Am I the only one....

[Mr. 5020]

Am I the only one that thinks that calling the RCC the first church that was started by Jesus is utterly retarded?[/size]

[Tibby]

CHristian was the first and only Chuch Started by Jesus. The RCC/Eastern Ortho is the only church that can claim roots directly from this, and back it up.

[Mr. 5020]

CHristian was the first and only Chuch Started by Jesus. The RCC/Eastern Ortho is the only church that can claim roots directly from this, and back it up.

You need to read The Trail of Blood.[/size]

[ollie]

Am I the only one that thinks that calling the RCC the first church that was started by Jesus is utterly retarded?[/size]

The church of Jesus Christ had its first congregates in Jerusalem, See Act:2.
The church at Rome did not have anymore self importance than the church at Corinth or Phillippi or any of the other congregations of God's people.
 Politics and worldliness befell the church at Rome in its struggle for worldly power against the truth of Jesus Christ.

[avemaria]

is utterly retarded?

First of all, try using some words that may not potentially be offensive to those people reading that may have sisters/brothers/family members and/or friends who may be physically or mentally retarded.

Do christians talk like that?  I didn't think so; at least until I came here (no, I take that back, the Pastors I talk with via email are just as bad - if not worse...go figure.)

[avemaria]

I think the question that was so *tactlessly* asked was Am I the only one that thinks that calling the RCC the first church that was started by Jesus is utterly retarded?

