He that shall endure to the end...

[Petro]

Hello Petro,


Let me clarify my comments on Matthew 24 and 25.  Jesus was talking TO the Jews about the Jews in the end time.  No where did I make the statement that THE CONTENTS OF MATTHEW 24 and 25 was ONLY for the Jews.  The tribulations are for anyone who is left on this earth, and Matthew 24 and 25 address the tribulation period.  

You made the assumption that leads to your question...... just as you made this assumption...

If your comments, opiniuon or whatever would have been clearer, there would be no need to assumptions.

Who are the elect, that was my question?

Obviously your read is that those who are given white robes at Rev 6 and 7, who come through the great tribulation, are only Jews.

First of all, when I want to know what I think,


~serapha~

Only by defining who the elect are.  It seems to me if you make a statement, in a discussion like this you should connect your thoughts and show how you arrived at what you concluded.

Walking away upset doesn't answer the question, no more than side stepping it does, either.

BTW, You need to read posts a little closer, I wasn't telling you what you think, it is your undertsanding of the passage that I questioned, I already knew what you thought, by your first answer.

Who are the elect??  Thats all I am interested in knowing.

Oh Well....


Petro

[Fewarechosen7F]

Hello Sower,
Everything else that you have said here is right on the mark.
But I must disagree that "It has nothing to do with our "perseverance" or "endurance" or any such thing."
It has EVERYTHING to do with our perseverance and endurance. Because without his having given to us the grace to persevere and endure, we would have been unable to so.

In Christ,

[Sower]

Hello Sower,
Everything else that you have said here is right on the mark.
But I must disagree that "It has nothing to do with our "perseverance" or "endurance" or any such thing."
It has EVERYTHING to do with our perseverance and endurance. Because without his having given to us the grace to persevere and endure, we would have been unable to so.

In Christ,

Perhaps that should be reworded, so that we are both of one mind: "It has nothing to do with OUR preservance, but has everything to do with HIS GRACE".   However, salvation -- the gift of eternal life -- is NOT a matter of "perserverance" but it is purely A GIFT of God's grace. And that was my point.

[Fewarechosen7F]

Thanks,   that's better.   agreed!

Perhaps that should be reworded, so that we are both of one mind: "It has nothing to do with OUR preservance, but has everything to do with HIS GRACE".   However, salvation -- the gift of eternal life -- is NOT a matter of "perserverance" but it is purely A GIFT of God's grace. And that was my point.

[Petro]

That, perseverance is by Grace, cannot be argued, however it is the perseverance of the Holy Spirit, which accomplishes the end result; in spite of ourselves.

Notice;

Phil 1
3  I thank my God upon every remembrance of you,
4  Always in every prayer of mine for you all making request with joy,
5  For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now;
6  Being confident of this very thing, that He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

The Holy Spirit's perseverance will accomplish the work He began in every child of God, that no flesh glorify in itself.

Amen,

Petro