Paul,
Revelation 4:1 has nothing to do with the Rapture, the Angel was talking to John. Revelation 4:2 John says, ....I was in the spirit..." Paul, who taught you that was the Rapture? That's a real stretch of scripture. Remember---"at the last trump"
Bronze,
John Chapter 2 has nothing to do with the Rapture. An even further stretch.
STILL, not one verse of scriptural evidence to show a pre-trib Rapture.
Score is:
Bible Evidence 40
Pre-trib theory 0
Yours,
Michael
Your not following Johns outline for Revelation are you? No, thats why your mistaken. Revelation 1:19 is the key. Heres the problem. People who seek an easy answer come up with yours. To find the truth requires a working knowledge of ALL scripture. Everything must fit. People like you are looking for a passage or two to prove a doctrine that was a hidden mystery and requires all scripture to work together in harmony.
I don't have time for details now because my son has baseball in a few minutes but I'll be happy to show you the faults of your theory later.
Heres a few questions to get started with:
When do the 2 witnesses of Revelation begin their ministry?
When are they killed?
Heres an outline of the Book of Revelation:
OUTLINE OF REVELATION by Dr. J Vernon McGee of the
Thru the Bible radio broadcasts.
I. The Person of Jesus Christ-Christ in Glory, chapter 1
A. Title of the book, chapter 1:1
B. Method of Revelation, chapter 1:2
C. Beatitude of Bible Study, chapter 1:3
D. Greeting from John the writer and from Jesus Christ
in Heaven, chapter 1:4-8
E. The post-Incarnate Christ in a Glorified Body, Judging
His Church(the Great High Priest in the Holy of Holies),
chapter 1:9-18
F. Time Division of the Contents of Apocalypse,
chapter 1:19
G Interpretation of the Seven stars and Seven
Lampstands, chapter 1:20
II. The Possession of Jesus Christ-The Church in the World,
Chapters 2-3
A. Letter of Christ to the church in Ephesus, Rev. 2:1-7
B. Letter of Christ to the Church in Smyrna, Rev. 2:8-11
C. Letter of Christ to the church in Pergamum,
Rev 2:12-17
D. Letter of Christ to the church in Thyatira, Rev.2:18-29
E. Letter of Christ to the church in Sardis, Rev.3:1-6
F. Letter of Christ to the church in Philadelphia,
Rev.3:7-13
G. Letter of Christ to the church in Laodicea,
Rev.3:14-22
III. The Program of Jesus Christ-The scene in Heaven,
Chapters 4-22
A. The Church in Heaven with Christ Chapters 4-5
1. Throne of God, Rev 4:1-3
2. Twenty-four Elders, Rev. 4:4-5
3. Four Living Creatures, Rev. 4:6-11
4. Book with seven Seals, Rev. 5:1-4
5. Christ: the Lion of the tribe of Judah and the Lamb
which has been Slain, Rev. 5:5-10
6. Myriads of Angels of Heaven Join the Song of Praise
and Redemption, Rev. 5:11-12
7. Universal Worship of the Savior and Sovereign of the
Universe, Rev.5:13-14
B. The Great Tribulation in the World, Chapters 6-18
1. Opening of the Seven-Sealed Book, Chapters 6:8:1
A. Opening of the First Seal, Rev.6:1-2
(Rider on a White Horse)
B. Opening of the Second Seal, Rev. 6:3-4
(Rider on a Red Horse)
C. Opening of the Third Seal, Rev. 6:5-6
(Rider on a Black Horse)
D. Opening of the Fourth Seal, Rev. 6:7-8
(Rider on a Pale Horse)
E. Opening of the Fifth Seal, Rev. 6:9-11
(Prayer of the Martyred Remnant)
F. Opening of the Sixth Seal, Rev. 6:12-17
(Day of Wrath Has Come-Beginning the Last Half
of the Great Tribulation)
G. Interlude, Rev. chapter 7
(1) Reason for the Interlude between the 6th and
7th Seals, Rev. 7:1-3
(2) Remnant of Israel Sealed, Rev. 7:4-8
(3) Redeemed Multitude of Gentiles, Rev. 7:9-17
H. Opening of the Seventh Seal- Introduction of
Seven Trumpets, Rev. 8:1
2. Blowing of the Seven Trumpets, Chapters 8:2-11:19
A. Angel at the Alter with Censer of incense
Rev. 8:2-6
B. First Trumpet-Trees Burnt, Rev.8:7
C. Second Trumpet-Seas Become Blood, Rev.8:8-9
D. Third Trumpet-Fresh Water Becomes Bitter,
Rev. 8:10-11
E. Fourth Trumpet-Sun,Moon,Stars Smitten,
Rev. 8:12-13
F. Fifth Trumpet-Fallen Star and Plague of locust
Rev. 9:1-12
G. Sixth Trumpet-Angels Loosed at Euphrates River,
Rev. 9:13-21
H. Interlude between the Sixth and Seventh Trumpets
Rev. 10:1- 11:14
(1) The Strong Angel with the Little Book, Rev10:1-7
(2) John Eats the Little Book, Rev.10:8-11