If I might demonstrate for you:
* St. Peter (32-67), Matthew 16:18
* St. Linus (67-76), 2Timothy 4:21
* St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88)
* St. Clement I (88-97), Philippians 4:3
* St. Evaristus (97-105)
* St. Alexander I (105-115)
* St. Sixtus I (115-125)
* St. Telesphorus (125-136)
* St. Hyginus (136-140)
* St. Pius I (140-155)
* St. Anicetus (155-166)
* St. Soter (166-175)
* St. Eleutherius (175-189)
* St. Victor I (189-199)
* St. Zephyrinus (199-217)
* St. Callistus I (217-22)
* St. Urban I (222-30)
* St. Pontain (230-35)
* St. Anterus (235-36)
* St. Fabian (236-50)
* St. Cornelius (251-53)
* St. Lucius I (253-54)
* St. Stephen I (254-257)
* St. Sixtus II (257-258)
* St. Dionysius (260-268)
* St. Felix I (269-274)
* St. Eutychian (275-283)
* St. Caius (283-296)
* St. Marcellinus (296-304)
* St. Marcellus I (308-309)
* St. Eusebius (April-August 309 or 310)
* St. Miltiades (311-14)
* St. Sylvester I (314-35)
* St. Marcus (January-October 336)
* St. Julius I (337-52)
* Liberius (352-66)
* St. Damasus I (366-83)
* St. Siricius (384-99)
* St. Anastasius I (399-401)
* St. Innocent I (401-17)
* St. Zosimus (417-18)
* St. Boniface I (418-22)
* St. Celestine I (422-32)
* St. Sixtus III (432-40)
* St. Leo I (the Great) (440-61)
* St. Hilarius (461-68)
* St. Simplicius (468-83)
* St. Felix III (II) (483-92)
* St. Gelasius I (492-96)
* Anastasius II (496-98)
* St. Symmachus (498-514)
* St. Hormisdas (514-23)
* St. John I (523-26)
* St. Felix IV (III) (526-30)
* Boniface II (530-32)
* John II (533-35)
* St. Agapetus I (535-36)
* St. Silverius (536-37)
* Vigilius (537-55)
* Pelagius I (556-61)
* John III (561-74)
* Benedict I (575-79)
* Pelagius II (579-90)
* St. Gregory I (the Great) (590-604)
* Sabinian (604-606)
* Boniface III (February-November 607)
* St. Boniface IV (608-15)
* St. Deusdedit (Adeodatus I) (615-18)
* Boniface V (619-25)
* Honorius I (625-38)
* Severinus (May-August 640)
* John IV (640-42)
* Theodore I (642-49)
* St. Martin I (649-55)
* St. Eugene I (655-57)
* St. Vitalian (657-72)
* Adeodatus (II) (672-76)
* Donus (676-78)
* St. Agatho (678-81)
* St. Leo II (682-83)
* St. Benedict II (684-85)
* John V (685-86)
* Conon (686-87)
* St. Sergius I (687-701)
* John VI (701-05)
* John VII (705-07)
* Sisinnius (January-February 708)
* Constantine (708-15)
* St. Gregory II (715-31)
* St. Gregory III (731-41)
* St. Zachary (741-52)
* Stephen II (March 752)
* Stephen III (752-57)
* St. Paul I (757-67)
* Stephen IV (767-72)
* Adrian I (772-95)
* St. Leo III (795-816)
* Stephen V (816-17)
* St. Paschal I (817-24)
* Eugene II (824-27)
* Valentine (August-September 827)
* Gregory IV (827-44)
* Sergius II (844-47)
* St. Leo IV (847-55)
* Benedict III (855-58)
* St. Nicholas I (the Great) (858-67)
* Adrian II (867-72)
* John VIII (872-82)
* Marinus I (882-84)
* St. Adrian III (884-85)
* Stephen VI (885-91)
* Formosus (891-96)
* Boniface VI (April 896)
* Stephen VII (896-97)
* Romanus (August-November 897)
* Theodore II (November-December 897)
* John IX (898-900)
* Benedict IV (900-03)
* Leo V (July-December 903)
* Sergius III (904-11)
* Anastasius III (911-13)
* Lando (913-14)
* John X (914-28)
* Leo VI (May-December 928)
* Stephen VIII (929-31)
* John XI (931-35)
* Leo VII (936-39)
* Stephen IX (939-42)
* Marinus II (942-46)
* Agapetus II (946-55)
