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« on: May 15, 2009, 06:07:33 PM »

Hi to all , and many of  mainline Christians , believe that Paul preached the same message as the 12 disciples , and I say , NO.

1) In Acts 9:15 , we see 3 fold prong message that Paul preached.

# 1 , preached to the Gentiles .
# 2 , preached to Kings .
# 3 , preached to the children of Israel

2) And this he did do .


3) We can all see that the Context of Acts is mainly Jewish , except when it comes to Paul and his commission .

4) We see that in Acts 21:20 , the Context is still Jewish , where James and the elders are talking to Paul and James says to Paul  in v20 , Thou seest , brother , how many thousands of Jews there are who believe , and they are ALL  Zealous  of the Law of Moses .

5) And in v21 , we have what many did not know was in the Bible , and than try to deny and twist , what is written .

6)Then James is talking to Paul ,  And they are INFORMED of thee , that thou TEACHEST  all of the Jews which are AMONG the Gentiles  to FORSAKE  Moses , saying that they OUGHT  not to CIRCUMCISE their children  , NEITHER to walk after the Jewish  CUSTOMS .

7)  #1 , we have Paul preaching to Gentiles .

     #2 , we see Paul telling the Jews to forsake Moses

     #3 , telling them NOT to Circumcise

     #4 , forsake Jewish customs

Cool So we see Paul doing his commission and after Acts 13:46 and Acts 18:6 and Acts 28:28 , Paul fully turns to the Gentiles





























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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2009, 09:52:58 PM »

This person is speaking of Stephen who was currently before the council and in the teachings of Jesus in V14.


Act 6:11  Then they suborned men, which said, We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses, and against God.
Act 6:12  And they stirred up the people, and the elders, and the scribes, and came upon him, and caught him, and brought him to the council,
Act 6:13  And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law:
Act 6:14  For we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth shall destroy this place, and shall change the customs which Moses delivered us.


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7)  #1 , we have Paul preaching to Gentiles .

     #2 , we see Paul telling the Jews to forsake Moses

     #3 , telling them NOT to Circumcise

     #4 , forsake Jewish customs

I don't see any difference here. Nor is there a difference in the following:

Mar 16:15  And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Act 15:7  And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Act 15:8  And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Act 15:9  And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10  Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Act 15:11  But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Rom 10:12  For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2009, 05:54:43 AM »

Hello..Greetings my Brothers and Sisters,

It is wonderful to reflect on the early church.  It brings to mind zeal and boldness.  To think of Peter preaching and thousands coming to the Lord..Paul reaching the gentiles.  Not one thought to say it is not my gift to evangelize for they knew the urgency of the command.  How great it is to know the command is for today and the same zeal and boldness is for today.  The early church knew the cost of being a christian and yet they went on even to death.  There were no special singers nor christian celebrities but there were men and women who walked in the spirit and God gave them the power through Jesus Christ His Son.  These early christians paved the way for us today to follow the Lord with zeal and boldness to proclaim the gospel everywhere.  They gathered together in the Name of Jesus and many were healed and saved.  Praise God it is for today!
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« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2009, 12:21:59 PM »

Bella;
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Acts is a book of transition.  You are correct in that the first part of the book the teachings were primarily to the Jew.  But in the later part everyone and everything was moved to the Gentile.  Even Peter preached to the gentiles, he even had a specific trip to a Gentile. 
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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2009, 01:48:24 PM »

Hello Bella,

I see that you're new, so WELCOME!


I hope that you enjoy Christians Unite, and I look forward to having fellowship with you.

Love In Christ,
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Ezekiel 38:14-23 ASV   14  Therefore, son of man, prophesy, and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: In that day when my people Israel dwelleth securely, shalt thou not know it?  15  And thou shalt come from thy place out of the uttermost parts of the north, thou, and many peoples with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company and a mighty army;  16  and thou shalt come up against my people Israel, as a cloud to cover the land: it shall come to pass in the latter days, that I will bring thee against my land, that the nations may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.  17  Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Art thou he of whom I spake in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, that prophesied in those days for many years that I would bring thee against them?  18  And it shall come to pass in that day, when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord Jehovah, that my wrath shall come up into my nostrils.  19  For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;  20  so that the fishes of the sea, and the birds of the heavens, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.  21  And I will call for a sword against him unto all my mountains, saith the Lord Jehovah: every man's sword shall be against his brother.  22  And with pestilence and with blood will I enter into judgment with him; and I will rain upon him, and upon his hordes, and upon the many peoples that are with him, an overflowing shower, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.  23  And I will magnify myself, and sanctify myself, and I will make myself known in the eyes of many nations; and they shall know that I am Jehovah.

