Do not the Gentiles also need to do so? After all they were following strange gods and idols and as such also sinners that need to feel compunction, to think differently and to turn to Jesus.
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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2010, 02:24:28 PM »

I indeed did give you scripture that answered the question in the OP. Read it again.
 
And that is a problem? It is still scripture and does apply.

This has nothing to do with your original question nor my comments in my last post other than that you are trying to prove that the Jews are all under a different gospel and that has nothing to do with my point on repentance as repentance is clearly for all men as seen in the verses in my last post.

You said Paul preaching the same message as Paul. Do you mean the 'same message as Peter'?

Why did the Jews work to kill Jesus? Why did many Jews attempt to turn others back to the old Judaism and away from Jesus as we see in the book of Hebrews?

Yes in verse 3 Paul was speaking to the Jews but later in the chapter he was speaking also to the Gentiles.

Again, you asked, "Where are we told to repent ??" I answered your question with scripture (Act 17:30). If you refuse to accept that "now commandeth all men every where to repent" means all men everywhere and not just the Jews then there is nothing further for us to discuss here.

The word repent means to feel compunction, to think differently. Do not the Gentiles also need to do so? After all they were following strange gods and idols and as such also sinners that need to feel compunction, to think differently and to turn to Jesus.


 Hi Pastor Roger , and as I have repeated to you in the OP , Jews were called to repentance , linked to water Baptism as Matt 3:2 and Acts 3-4 records. 

 Repentance  is  LINKED  to water  Baptism ,  so then why does not Eph 2:8 ,  Repent and you will be saved by Grace through faith Huh

 In Matt 3: 2 , Israel had to have a  METANOIA / A CHANGE OF MIND  as to their Law that they as Jews were  NOT keeping .

 In Pauline truth , how can the Natural man have a change of mind , when he does not receive the things o0f God and that they are foolishness to him , because they are  SPIRITUALLY  DISCERNED .  There is none that seekth after God .

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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2010, 05:03:15 PM »

Yes, they are indeed spiritually discerned and even the Jews who knew of God had a problem in that as is evidenced in Jesus' teaching of the Pharisees in Mat 23, and again in John 3 with Nicodemus, as well as seen in other scripture.

It also the difficulty that people today have with baptism. Baptism was a "like figure" in that of the washing by the Holy Spirit, a shadow of things to come. Not the washing away of the filth of the flesh. Baptism with earthly water does nothing for anyone except to perhaps make them smell better and to publicly make a declaration to God. It is the spiritual washing of the spirit that cleanses the spirit and the beginning of making it whole.
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2010, 10:36:25 PM »

At one time, 2 Gospels were being preached (Galatians 2:7). Paul was prepared to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Peter and the others in an effort to cause the Jews and the Jewish proselytes to recognize that Christ is the Messiah. We see this from his presentation of the Kingdom Gospel in the verses from Acts 17. But, there came a time (Acts 18:6) when Paul no longer attempted to turn the Jews to repentance, but, instead, went to the Gentiles with the Grace Gospel that God had granted him the privilege to be the first to present. Paul was not ashamed of his presentations of the Kingdom Gospel, however, and faithfully recounted them in Acts 26.
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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2010, 12:43:35 PM »

Hello to all

About this matter of repentance, Jesus the Christ in Luke's account of the great commission said "Thus is is written, and thus it behoved Crist to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:  And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among  all nations, beginning at Jerusalem, and ye are witnesses of these things." (Luke 24:47).  I understand "all" to mean "all", thus incliuding the gentile.

It seems we also need some study of the nature and purpose of water baptism as it is also related to repentance.

God is love
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I will add that Matthew's account of the great commission of Jesus states the commission to be to the "the end of the world"  (  Matt.28:20  ) thus binging today!
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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2010, 02:11:31 PM »

Amen bro. All must repent.
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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2010, 05:59:03 PM »

Hello again Dan

I believe it important to know the it was not by Paul's choice but the will, call and demand of Jesus the Christ that Paul go to the Gentiles.  This must be important because its mentiion thrice in the scripture, Acts 9; 22 and 26.  One place even includes all men.  It was not another gospel but that same gospel he received by revelation from Christ, the one "certirfied."  It is further important to recall that Paul said he preached the same thing in all the churches.

God bless you in your search for the truth,
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« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2010, 07:26:12 PM »

At one time, 2 Gospels were being preached (Galatians 2:7). Paul was prepared to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Peter and the others in an effort to cause the Jews and the Jewish proselytes to recognize that Christ is the Messiah. We see this from his presentation of the Kingdom Gospel in the verses from Acts 17. But, there came a time (Acts 18:6) when Paul no longer attempted to turn the Jews to repentance, but, instead, went to the Gentiles with the Grace Gospel that God had granted him the privilege to be the first to present. Paul was not ashamed of his presentations of the Kingdom Gospel, however, and faithfully recounted them in Acts 26.

 Hi  BillyShope , and we see that in Acts 21:21 it is still Law and Repentance and my OP , of Acts 15:11 , shows how complex it can be for those who do not rightly divide the word .  And Acts 17:30 does not negate my OP ,  DAN P
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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2012, 11:07:20 PM »

Acts 11:13-18 (King James Version)


And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter; 14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved. 15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. 16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. 17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God? 18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.


Hello Dan P

 

Acts 11:18  is just another in a long list of Scriptures showing the need for Gentiles (including yourself) to Repent!

 

 

Ephesians 2:8-9 (King James Version)


. 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith;

and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works,

lest any man should boast. [/b]



Now I am about to share something which might cause you to rethink your Twisted Theology!


 

You are not SAVED BY GRACE!

 

Rather

 

IT IS BY GRACE THAT YOU ARE SAVED!

 

[center]YOU ARE SAVED BY A SAVIOR

AND HIS NAME IS

THE LORD JESUS CHRIST!

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SO HARKEN UNTO HIS WORDS!
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Luke 13:2-5 (King James Version)


3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

 

5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.



JESUS THOUGHT IT IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO SAY IT TWICE!

 

Matthew 7:21-23 (King James Version)


Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

HE THAT HATH EARS TO HEAR,

LET HIM HEAR!

 


Brother Hugh MANN

 

By the way,

Sulphur, (Brimstone) burns in excess of 450 degrees F.

 

HAVE a NICE DAY!

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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2012, 07:39:04 PM »

Act 26:20  But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.



 Hi , and here is why I disagree with the Phrase I disagree with , and it is   "  DO  WORKS  "   meet for Repentance ??

 Rethink it  , "  DO WORKS  " !!!!

 How can dead people in Trespasses in sin ,  "  DO  WORKS  "  ??      1   Cor 2:14  for it is  FOOLISHNESS  to them and the bible is Spiritually  discerned !!

 dan p
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