* John XII (955-63)
* Leo VIII (963-64)
* Benedict V (May-June 964)
* John XIII (965-72)
* Benedict VI (973-74)
* Benedict VII (974-83)
* John XIV (983-84)
* John XV (985-96)
* Gregory V (996-99)
* Sylvester II (999-1003)
* John XVII (June-December 1003)
* John XVIII (1003-09)
* Sergius IV (1009-12)
* Benedict VIII (1012-24)
* John XIX (1024-32)
* Benedict IX (1032-45)
* Sylvester III (January-March 1045)
* Benedict IX (April-May 1045)
* Gregory VI (1045-46)
* Clement II (1046-47)
* Benedict IX (1047-48)
* Damasus II (July-August 1048)
* St. Leo IX (1049-54)
* Victor II (1055-57)
* Stephen X (1057-58)
* Nicholas II (1058-61)
* Alexander II (1061-73)
* St. Gregory VII (1073-85)
* Blessed Victor III (1086-87)
* Blessed Urban II (1088-99)
* Paschal II (1099-1118)
* Gelasius II (1118-19)
* Callistus II (1119-24)
* Honorius II (1124-30)
* Innocent II (1130-43)
* Celestine II (1143-44)
* Lucius II (1144-45)
* Blessed Eugene III (1145-53)
* Anastasius IV (1153-54)
* Adrian IV (1154-59)
* Alexander III (1159-81)
* Lucius III (1181-85)
* Urban III (1185-87)
* Gregory VIII (1187)
* Clement III (1187-91)
* Celestine III (1191-98)
* Innocent III (1198-1216)
* Honorius III (1216-27)
* Gregory IX (1227-41)
* Celestine IV (October-November 1241)
* Innocent IV (1243-54)
* Alexander IV (1254-61)
* Urban IV (1261-64)
* Clement IV (1265-68)
* Blessed Gregory X (1271-76)
* Blessed Innocent V (January-June 1276)
* Adrian V (July-August 1276)
* John XXI (1276-77)
* Nicholas III (1277-80)
* Martin IV (1281-85)
* Honorius IV (1285-87)
* Nicholas IV (1288-92)
* St. Celestine V (July-December 1294)
* Boniface VIII (1294-1303)
* Blessed Benedict XI (1303-04)
* Clement V (1305-14)
* John XXII (1316-34)
* Benedict XII (1334-42)
* Clement VI (1342-52)
* Innocent VI (1352-62)
* Blessed Urban V (1362-70)
* Gregory XI (1370-78)
* Urban VI (1378-89)
* Boniface IX (1389-1404)
* Innocent VII (1406-06)
* Gregory XII (1406-15)
* Martin V (1417-31)
* Eugene IV (1431-47)
* Nicholas V (1447-55)
* Callistus III (1445-58)
* Pius II (1458-64)
* Paul II (1464-71)
* Sixtus IV (1471-84)
* Innocent VIII (1484-92)
* Alexander VI (1492-1503)
* Pius III (September-October 1503)
* Julius II (1503-13)
* Leo X (1513-21)
* Adrian VI (1522-23)
* Clement VII (1523-34)
* Paul III (1534-49)
* Julius III (1550-55)
* Marcellus II (April 1555)
* Paul IV (1555-59)
* Pius IV (1559-65)
* St. Pius V (1566-72)
* Gregory XIII (1572-85)
* Sixtus V (1585-90)
* Urban VII (September 1590)
* Gregory XIV (1590-91)
* Innocent IX (October-November 1591)
* Clement VIII (1592-1605)
* Leo XI (April 1605)
* Paul V (1605-21)
* Gregory XV (1621-23)
* Urban VIII (1623-44)
* Innocent X (1644-55)
* Alexander VII (1655-67)
* Clement IX (1667-69)
* Clement X (1670-76)
* Blessed Innocent XI (1676-89)
* Alexander VIII (1689-91)
* Innocent XII (1691-1700)
* Clement XI (1700-21)
* Innocent XIII (1721-24)
* Benedict XIII (1724-30)
* Clement XII (1730-40)
* Benedict XIV (1740-58)
* Clement XIII (1758-69)
* Clement XIV (1769-74)
* Pius VI (1775-99)
* Pius VII (1800-23)
* Leo XII (1823-29)
* Pius VIII (1829-30)
* Gregory XVI (1831-46)
* Bl. Pius IX (1846-78)
* Leo XIII (1878-1903)
* St. Pius X (1903-14)
* Benedict XV (1914-22)
* Pius XI (1922-39)
* Pius XII (1939-58)
* Bl. John XXIII (1958-63)
* Paul VI (1963-78)
* John Paul I (August-September 1978)
* John Paul II (1978-)