Ezekiel 39:1-7 ASV   1  And thou, son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal:  2  and I will turn thee about, and will lead thee on, and will cause thee to come up from the uttermost parts of the north; and I will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel;  3  and I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.  4  Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy hordes, and the peoples that are with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.  5  Thou shalt fall upon the open field; for I have spoken it, saith the Lord Jehovah.  6  And I will send a fire on Magog, and on them that dwell securely in the isles; and they shall know that I am Jehovah.  7  And my holy name will I make known in the midst of my people Israel; neither will I suffer my holy name to be profaned any more: and the nations shall know that I am Jehovah, the Holy One in Israel.

Ezekiel 39:17-29 ASV   17  And thou, son of man, thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Speak unto the birds of every sort, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh and drink blood.  18  Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.  19  And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.  20  And ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord Jehovah.  21  And I will set my glory among the nations; and all the nations shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.  22  So the house of Israel shall know that I am Jehovah their God, from that day and forward.  23  And the nations shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity; because they trespassed against me, and I hid my face from them: so I gave them into the hand of their adversaries, and they fell all of them by the sword.  24  According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions did I unto them; and I hid my face from them.  25  Therefore thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Now will I bring back the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel; and I will be jealous for my holy name.  26  And they shall bear their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they shall dwell securely in their land, and none shall make them afraid;  27  when I have brought them back from the peoples, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations.  28  And they shall know that I am Jehovah their God, in that I caused them to go into captivity among the nations, and have gathered them unto their own land; and I will leave none of them any more there;  29  neither will I hide my face any more from them; for I have poured out my Spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord Jehovah.

Isaiah 2:1-5 ASV   1  The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.  2  And it shall come to pass in the latter days, that the mountain of Jehovah's house shall be established on the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.  3  And many peoples shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of Jehovah from Jerusalem.  4  And he will judge between the nations, and will decide concerning many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning-hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.  5  O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of Jehovah.

Isaiah 9:2-7 ASV   2  The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwelt in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.  3  Thou hast multiplied the nation, thou hast increased their joy: they joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, as men rejoice when they divide the spoil.  4  For the yoke of his burden, and the staff of his shoulder, the rod of his oppressor, thou hast broken as in the day of Midian.  5  For all the armor of the armed man in the tumult, and the garments rolled in blood, shall be for burning, for fuel of fire.  6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.  7  Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of Jehovah of hosts will perform this.

Isaiah 65:17-25 ASV   17  For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.  18  But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create; for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.  19  And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people; and there shall be heard in her no more the voice of weeping and the voice of crying.  20  There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days; for the child shall die a hundred years old, and the sinner being a hundred years old shall be accursed.  21  And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.  22  They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree shall be the days of my people, and my chosen shall long enjoy the work of their hands.  23  They shall not labor in vain, nor bring forth for calamity; for they are the seed of the blessed of Jehovah, and their offspring with them.  24  And it shall come to pass that, before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.  25  The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the ox; and dust shall be the serpent's food. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith Jehovah.
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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2010, 09:00:48 PM »

Bella;
AMEN

Dan
Acts is a book of transition.  You are correct in that the first part of the book the teachings were primarily to the Jew.  But in the later part everyone and everything was moved to the Gentile.  Even Peter preached to the gentiles, he even had a specific trip to a Gentile. 

 Hi Jerry , and I agree , and all should also notice that after Acts 15 , Peter is never more heard from  but they were still keeping the Law as Acts 21:20 reveals . 

 But this also shows that Paul preached against the Law of Moses and that means that there are more than one Gospel , what say you ??
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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2010, 09:59:34 AM »

Have you really read Acts 21?  You do realize that Paul is before the Jewish people here, and later before the Jewish Council.  It is not the disciples or anything of that nature....he went back and was talking to the very same people that sent him out to persecute the Christians.
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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2010, 01:38:18 PM »

Have you really read Acts 21?  You do realize that Paul is before the Jewish people here, and later before the Jewish Council.  It is not the disciples or anything of that nature....he went back and was talking to the very same people that sent him out to persecute the Christians.

 Hi Brother Jerry , and Acts 21:21 is clearly revealed that Paul was teaching the Jew among the Gentiles to  FORSAKE   Moses !
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