(3) Date for the Ending of "the Times of the Gentiles"
Rev. 11:1-2
(4) Duration of the Prophesying of the Two
Witnesses, Rev. 11:3-12
(5) Doom of the Second Woe-Great Earthquake,
Rev. 11:13-14
I. Seventh Trumpet-End of Great Tribulation and
Opening of Temple in Heaven, Rev. 11:15-19
3. Seven Performers During the Great Tribulation
Chapters 12-13
A. The Woman- Israel, Rev.12:1-2
B. The Red Dragon- Satan, Rev. 12:3-4
C. The Child of the Woman- Jesus Christ, Rev. 12:5-6
D. Michael, the Archangel, Wars with the Dragon
Rev. 12:7-12
E. the Dragon persecutes the Women, Rev. 12:13-16
F. Remnant of Israel, Rev. 12:17
G. Wild beast Out of the Sea- a Political Power and
a person, Rev.13:1-10
(1) Wild Beast, Description, Rev.13:1-2
(2) Wild Beast, Death-Dealing Stroke, Rev. 13:3
(3) Wild Beast, Deity Assumed, Rev.13:4-5
(4) Wild Beast, Defying God, Rev. 13:6-8
(5) Wild Beast, Defiance Denied to Anyone,
Rev 13:9-10
H. Wild Beast Out of the Earth- a Religious Leader,
Rev.13:11-18
(1) Wild Beast, Description, Rev.13:11
(2) Wild Beast, Delegated Authority, Rev. 13:12-14
(3) Wild Beast, Delusion Perpetrated on the World,
Rev. 13:15-17
(4) Wild Beast, Designation, Rev. 13:18
4. Looking to the end of the Great Tribulation, Chapter 14
A. Picture of the Lamb with the 144,000, Rev.14:1-5
B. Proclamation of the Everlasting Gospel, Rev 14:6-7
C. Pronouncement of Judgement on Babylon, Rev. 14:8
D. Pronouncement of Judgement on Those Who
Received the Mark of the Beast, Rev. 14:9-12
E. Praise for Those Who Die in the Lord, Rev. 14:13
F. Preview of Armageddon, Rev. 14:14-20
5. Pouring Out of the Seven Bowls of Wrath,
Chapters 15-16
A. Preparation for Final Judgement of the Great
Tribulation, Rev. 15:1-16:1
(1) Tribulation Saints in Heaven Worship God,
Rev.15:1-4
(2) Temple of the Tabernacle Opened in Heaven that
Seven Angels, Having Seven Golden Bowls, Might
proceed Forth, Rev.15:5-16:1
B. Pouring Out of the First Bowl, Rev.16:2
(Painful Sores for all who took the mark of the Beast)
C. Pouring Out of the Second Bowl, Rev. 16:3
(Every Living Thing in the Sea Dies)
D. Pouring Out of the Third Bowl, Rev. 16:4-7
(All Drinking Water turns to Blood)
E. Pouring Out of the Fourth Bowl, Rev. 16:8-9
(Sun Scorches people)
F. Pouring Out of the Fifth Bowl, Rev. 16:10-11
(Darkness on throne of the Beast)
G. Pouring Out of the Sixth Bowl, Rev. 16:12
(Euphrates River Dries Up to Prepare way for kings
of the East)
H. Interlude: Kings of Inhabited Earth Proceed to
Har-Mageddon, Rev. 16:13-16
I. Pouring Out of the Seventh Bowl, Rev. 16:17-21
6. The Two Babylons Judged, Chapters 17-18
A. The Apostate Church in the Great Tribulation
Chapter 17
(1) Great Harlot Riding the Wild Beast, Rev. 17:1-7
(2) Wild Beast Destroys the Great Harlot, Rev. 17:8-18
B. Political and Commercial Babylon Judged, Chapter 18
(1) Announcement of Fall of Commercial and
political Babylon, Rev. 18:1-8
(2) Anguish in the World Because of Judgement on
Babylon, Rev. 18:9-19
(3) Anticipation of Joy in Heaven Because of Babylons
Judgement, Rev. 18:20-24
C. Marriage of the Lamb and Return of Christ in
Judgement, Chapter 19
1. Four Hallelujahs, Rev. 19:1-6
2. Bride of the Lamb and Marriage Supper,
Rev. 19:7-10
3. Return of Christ as King of Kings, Lord of Lords,
Rev. 19:11-16
4. Battle of Armageddon, Rev.19:17-18
5. Hell Opened, Rev. 19:19-21
D. Millennium, Chapter 20
1. Satan Bound for 1,000 Years, Rev.20:1-3
2. Saints of the Great Tribulation Reign with Christ
1,000 years, Rev. 20:4-6
3. Satan Loosed After 1,000 Years, Rev.20:7-9
4. Satan Cast into Lake of Fire and Brimstone,
Rev. 20:10
5. Setting of Great White Throne Where Lost Are
Judged and Follow Satan into Lake of Fire,
Rev. 20:11-15
E. Entrance Into Eternity; Eternity Unveiled,
Chapters 21-22
1. New Heaven, New Earth, New Jerusalem, Rev 21:1-2
2. New Era, Rev. 21:3-8
3. New Jerusalem, Description of the eternal Abode of
the Bride, Rev. 21:9-21
4. New Relationship-God Dwelling With Man,
Rev. 21:22-23
5. New Center of the New Creation, Rev. 21:24-27
6. River of Water of Life and Tree of Life, Rev. 22:1-5
7. Promise of Return of Christ, Rev. 22:6-16
8. Final Invitation and Warning, Rev. 22:17-19
9. Final Promise and Prayer, Rev. 22:20-21
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