How far can you trace your "Protestant denomination" back?  I will venture to say, not so far.

[ollie]

CHristian was the first and only Chuch Started by Jesus. The RCC/Eastern Ortho is the only church that can claim roots directly from this, and back it up.

Not true.
Christ's church is the only one that has as its head Jesus Christ and the only one that goes all the way back to Jesus Christ Himself. All who are obedient to the gospel of Jesus Christ, (the saved), are added to it.

This has nothing to do with Rome, Constantinople, etc.. It is Christ's church and he governs it from heaven through God's word. The very word that God, in His providence through the Holy Spirit, preserved with the help of this fallen away church in Rome. The church that did not adhere to the very printed word of God that they had a hand in giving to the world.

[ollie]

I think the question that was so *tactlessly* asked was Am I the only one that thinks that calling the RCC the first church that was started by Jesus is utterly retarded?

If I might demonstrate for you:
* St. Peter (32-67), Matthew 16:18
* St. Linus (67-76), 2Timothy 4:21
* St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88)
* St. Clement I (88-97), Philippians 4:3
* St. Evaristus (97-105)
* St. Alexander I (105-115)
* St. Sixtus I (115-125)
* St. Telesphorus (125-136)
* St. Hyginus (136-140)
* St. Pius I (140-155)
* St. Anicetus (155-166)
* St. Soter (166-175)
* St. Eleutherius (175-189)
* St. Victor I (189-199)
* St. Zephyrinus (199-217)
* St. Callistus I (217-22)
* St. Urban I (222-30)
* St. Pontain (230-35)
* St. Anterus (235-36)
* St. Fabian (236-50)
* St. Cornelius (251-53)
* St. Lucius I (253-54)
* St. Stephen I (254-257)
* St. Sixtus II (257-258)
* St. Dionysius (260-268)
* St. Felix I (269-274)
* St. Eutychian (275-283)
* St. Caius (283-296)
* St. Marcellinus (296-304)
* St. Marcellus I (308-309)
* St. Eusebius (April-August 309 or 310)
* St. Miltiades (311-14)
* St. Sylvester I (314-35)
* St. Marcus (January-October 336)
* St. Julius I (337-52)
* Liberius (352-66)
* St. Damasus I (366-83)
* St. Siricius (384-99)
* St. Anastasius I (399-401)
* St. Innocent I (401-17)
* St. Zosimus (417-18)
* St. Boniface I (418-22)
* St. Celestine I (422-32)
* St. Sixtus III (432-40)
* St. Leo I (the Great) (440-61)
* St. Hilarius (461-68)
* St. Simplicius (468-83)
* St. Felix III (II) (483-92)
* St. Gelasius I (492-96)
* Anastasius II (496-98)
* St. Symmachus (498-514)
* St. Hormisdas (514-23)
* St. John I (523-26)
* St. Felix IV (III) (526-30)
* Boniface II (530-32)
* John II (533-35)
* St. Agapetus I (535-36)
* St. Silverius (536-37)
* Vigilius (537-55)
* Pelagius I (556-61)
* John III (561-74)
* Benedict I (575-79)
* Pelagius II (579-90)
* St. Gregory I (the Great) (590-604)
* Sabinian (604-606)
* Boniface III (February-November 607)
* St. Boniface IV (608-15)
* St. Deusdedit (Adeodatus I) (615-18)
* Boniface V (619-25)
* Honorius I (625-38)
* Severinus (May-August 640)
* John IV (640-42)
* Theodore I (642-49)
* St. Martin I (649-55)
* St. Eugene I (655-57)
* St. Vitalian (657-72)
* Adeodatus (II) (672-76)
* Donus (676-78)
* St. Agatho (678-81)
* St. Leo II (682-83)
* St. Benedict II (684-85)
* John V (685-86)
* Conon (686-87)
* St. Sergius I (687-701)
* John VI (701-05)
* John VII (705-07)
* Sisinnius (January-February 708)
* Constantine (708-15)
* St. Gregory II (715-31)
* St. Gregory III (731-41)
* St. Zachary (741-52)
* Stephen II (March 752)
* Stephen III (752-57)
* St. Paul I (757-67)
* Stephen IV (767-72)
* Adrian I (772-95)
* St. Leo III (795-816)
* Stephen V (816-17)
* St. Paschal I (817-24)
* Eugene II (824-27)
* Valentine (August-September 827)
* Gregory IV (827-44)
* Sergius II (844-47)
* St. Leo IV (847-55)
* Benedict III (855-58)
* St. Nicholas I (the Great) (858-67)
* Adrian II (867-72)
* John VIII (872-82)
* Marinus I (882-84)
* St. Adrian III (884-85)
* Stephen VI (885-91)
* Formosus (891-96)
* Boniface VI (April 896)
* Stephen VII (896-97)
* Romanus (August-November 897)
* Theodore II (November-December 897)
* John IX (898-900)
* Benedict IV (900-03)
* Leo V (July-December 903)
* Sergius III (904-11)
* Anastasius III (911-13)
* Lando (913-14)
* John X (914-28)
* Leo VI (May-December 928)
* Stephen VIII (929-31)
* John XI (931-35)
* Leo VII (936-39)
* Stephen IX (939-42)
* Marinus II (942-46)
* Agapetus II (946-55)
* John XII (955-63)
* Leo VIII (963-64)
* Benedict V (May-June 964)
* John XIII (965-72)
* Benedict VI (973-74)
* Benedict VII (974-83)
* John XIV (983-84)
* John XV (985-96)
* Gregory V (996-99)
* Sylvester II (999-1003)
* John XVII (June-December 1003)
* John XVIII (1003-09)
* Sergius IV (1009-12)
* Benedict VIII (1012-24)
* John XIX (1024-32)
* Benedict IX (1032-45)
* Sylvester III (January-March 1045)
* Benedict IX (April-May 1045)
* Gregory VI (1045-46)
* Clement II (1046-47)
* Benedict IX (1047-48)
* Damasus II (July-August 1048)
* St. Leo IX (1049-54)
* Victor II (1055-57)
* Stephen X (1057-58)
* Nicholas II (1058-61)
* Alexander II (1061-73)
* St. Gregory VII (1073-85)
* Blessed Victor III (1086-87)
* Blessed Urban II (1088-99)
* Paschal II (1099-1118)
* Gelasius II (1118-19)
* Callistus II (1119-24)
* Honorius II (1124-30)
* Innocent II (1130-43)
* Celestine II (1143-44)
* Lucius II (1144-45)
* Blessed Eugene III (1145-53)
* Anastasius IV (1153-54)
* Adrian IV (1154-59)
* Alexander III (1159-81)
* Lucius III (1181-85)
* Urban III (1185-87)
* Gregory VIII (1187)
* Clement III (1187-91)
* Celestine III (1191-98)
* Innocent III (1198-1216)
* Honorius III (1216-27)
* Gregory IX (1227-41)
* Celestine IV (October-November 1241)
* Innocent IV (1243-54)
* Alexander IV (1254-61)
* Urban IV (1261-64)
* Clement IV (1265-68)
* Blessed Gregory X (1271-76)
* Blessed Innocent V (January-June 1276)
* Adrian V (July-August 1276)
* John XXI (1276-77)
* Nicholas III (1277-80)
* Martin IV (1281-85)
* Honorius IV (1285-87)
* Nicholas IV (1288-92)
* St. Celestine V (July-December 1294)
* Boniface VIII (1294-1303)
* Blessed Benedict XI (1303-04)
* Clement V (1305-14)
* John XXII (1316-34)
* Benedict XII (1334-42)
* Clement VI (1342-52)
* Innocent VI (1352-62)
* Blessed Urban V (1362-70)
* Gregory XI (1370-78)
* Urban VI (1378-89)
* Boniface IX (1389-1404)
* Innocent VII (1406-06)
* Gregory XII (1406-15)
* Martin V (1417-31)
* Eugene IV (1431-47)
* Nicholas V (1447-55)
* Callistus III (1445-58)
* Pius II (1458-64)
* Paul II (1464-71)
* Sixtus IV (1471-84)
* Innocent VIII (1484-92)
* Alexander VI (1492-1503)
* Pius III (September-October 1503)
* Julius II (1503-13)
* Leo X (1513-21)
* Adrian VI (1522-23)
* Clement VII (1523-34)
* Paul III (1534-49)
* Julius III (1550-55)
* Marcellus II (April 1555)
* Paul IV (1555-59)
* Pius IV (1559-65)
* St. Pius V (1566-72)
* Gregory XIII (1572-85)
* Sixtus V (1585-90)
* Urban VII (September 1590)
* Gregory XIV (1590-91)
* Innocent IX (October-November 1591)
* Clement VIII (1592-1605)
* Leo XI (April 1605)
* Paul V (1605-21)
* Gregory XV (1621-23)
* Urban VIII (1623-44)
* Innocent X (1644-55)
* Alexander VII (1655-67)
* Clement IX (1667-69)
* Clement X (1670-76)
* Blessed Innocent XI (1676-89)
* Alexander VIII (1689-91)
* Innocent XII (1691-1700)
* Clement XI (1700-21)
* Innocent XIII (1721-24)
* Benedict XIII (1724-30)
* Clement XII (1730-40)
* Benedict XIV (1740-58)
* Clement XIII (1758-69)
* Clement XIV (1769-74)
* Pius VI (1775-99)
* Pius VII (1800-23)
* Leo XII (1823-29)
* Pius VIII (1829-30)
* Gregory XVI (1831-46)
* Bl. Pius IX (1846-78)
* Leo XIII (1878-1903)
* St. Pius X (1903-14)
* Benedict XV (1914-22)
* Pius XI (1922-39)
* Pius XII (1939-58)
* Bl. John XXIII (1958-63)
* Paul VI (1963-78)
* John Paul I (August-September 1978)
* John Paul II (1978-)

How far can you trace your "Protestant denomination" back?  I will venture to say, not so far.

What made these Bishops at Rome more important than the Bishops of God's other congregations?

Peter in his humbleness would scoff at such respect of persons and setting them above the others of God's holy people.

[Mr. 5020]

is utterly retarded?

First of all, try using some words that may not potentially be offensive to those people reading that may have sisters/brothers/family members and/or friends who may be physically or mentally retarded.

Do christians talk like that?  I didn't think so; at least until I came here (no, I take that back, the Pastors I talk with via email are just as bad - if not worse...go figure.)

Oh, please![/size]

[Petro]

And here I thought, Emporer Theoudosius began the state religion known as the Roman Catholic church around 390 AD prohibiting pagan religions by edict and penalty of death.

Petro